NY Fraud Case Will End Trump

[Rebound]

20 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Sure kid. you didn't say he was 'guilty' either right?  It's amazing how you lefties forget what you've said the moment someone proves you wrong

So let me sum it up for you seeing as your memory is so bad.  This isn't going to ruin trump at all. He'll get a small slap and that's it. He's not going out of business, he's not going to jail, he's not 'guilty' of anything, this was a witch hunt and they'll be forced to back down just as colorado is.  Sorry that the facts don't match with your fiction,.

The difference between you and me is that you deal in make-believe and I deal in fact.

FACT: Trump has already been found liable in the New York Civil Fraud Trial.

MAKE-BELIEVE: An appeals court will overturn the verdict.

FACT: The judgement handed down to Trump will range between $150 and $750 million.

MAKE-BELIEVE: That amount will be reduced to a few million. 

FACT: A judgement of $500 million will end Trump.

MAKE-BELIEVE: Donald Trump has $500 million in cash to dole out.

FACT: Donald Trump’s businesses in New York have already been ordered dissolved.

MAKE-BELIEVE: They will become somehow un-dissolved.

Edited January 4, 2024 by Rebound

[CdnFox]

9 minutes ago, Rebound said:

The difference between you and me is that you deal in make-believe and I deal in fact.

The irony there is that's make believe on your part, the faacts are quite differrnt
 

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FACT: Trump has already been found liable in the New York Civil Fraud Trial.

MAKE-BELIEVE: An appeals court will overturn the verdict.

 

Absolutely  - appeals courts don't exist,  i just made that up entirely

What's make believe is  that you pretended he had been FOUND GUILTY!!!!!  - claiming that's the same thing as incurring a liability

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FACT: The judgement handed down to Trump will range between $150 and $750 million.

MAKE-BELIEVE: That amount will be reduced to a few million. 

 

Actually - what's make believe is that i ever claimed it would or would not be either amount.

But sorry - after appeals it's not likely to be 250 million if it even comes in that high.

 

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FACT: A judgement of $500 million will end Trump.

MAKE-BELIEVE: Donald Trump has $500 million in cash to dole out.

 

Not even close.  Sorry.  You seem to feel that he'll have to write a cheque the day the judgement comes down.  Nope - it would be many years. That's the way the system works.

The judge in the case already tried  to seize trump's assets and the appeals court already said "not a chance". Whatever amount he has to pay will be far down the road, and easy to address.
 

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FACT: Donald Trump’s businesses in New York have already been ordered dissolved.

MAKE-BELIEVE: They will become somehow un-dissolved.

 

Fact - the appeals court veto'd that.

Make believe - your belief that appeal courts don't exist  

 

Sorry kiddo - the 'make believe' artist here is you.

I'm sure trump will wind up with a healthy slap.  But it won't finish him by any means.

 

And next time get your facts straight first  

[Rebound]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:49 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure kid. you didn't say he was 'guilty' either right?  It's amazing how you lefties forget what you've said the moment someone proves you wrong

So let me sum it up for you seeing as your memory is so bad.  This isn't going to ruin trump at all. He'll get a small slap and that's it. He's not going out of business, he's not going to jail, he's not 'guilty' of anything, this was a witch hunt and they'll be forced to back down just as colorado is.  Sorry that the facts don't match with your fiction,.

You’re the one living in fiction. Trump already lost this case.  Judge ruled against him.  

Edited February 28, 2024 by Rebound

[Caswell Thomas]

Seems to me that the un woke Right MAGA extremists here are trying to imply that there is no reason that Trump should even be on trial, and stating somehow that it is a  crime of the Left to bring ANY witnesses who have credible information against Trump into the Court .  Thus is so hilarious a proposition of what a real Motion of Defence is in any Court of Law in the entire Country that it will be laughed at in every law school in the USA for the next hundred years!    

 

Trump's attorneys though have filed exactly that Motion To "compel the Prosecution" to disregard any and all Prosecution witnesses , strike their testimony, and make it a Court Order that none of it be allowed whatsoever in any hearing in which Trump appears as a defendant."  

This is so LUDICROUS a Motion that if it is actually presented on paper it will serve as a virtual guarantee that it will

1. Be DENIED entirely

2. Be the grounds for a Bar Court proceeding of incompetent Practice of Law and Potential Disbarrment for any of Trumps attorneys who sign it, plus Sanctions ( monetary charges for insulting or wasting a Courts time, insulting or being rude to a Judge or Court Official, lying in Court ( plus Perjury charges), etc. 

3. Virtually guarantee Trumps case will be viewed With Prejudice which will drive up the fines amount .

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

You’re the one living in fiction. Trump already lost this case.  Judge ruled against him.  

"already" - you mean weeks after i posted that   LOL

And he's filed his appeal.

And as i said he'll get a slap on the wrist for sure. I doubt it'll be the full amount but he'll get something. But it's not going to bankrupt him,

55 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Seems to me that the un woke Right MAGA extremists here are trying to imply that there is no reason that Trump should even be on trial, and stating somehow that it is a  crime of the Left to bring ANY witnesses who have credible information against Trump into the Court . 

Does it.

Which poster here has said that it's a crime or inappropriate to bring any witnesses? Name one. Post where they said that.

Unless you're just lying again. In which case carry on, we kind of expect that.

 

[Caswell Thomas]

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

"already" - you mean weeks after i posted that   LOL

And he's filed his appeal.

And as i said he'll get a slap on the wrist for sure. I doubt it'll be the full amount but he'll get something. But it's not going to bankrupt him,

Does it.

Which poster here has said that it's a crime or inappropriate to bring any witnesses? Name one. Post where they said that.

Unless you're just lying again. In which case carry on, we kind of expect that.

 

Look it up...its in the Hush Money hearing.  Your...messiah us trying to block all witnesses from testifying against him.  

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

3 hours ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Look it up...its in the Hush Money hearing.  Your...messiah us trying to block all witnesses from testifying against him. 

Different hearing kiddo.  and that doesnt' change a single thing i said.  But i'm not surprised you can't get your facts strait about which case you're talking about.

[Yakuda]

On 1/1/2024 at 11:16 AM, Rebound said:

In New York State, we will get a ruling soon on the damages Donald Trump will pay in his civil fraud trial. He has already been found guilty; the ruling is only on the amount of damages. 
 

Throughout the case, Donald Trump repeatedly and continually insulted the judge. Yes, Donald Trump thinks that the one person who will rule on his damages is someone he should intimidate an insult. 
 

Damage estimates in this case range from $150 million to $750 million, along with the dissolution of all of Trump’s New York businesses, and a ban on Donald Trump and his children from operating businesses in the state of New York.  
 

If Donald Trump is indeed a billionaire, he certainly does not have $500 to $750 million in cash, and this ruling is very likely to lead him to liquidate half or more of his assets. And there is little he can do about it — of course he will file an appeal, but the law is the law. Trump has already laid out his arguments in court, and none have been compelling.  This ruling, coming in about two weeks, is likely to bring an end to the Trump empire.  

Who are the people affected by trumps supposed fraud? 

[Rebound]

5 hours ago, Yakuda said:

Who are the people affected by trumps supposed fraud? 

Where does the New York State Law say that an individual must be directly affected by an act of fraud?

These banks do not want to go on record stating that they were fooled or defrauded, and they especially don't want to testify against a man who may become President of the United States and therefore capable of causing incalculable harm to their business. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

Where does the New York State Law say that an individual must be directly affected by an act of fraud?

 

So you admit it was no one.  There was no victim here in the slightest.

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These banks do not want to go on record stating that they were fooled or defrauded, and they especially don't want to testify against a man who may become President of the United States and therefore capable of causing incalculable harm to their business. 

They couldn't care less and they know they weren't defrauded in the slightest.  I can explain why in painful detal but at the end of the day if they were worried about it they would have sent an appraiser.  They were assessing the credit risk and his ability to pay and were satisfied that with all his assets there would be enough if he defaulted, so they lent the money.  And he paid it back on time and in full.

Let us be very clear here - this is an utterly victimless crime. This is a charge on a technicality, not due to a complaint or harm.  Nobody has EVER made the claim that there's an injured third party.

The law does not require there to be an injured party and there is a good reason for that - it allows them to pursue people who attempted to defraud people and there really would have been a victim.  And that's fine. But it was not intended for what they're using it for and this is just a prosecutor thinking he can harass trump on a technicality.

This is entirely different than the document case for example which has some legitimacy. This is a witch hunt pure and simple and will drive many voters into trump's camp.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

So you admit it was no one.  There was no victim here in the slightest.

They couldn't care less and they know they weren't defrauded in the slightest.  I can explain why in painful detal but at the end of the day if they were worried about it they would have sent an appraiser.  They were assessing the credit risk and his ability to pay and were satisfied that with all his assets there would be enough if he defaulted, so they lent the money.  And he paid it back on time and in full.

Let us be very clear here - this is an utterly victimless crime. This is a charge on a technicality, not due to a complaint or harm.  Nobody has EVER made the claim that there's an injured third party.

The law does not require there to be an injured party and there is a good reason for that - it allows them to pursue people who attempted to defraud people and there really would have been a victim.  And that's fine. But it was not intended for what they're using it for and this is just a prosecutor thinking he can harass trump on a technicality.

This is entirely different than the document case for example which has some legitimacy. This is a witch hunt pure and simple and will drive many voters into trump's camp.

Let me be very clear on my opinion of this: Donald Trump deserves this ruling. Not because I disagree with his politics, but because he has been a notorious fraudster for decades. He has refused to pay dozens of his contractors huge sums of money, and when they tried to collect, he would sue them and leave them nearly bankrupt. He has ruthlessly abused the law to his advantage, and he's ruthlessly abused the tax system to his advantage. Now the law is fighting back. 

TODAY, Trump offered to cough up $100 million in cash bond while he sells properties to come up with the rest of his money. His offer was turned down.

[CdnFox]

10 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Let me be very clear on my opinion of this: Donald Trump deserves this ruling. Not because I disagree with his politics, but because he has been a notorious fraudster for decades.

So you feel he deserves this because you don't like him. Rather than because he's done wrong in this specific case.

Well that's probably a great way to run a legal system wouldn't you say?

[Caswell Thomas]

On 1/2/2024 at 7:49 PM, CdnFox said:

Sure kid. you didn't say he was 'guilty' either right?  It's amazing how you lefties forget what you've said the moment someone proves you wrong

So let me sum it up for you seeing as your memory is so bad.  This isn't going to ruin trump at all. He'll get a small slap and that's it. He's not going out of business, he's not going to jail, he's not 'guilty' of anything, this was a witch hunt and they'll be forced to back down just as colorado is.  Sorry that the facts don't match with your fiction,.

Quoting CD nfox "...this isn't going to ruin Trump at all. He'll get a small slap and that's it. He's not going out of business..."

Well, well, welll....WRONG AGAIN.  In fact you are often very wrong and just twist and squirm  around until you can make up a new conspiracy to blame it on, just like that Con Man Grifter you work for.  

Trumps empire begins crumbling starting this evening.  He will be living his greatest fears right now, along with screaming at the top of his lungs and throwing things....just like the little little kid who had his  Halloween candy taken away - that he stole from other kids when they weren't looking, and thought he got away with. 

Because, well you know....If by morning he doesn't have at least one property to the Assets Administrator to be sold, and enough more to make up the whole Judgement, that Administrator will put them ALL on the chopping block.

 

And you know, that will be the best thing for the American people to see....just what exactly Trump has his hands into....the legal...and I suspect some very less than legal, "businesses" whose...partners" will be...unhappy...to be seen in the light of day, much less broken up and investigated fully and said assets sold.    

 

 

 

[CdnFox]

27 minutes ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Quoting CD nfox "...this isn't going to ruin Trump at all. He'll get a small slap and that's it. He's not going out of business..."

Well, well, welll....WRONG AGAIN. 

 

LOL - i'm 100 percent right again   He's not going out of business.   Sorry - do you have evidence he's gone out of business? no ? None? Not at all?  Awwww - you screwed up again  

Sorry kiddo - he'll get a slap but it won't ruin him or put him out of business. I know that frustrates you because you hate him but it's just the way it is. He's not going out of business, he's not going to jail for 'fraud'.  Sucks to be you  

[Rebound]

15 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So you feel he deserves this because you don't like him. Rather than because he's done wrong in this specific case.

Well that's probably a great way to run a legal system wouldn't you say?

See... it doesn't work that way.

Donald Trump doesn't complain when he used legal technicalities to get away with not paying his contractors millions of dollars. He's used our legal system for decades to cheat people. And now he can't cheat it, and he's upset.

The facts of this fraud case are crystal clear. And instead of reading your BS right-wing rags, you *COULD* read the actual court documents, which are public record. They're called "FACTS." And the FACTS are that Donald Trump systematically defrauded lenders and tax authorities for decades, not on the order of 20% but on the order of 300% and more. He did it for so long, and got away with it for so long, that he doesn't think it's a crime to sign your name on a piece of paper that says you swear that what you say is true. 

Donald Trump BROKE THE LAW, so he has to PAY THE PRICE. Just like the little people have to do. Pay your car registration late, they nail you. Pay a traffic or parking ticket late, they nail you. Well... he got nailed. Plain and simple. That's how it goes.

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, Rebound said:

See... it doesn't work that way.

You seem to think it does.

12 minutes ago, Rebound said:

Donald Trump doesn't complain when he used legal technicalities to get away with not paying his contractors millions of dollars

Then sue him for that.  Charge him with that. Change the law for that 

But - if you're going to try to argue that it's ok to weaponize the law for a judge or a prosecutor to attack a political opponent you're wrong.  Period. End of story, drop the mike,  thanks for playing.

It's that simple - there's no excusing it, there's no making it ok, i'ts a fundimental attack on democracy to do that. 

Otherwise you will have no room to whine when he gets in and starts "trumping up" charges against all his opponents and starts locking them up.  THink he's abused the system before? You ain't seen nothing yet if this keeps up.

[robosmith]

New York AG says she’ll seize Donald Trump’s property if he can’t pay $454 million civil fraud debt

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Donald Trump could be at risk of losing some of his prized properties if he can’t pay his staggering New York civil fraud penalty. With interest, he owes the state nearly $454 million — and the amount is going up $87,502 each day until he pays.

New York Attorney General Letitia James told ABC News on Tuesday that she will seek to seize some of the former president’s assets if he’s unable to cover the bill from Judge Arthur Engoron’s Feb. 16 ruling.

Engoron concluded that Trump lied for years about his wealth as he built the real estate empire that vaulted him to stardom and the White House. Trump denies wrongdoing and has vowed to appeal. 

Don't believe the sneaker sales are going to support his $450M appeal escrow. LMAO
 

[Caswell Thomas]

19 hours ago, CdnFox said:

LOL - i'm 100 percent right again   He's not going out of business.   Sorry - do you have evidence he's gone out of business? no ? None? Not at all?  Awwww - you screwed up again  

Sorry kiddo - he'll get a slap but it won't ruin him or put him out of business. I know that frustrates you because you hate him but it's just the way it is. He's not going out of business, he's not going to jail for 'fraud'.  Sucks to be you  

Apparently you are not as smart and quirky as you think you are. I mean anyone can be insulting online because if the audience is not right there next to you in person and can hit you back for every blow you think you are making...hell, you could be missing on every one of them , like now, and never know.  

You really should get used to doing your own actual research in law libraries instead of me teaching it to you for free. Law classes are expensive you know, even law library use isn't like walking into a public or even government library and pulling a book off the shelf to read or take home.  There are,  also of course , the way in which law reference guides to case law versus case evaluation research are even displayed, but then you did know that right?  So...you can read a case citation and find that case to read, just like the Supreme Courts do...right?  Well I can also and also the publications that give that information including the summaries.   So...if you were expecting For me to tell you how, for tricking FREE, you are S.O.L.  , do your own research!  And if you still don't find anything, don't come here with your snarky comments,and insults, go look in the mirror and ask yourself WHY you have to ask an Independent Journalist who, more and more sees the Left as the ONLY sane politics on the United States political scene these days ....because if you are any example of who the Republicans are relying on to put Trump in Office again...hell I must as well go visit my estate in Vineyard Haven and just relax, Biden's got nothing to worry about. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Caswell Thomas said:

Apparently you are not as smart and quirky as you think you are.

I think it's apperent to everyone that whether i am  or am not, you're not qualified to say. That's more of a thing for humans to decide