A Catastrophic Climate ‘Tipping Point’ Is Imminent

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

1. Simply dismissing it out of hand like that and downplaying it may be a popular leftist debate tactic with any uncomfortable truth they encounter but it doesn't make it go away.

2. These are not trivial things.  And a 'single digit' in gdp represents a major recession. 
 

1. Sorry, I didn't mean to dismiss it but to set it to scale: for both effects and costs.  If it were a 'leftist' tactic I wouldn't have characterized the impacts also.
2. Trivial is your word.  I'm characterizing.  Again - I did it for both impacts and costs.
 

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Sorry, I didn't mean to dismiss it but to set it to scale: for both effects and costs.  If it were a 'leftist' tactic I wouldn't have characterized the impacts also.

 

That does not appear to be entirely true. Your tone and language certainly was dismissive of it.

But - lets say i'm just reading it wrong. So - we can agree then that it IS actually a significant impact and harms the economy substantially?

[Michael Hardner]

3 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

... harms the economy substantially?

...either way.  The impacts and costs, again.

[Deluge]

21 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

If we're being fair, it's not that they don't "work", it's just that they don't work well enough to address all our power needs.

IF the day came when we could store vast amounts of power easily and cheaply over long periods (the way we store water in a dam to be used when needed) then it solar would be a really great idea in many places. And as it is it's a great supplement.  Super cheap and easy to deploy, it can reduce the amount of hydro projects and gas power stations we need.

The problem is when 1diots try to stretch the technology beyond its capabilities and replace all power generation with these Supplementary tools.

Hopefully the day will come when technology advances occur which allow us to rely more on that kind of technology, but we are not there yet and trying to pretend we are there is what gets us into trouble.

No, I totally agree. If there was a way that we could power everything cheaply and also advance our quality of life, I'd be all for it.

The problem is the activists. They're turning everyone else off with their ldiotic protests and really stoopid ideas. 

[CdnFox]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

...either way.  The impacts and costs, again.

Well that made no sense.

So - the impact to our economy is very significant.  The impact economically of doing nothing would be to NOT harm our economy substantially.

So - what's the benefit we derive from that damage we're doing to the economy to offset the pain?

Pretty much zero unelss you've got info i don't have handy.  Not only did canada's emissions not go down or meet the paris accord's numbers or even come close to it -  the world output has climbed so much that even if we HAD hit our numbers, which we didn't, it would have made no difference what so ever.

So - up to this point, we've done serious damage to the economy and quality of life for people, but we haven't actually done anything to fight global warming.  Remember - this is accepting 100 percent that global warming is every bit as bad as they say it will be and is 100 percent man made.

So... why are we doing this?

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, I totally agree. If there was a way that we could power everything cheaply and also advance our quality of life, I'd be all for it.

The problem is the activists. They're turning everyone else off with their ldiotic protests and really stoopid ideas. 

That's true sadly.  So called climate and environmental activists were the ones who put nuclear power development back by about 20 years demanding it was a horrible option which should never be considered.  They seem to be fond of demanding the deployment of tech that is promising ... but not there yet. And if you disagree - you're a terrible person who should be immediately recycled.

Frankly, some times looking at these people the idea of a mass extinction event loses its sting   

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

As a poor nation, the most pressing would be food. Nothing else matters, when famine is a real threat.

When the mega storm hits, nothing is more important than shelter. Nothing else matters when you're dead from storm surge and flying debris.

When your properties in the Philippines are under water, you're going to regret the world's GHGs not being controlled/reduced.

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Deluge said:

Well, it's still a free country so you could call us Nazis, but you'd be be completely inaccurate. I'm not in the party that needs perpetual poverty to stay alive. YOU are. 

YOU are a moonbat. You may not like that term but it's what you are. You're a moonbat because you believe man is killing Earth. The only thing that separates you from those ldiots in the video, is that you're slightly more reserved in your behavior. 

The Earth will not be "killed" by pollution; that is just the mega hyperbole YOU USE because you don't have a rational argument.

What will be "killed" by GW and climate change is Earth's habitability, your insanity notwithstanding.

Get ready to pay a LOT MORE for SURVIVAL, cause you're too cheap and stupid to get off fossil fuels. 

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Why tell the truth to someone who is lying to themselves.

I'm telling you the truth. You're the one LYING to yourself and TROLLING.

1 hour ago, Legato said:

My home under the bridge is cold right now, must be an imminent ice age.

^Doesn't know the difference between winter weather and climate. Educate yourself.

[Deluge]

6 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The Earth will not be "killed" by pollution; that is just the mega hyperbole YOU USE because you don't have a rational argument.

What will be "killed" by GW and climate change is Earth's habitability, your insanity notwithstanding.

Get ready to pay a LOT MORE for SURVIVAL, cause you're too cheap and stupid to get off fossil fuels. 

All the more reason for you moonbats to haul ass to the caves. 

I hope you're not using fossil fuel or purchasing ANYTHING that was produced in facilities that pump dangerous gasses into our frail atmosphere. 

Edited December 18, 2023 by Deluge

[robosmith]

21 minutes ago, Deluge said:

No, I totally agree. If there was a way that we could power everything cheaply and also advance our quality of life, I'd be all for it.

The problem is the activists. They're turning everyone else off with their ldiotic protests and really stoopid ideas. 

The stupid ideas are yours, when there are alternatives which everyone else understands are superior in every way.

Which is why they are replacing fossil fuel energy sources at lower costs EN MASSE.

So roll out your HYPERBOLIC NONSENSE again since it makes you feel better. It will be justice when you snowflakes melt due to GW.

[Deluge]

17 minutes ago, robosmith said:

The stupid ideas are yours, when there are alternatives which everyone else understands are superior in every way.

Which is why they are replacing fossil fuel energy sources at lower costs EN MASSE.

So roll out your HYPERBOLIC NONSENSE again since it makes you feel better. It will be justice when you snowflakes melt due to GW.

OK, dumbf*ck, talk about what you think is "superior in every way". 

[CdnFox]

24 minutes ago, robosmith said:

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Which is why they are replacing fossil fuel energy sources at lower costs EN MASSE.

 

But they're not.  In fact - world wide emissions are going up every year.

So it would seem like the world leaders disagree with you.

[robosmith]

5 minutes ago, Deluge said:

OK, dumbf*ck, talk about what you think is "superior in every way". 

Being adopted en masse everywhere, INCLUDING Texas where they have NO SHORTAGE of fossil fuels, proves the superiority.

Texans have superior sources of wind, and superior INTELLIGENCE to use it, unlike your anachronistic BELIEFS.

[CdnFox]

14 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Being adopted en masse everywhere, INCLUDING Texas where they have NO SHORTAGE of fossil fuels, proves the superiority.

 

No it doesn't. early nuclear reactors were adopted everywhere, and they weren't great. And texas still is primarily driven by oil - so does that make oil superior?

I notice you can never answer these questions.

[Guest]

37 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Nothing else matters when you're dead

Exactly, so why fuss?

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

When the mega storm hits

We all die. No tax, no virtue signaling will fix that.

Yes. You will also drown in your EV. Insult to injury? Electrocuted, too.

The human race can't destroy planet earth. It can only make it harder for them to live on it.

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

When your properties in the Philippines are under water

I won't regret a thing. I will clutch my wife and family tight, and say: "Mabuhay heaven. Here we come! Praise be the lord"

Last thing on my mind will be: "should have bought that EV!" *gurgles water*

If anything, we will laugh on choosing to live on an island surrounded by water, yet never learning how to swim.

I feel sorry for today's youth. Balls of anxiety and stress for no reason. You have zero control of when the world ends.

You could still reduce emissions by 96%, put fart bags on cows anuses, and convert this to electricity to drive your cars and heat your homes, and still potentially die as a meteor hits earth.

Life is way too short.

All that anxiety will have a heart attack hit you, well before the floods do.

[robosmith]

17 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Exactly, so why fuss?

We all die. No tax, no virtue signaling will fix that.

Yes, it will. Your resignation to futility notwithstanding.

There have been countless actions informed by science which have delayed MILLIONS OF DEATHS to natural life spans.

There used to be ozone holes over the poles, but phasing out chlorofluorocarbons in refrigerants has cured that, for one minor example. 

Sorry, not buying your "we all die" excuse for inaction.

[Legato]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

I'm telling you the truth. You're the one LYING to yourself and TROLLING.

^Doesn't know the difference between winter weather and climate. Educate yourself.

Yes, when it's cold the weather is responsible, when warm it's climate change. Got it.

Oh forgot, the charge for a bridge crossing has increased by 20%. We trolls have to keep warm you know.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Yes, when it's cold the weather is responsible, when warm it's climate change.

^TROLLING or too stupid to understand that it's always cold weather in WINTER? 

1 hour ago, Legato said:

Got  shit.

ftfy...

[Guest]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

but phasing out

Glad you said it, and not me. I just don't understand the panic.

Sensibly phasing things out, and replacing them with better and greener alternatives, is a start.

The onus shouldn't be solely on the citizens.

I think the government has failed, if it prefers to pressure and shame citizens, vs incentivize change via businesses and innovators.

 

[Legato]

41 minutes ago, robosmith said:

^TROLLING or too stupid to understand that it's always cold weather in WINTER? 

ftfy...

And it's always climate change in summer. So what's it called at the equinoxes?

[CdnFox]

25 minutes ago, Legato said:

And it's always climate change in summer. So what's it called at the equinoxes?

"Harper's fault!"

[robosmith]

38 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Glad you said it, and not me. I just don't understand the panic.

Sensibly phasing things out, and replacing them with better and greener alternatives, is a start.

The onus shouldn't be solely on the citizens.

I think the government has failed, if it prefers to pressure and shame citizens, vs incentivize change via businesses and innovators.

Apparently you're ignorant of the government doing ALL those things. It's NOT a one trick pony.

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, Legato said:

And it's always climate change in summer. So what's it called at the equinoxes?

Nope. Far from it. Last summer set historical records for high temps world wide. That's the ONLY reason it was worthy of being considered evidence of climate change. You do understand what such extremes mean, right?

Thanks for your continual demonstration of your IGNORANCE of the science, TROLL

[CdnFox]

8 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Apparently you're ignorant of the government doing ALL those things. It's NOT a one trick pony.

Apperently you're ignorant of the gov't not doing any of those things.

If they did - why have we still got a problem?