Colorado Supreme Court rules insurrectionist Trump ineligible

[Deluge]

19 minutes ago, robosmith said:

You're already "ugly here." But go out and try to steal another election and see how you like JAIL.

Of course Trump won't be in power to pardon you like he's promised.

One thing you don't understand is that Trump could have pardoned his goons after Jan 6th BUT DID NOT.

Pure ^projection. You're describing YOURSELF cause YOU'RE DELUGINAL.

Woke zombies will make good target practice.

[Deluge]

26 minutes ago, robosmith said:

1. Your cult leader Trump calling ANYTHING fake news ONLY means he wants to keep YOU IGNORANT of the FACTS.

AKA, neither fake NOR "radical left-wing." You've been CONNED.

The 14th A says he's NOT QUALIFIED, no matter how much you want to ignore inconvenient FACTS cause der leader told you not to believe them.

1. The hivemind mentality is your terrain, dipsh*t, not mine. Now go see what propaganda your overlords want you spreading today.

2. The 14th Amendment applies to left-wing crazies like Antifa. They're the REAL insurrectionists. 

[impartialobserver]

18 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The impact of removing democracy is severe.

what if we just remove the voting rights of anyone living in a state that hasn't changed who won in 2 elections, would that be ok? Only swing states are allowed to vote anymore.

When you take away people's right to choose who to vote for, you are doing irreprable damage.  It is NOT an ok thing to say 'meh - you weren't using your democracy anyway right?"

You are SEVERELY downplaying the 'effect' of removing democracy from people.  Democracy is important, EVEN IF people keep making the same choice the right and ability to MAKE that choice is a VERY big deal.

That is a dumb thing to say - and frankly worse than anything trump said.  Anyone who dares question your narrative is an 'enemy of the state'?  Can i get you a nice little set of jackboots and a gas chamber to go with that attitude?

 

When Trump wins (which I do not want).. the silliness of this will get exposed and possibly some consequences handed out. I find that results speak louder than words. 

[robosmith]

26 minutes ago, Deluge said:

Woke zombies will make good target practice.

Jail makes a good home for people threatening others with "target practice." 🤮

Fortunately you're all BULLSHIT.

24 minutes ago, Deluge said:

1. The hivemind mentality is your terrain, dipsh*t, not mine. Now go see what propaganda your overlords want you spreading today.

^Projection, AGAIN.

24 minutes ago, Deluge said:

2. The 14th Amendment applies to left-wing crazies like Antifa. They're the REAL insurrectionists. 

NO ONE is above the law. ^This is a LIE because the 14th A draws NO SUCH DISTINCTION.

AKA, you're DESPERATE.

[CdnFox]

39 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

When Trump wins (which I do not want).. the silliness of this will get exposed and possibly some consequences handed out. I find that results speak louder than words. 

No, that's not how it works.

If someone breaks into your home and tries to steal  your things... it's still bad even if they are unsuccessful.

This isn't "silly".  This is how countries and empires come to their end.  All do eventually - and this is what it looks like.

They tried and failed in a state YOU feel doesn't deserve democracy any more. And apperently that's perfectly ok. So there's nothing whatsoever to stop the republicans from doing it next election - and if they succeed that time oh well. What can you say.

Pretty soon the law is fully weaponized and we see fake dossiers and charges and constitutional twisting by the party in power against ALL its political opponents, and the public that supports them.

There is only one thing that gives law power and makes democracy work, and that is people's belief in it.  It doesn't matter what  you have written on paper or what some person wearing a silly robe said, the moment people decide it's not real - it's gone.

This is how that starts. You either defend your democracy for EVERYONE or you lose it - and at this point the USA is walking down the road of losing it.

Hey - russia has elections too, maybe you'll be 'democratic' like them.

[impartialobserver]

2 hours ago, CdnFox said:

No, that's not how it works.

If someone breaks into your home and tries to steal  your things... it's still bad even if they are unsuccessful.

This isn't "silly".  This is how countries and empires come to their end.  All do eventually - and this is what it looks like.

They tried and failed in a state YOU feel doesn't deserve democracy any more. And apperently that's perfectly ok. So there's nothing whatsoever to stop the republicans from doing it next election - and if they succeed that time oh well. What can you say.

Pretty soon the law is fully weaponized and we see fake dossiers and charges and constitutional twisting by the party in power against ALL its political opponents, and the public that supports them.

There is only one thing that gives law power and makes democracy work, and that is people's belief in it.  It doesn't matter what  you have written on paper or what some person wearing a silly robe said, the moment people decide it's not real - it's gone.

This is how that starts. You either defend your democracy for EVERYONE or you lose it - and at this point the USA is walking down the road of losing it.

Hey - russia has elections too, maybe you'll be 'democratic' like them.

I do not see this is a zero sum game where the choice once lost can't be restored. The courts will taketh away and then discover that their efforts were for naught and then laws will be passed to prevent this. 

[Rebound]

21 hours ago, CdnFox said:

The impact of removing democracy is severe.

what if we just remove the voting rights of anyone living in a state that hasn't changed who won in 2 elections, would that be ok? Only swing states are allowed to vote anymore.

When you take away people's right to choose who to vote for, you are doing irreprable damage.  It is NOT an ok thing to say 'meh - you weren't using your democracy anyway right?"

You are SEVERELY downplaying the 'effect' of removing democracy from people.  Democracy is important, EVEN IF people keep making the same choice the right and ability to MAKE that choice is a VERY big deal.

That is a dumb thing to say - and frankly worse than anything trump said.  Anyone who dares question your narrative is an 'enemy of the state'?  Can i get you a nice little set of jackboots and a gas chamber to go with that attitude?

 

That’s how the U.S. Constitution works. 
In 2000, Al Gore got 500,000 more votes than George Bush, but the Constitution said those 500,000 votes didn’t matter, and Bush became President. 

In 2003, Arnold Schwarzenegger was the most popular Republican in America  But no matter how many votes he got, the Constitution said he could not be President of the United States  

In 2016, Clinton got 4 million more votes than Donald Trump, but the U.S. Constitution said those 4 million votes don’t matter, and Trump became President. 
 

On January 6, 2021, Donald Trump incited an insurrection, making him Constitutionally ineligible for the Presidency, no matter how many votes he gets.  

[Hodad]

24 minutes ago, impartialobserver said:

I do not see this is a zero sum game where the choice once lost can't be restored. The courts will taketh away and then discover that their efforts were for naught and then laws will be passed to prevent this. 

Out of curiosity, why would laws be passed to prevent this. The law that was passed, and amended to the constitution, is there for a pretty good reason, no?

[Rebound]

9 minutes ago, Hodad said:

Out of curiosity, why would laws be passed to prevent this. The law that was passed, and amended to the constitution, is there for a pretty good reason, no?

The 14th Amendment was clearly written to address Civil War confederates. Those people were NOT convicted of insurrection, but they WERE NOT eligible for Federal office if they’d previously sworn an oath to defend the U.S. Constitution.  No Conviction Needed. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, impartialobserver said:

I do not see this is a zero sum game where the choice once lost can't be restored. The courts will taketh away and then discover that their efforts were for naught and then laws will be passed to prevent this. 

It is.  sorry.  Your blindness to it will not make it less true. 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Rebound said:

That’s how the U.S. Constitution works. 
In 2000, Al Gore got 500,000 more votes than George Bush, but the Constitution said those 500,000 votes didn’t matter, and Bush became President. 

The us constitution does NOT work by depriving people of the RIGHT to vote.  You must be entirely out of your mind.  While the electoral college system (whcih exists in one form or another everywhere) may mean that the popular vote and the electoral vote are not 1 to 1 - that does NOT mean it's somehow ok to tell an entire state "Well we've decided you don't deserve to even get to vote on it".

You have said some crazy things before but COME ON - even YOU have to be able to see that's not ok.

[Rebound]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

The us constitution does NOT work by depriving people of the RIGHT to vote.  You must be entirely out of your mind.  While the electoral college system (whcih exists in one form or another everywhere) may mean that the popular vote and the electoral vote are not 1 to 1 - that does NOT mean it's somehow ok to tell an entire state "Well we've decided you don't deserve to even get to vote on it".

You have said some crazy things before but COME ON - even YOU have to be able to see that's not ok.

The people can vote to put Donald Trump on the ballot. The US Constitution is clear about that: With a 2/3 vote of each House of Congress, Donald Trump’s Presidential eligibility can be restored. 

But nobody’s right to vote is being taken away. You get to vote for anybody you want. An American can write in a vote for Schwarzenegger for President, but he cannot be sworn in as President, no matter how many votes he gets. That’s how our nation’s government works. The US Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and it is clear that you cannot be President if you swore and oath to defend the Constitution and then participated in an insurrection or rebellion.  An Act of Congress, signed by the President, has already declared that the events of January 6 were an insurrection. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Rebound said:

The people can vote to put Donald Trump on the ballot.

Not if colorado doesn't allow it. And clearly this is intended to impede that.

And of course if a candidate is forced off a ballot then people's right to vote is completely being taken away.  Otherwise you just put one name on the ballot and call it democracy. 

Do you really need this explained to you?

You need to take a step back and think.  You need to decide if democracy matters to you or if your hatred of trump matters to you more.  Because i guarantee you that you guys are on the edge of something truly horrible, you have no idea how impossible it is to get it back once it's gone.  History is very clear about this.

Either you care about democracy and you tolerate NO interference or you're going to lose it.  The republicans will weaponize this against you next and it will go down hill from there. 

[Rebound]

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Not if colorado doesn't allow it. And clearly this is intended to impede that.

And of course if a candidate is forced off a ballot then people's right to vote is completely being taken away.  Otherwise you just put one name on the ballot and call it democracy. 

Do you really need this explained to you?

You need to take a step back and think.  You need to decide if democracy matters to you or if your hatred of trump matters to you more.  Because i guarantee you that you guys are on the edge of something truly horrible, you have no idea how impossible it is to get it back once it's gone.  History is very clear about this.

Either you care about democracy and you tolerate NO interference or you're going to lose it.  The republicans will weaponize this against you next and it will go down hill from there. 

I already explained that The People can elect a Congress which can vote to restore Trump’s ability to serve as President. That is how our system works. 

[CdnFox]

4 minutes ago, Rebound said:

I already explained that The People can elect a Congress which can vote to restore Trump’s ability to serve as President.

And i already explained why that's a completely bullshit answer.

That's like saying 'if trump had succeeded on jan 6 in becoming president the people can always elect a different president next time'.

How sad that a nation that practically invented modern democracy has now sunk so low as to produce the likes of you to defend it.  Imagine throwing away your freedoms to 'get at' someone you don't like. 

You've gone from "I disagree with what you say but will defend to the death your right to say it "   to  "it's perfectly ok to use the courts to repress anyone who's from a political party you don't like!

[Deluge]

20 hours ago, robosmith said:

Jail makes a good home for people threatening others with "target practice." 🤮

Fortunately you're all BULLSHIT.

^Projection, AGAIN.

NO ONE is above the law. ^This is a LIE because the 14th A draws NO SUCH DISTINCTION.

AKA, you're DESPERATE.

Even prison is too good for democrats. I'm thinking more along the lines of expulsion. It has a better ring to it, don't you think? 

[robosmith]

‘Donald Trump’s name does not belong on the ballot. The plain language of the 14th Amendment, barring federal officials who’ve engaged in insurrection from holding office again, makes that clear. The Colorado Supreme Court agrees. Some very smart, very conservative constitutional scholars agree. So does Maine’s secretary of state. This isn’t about politics; it’s about the Constitution setting bare-minimum qualifications for office, and Trump failing to meet those qualifications.’  — Paul Thornton. 

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Even prison is too good for democrats. I'm thinking more along the lines of expulsion. It has a better ring to it, don't you think? 

I know your desperation STINKS.

[CdnFox]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

‘Donald Trump’s name does not belong on the ballot. The plain language of the 14th Amendment, barring federal officials who’ve engaged in insurrection from holding office again, makes that clear. The Colorado Supreme Court agrees. Some very smart, very conservative constitutional scholars agree. So does Maine’s secretary of state. This isn’t about politics; it’s about the Constitution setting bare-minimum qualifications for office, and Trump failing to meet those qualifications.’  — Paul Thornton. 

I know your desperation STINKS.

LOL - it's funny because you're trying so desperately to get trump OFF the ballot in colorado - meanwhile Justin Trudeau is trying so hard to get him ON the ballot in Canada  

[Deluge]

3 minutes ago, robosmith said:

‘Donald Trump’s name does not belong on the ballot. The plain language of the 14th Amendment, barring federal officials who’ve engaged in insurrection from holding office again, makes that clear. The Colorado Supreme Court agrees. Some very smart, very conservative constitutional scholars agree. So does Maine’s secretary of state. This isn’t about politics; it’s about the Constitution setting bare-minimum qualifications for office, and Trump failing to meet those qualifications.’  — Paul Thornton. 

I know your desperation STINKS.

You know the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to your misguided allegations, yet you ldiots continue parroting the same nonsense anyways. lol

[CdnFox]

Just now, Deluge said:

You know the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to your misguided allegations, yet you ldiots continue parroting the same nonsense anyways. lol

Hey - self delusion is one of the democrats most successful campaign strategies to date and you have  no call to tell them otherwise!!!

[Deluge]

18 hours ago, Rebound said:

I already explained that The People can elect a Congress which can vote to restore Trump’s ability to serve as President. That is how our system works. 

We just need righteous clarification on the 14th Amendment, as you a$$holes are clearly trying to abuse it. 

1 minute ago, CdnFox said:

Hey - self delusion is one of the democrats most successful campaign strategies to date and you have  no call to tell them otherwise!!!

It's the "Come to Jesus" moments with these clowns that makes it all worthwhile.  

[robosmith]

4 minutes ago, Deluge said:

You know the 14th Amendment doesn't apply to your misguided allegations, yet you ldiots continue parroting the same nonsense anyways. lol

The CONSERVATIVE legal EXPERTS who have weighed in on this issue mean MUCH MORE than ^your amateur OPINION.

[Deluge]

28 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The CONSERVATIVE legal EXPERTS who have weighed in on this issue mean MUCH MORE than ^your amateur OPINION.

Sorry, roboshill, but the OPINION comes from your side. NO ONE TRULY believes he's guilty of insurrection or charges would have already been brought up and a court conviction in some backward assed kangaroo court would have already happened. 

You perverts had best brace yourselves, as you've got a Trump presidency coming at you next year.  

[Rebound]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Sorry, roboshill, but the OPINION comes from your side. NO ONE TRULY believes he's guilty of insurrection or charges would have already been brought up and a court conviction in some backward assed kangaroo court would have already happened. 

You perverts had best brace yourselves, as you've got a Trump presidency coming at you next year.  

Question: 

Where in the Constitution does it say a conviction is required?

Edited January 4, 2024 by Rebound

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Sorry, roboshill, but the OPINION comes from your side. NO ONE TRULY believes he's guilty of insurrection or charges would have already been brought up and a court conviction in some backward assed kangaroo court would have already happened. 

You perverts had best brace yourselves, as you've got a Trump presidency coming at you next year.  

You MAGA CULT members are completely out of the loop. Everyone knows that Trump "engaged in insurrection;" that's why the Co SC and Maine SoS removed him from the ballot. Duh

What's really amazing is that you continue to act as though anyone believes YOUR LIES.