War Abolitionist

[Jules]

I have embarked on a personal campaign to de/fang the world, so to speak. A single, first step is imperative for any journey, even a

protracted and very difficult one.   

If enough people desire, and earnestly 

 strive for global peace, then that desire is concretely, a manifestation of real peace, 

in fact. I frequently meet folks who believe war is perennial, or cyclical.  They seem to them, perversely, to adhere to a Ying/Yang pattern, or mathematic formula, if you will.  

This is a felonious argument, l submit,

and contradicts the harmonious virtues of the universe and it's well-known, emancipatory disposition. In the biology of

humans, for instance, healing, procreation, purification, and so on, are ever-present and

and ubiquitous.

 

 

[I am Groot]

But I LIKE war! And I will continue to make war on all who oppose me!

[Nationalist]

11 hours ago, Jules said:

I have embarked on a personal campaign to de/fang the world, so to speak. A single, first step is imperative for any journey, even a

protracted and very difficult one.   

If enough people desire, and earnestly 

 strive for global peace, then that desire is concretely, a manifestation of real peace, 

in fact. I frequently meet folks who believe war is perennial, or cyclical.  They seem to them, perversely, to adhere to a Ying/Yang pattern, or mathematic formula, if you will.  

This is a felonious argument, l submit,

and contradicts the harmonious virtues of the universe and it's well-known, emancipatory disposition. In the biology of

humans, for instance, healing, procreation, purification, and so on, are ever-present and

and ubiquitous.

 

 

Can Man live in peace? Are we capable of that? Some people are pacifists. Some are not. Many people see others not as cohabitants, but as a resource to be plundered.  Wolves among sheeple if you will.

I'm not sure Man can unify around a pacifist ideology.

[OftenWrong]

23 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Can Man live in peace? Are we capable of that? Some people are pacifists. Some are not. Many people see others not as cohabitants, but as a resource to be plundered.  Wolves among sheeple if you will.

I'm not sure Man can unify around a pacifist ideology.

I read the history of the world once. There never was peace. In fact every page was a story of non-stop violence, bloodshed and war. This is paralleled with the development of technology. It is war that drives technological progress. War has a big budget and can afford to fund all the research. And plus, war fires up the economic engine like nothing else. Is like putting more coal on the fire, Martha...

Therefore... blessed is the war, blessed are the soldiers, and the guns and bombs that rain down and kill. And the fancy new laser cannons, and hypersonic missiles, and the chemicals, and nano-bots, and mind reading machines.

[Nationalist]

26 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

I read the history of the world once. There never was peace. In fact every page was a story of non-stop violence, bloodshed and war. This is paralleled with the development of technology. It is war that drives technological progress. War has a big budget and can afford to fund all the research. And plus, war fires up the economic engine like nothing else. Is like putting more coal on the fire, Martha...

Therefore... blessed is the war, blessed are the soldiers, and the guns and bombs that rain down and kill. And the fancy new laser cannons, and hypersonic missiles, and the chemicals, and nano-bots, and mind reading machines.

It's probably good to aspire to peace. It just isn't very realistic to expect it.

[OftenWrong]

9 hours ago, Nationalist said:

It's probably good to aspire to peace. It just isn't very realistic to expect it.

Peace, you say?

Why, that's regressive...  

You're asking people to be poor as well...

[OftenWrong]

U.S. vetoes ceasefire demand

Not sayin I like it.

Am just sayin.

That's how the world works,

Sonny Bozo

[Jules]

Religion probably evolved to ap-prehend the cancer-like momen-tum of war. The Romans had Mars.

The Mo-notheism of Egypt may have been the proto/type

of the Abrahamicteachings, which proliferate in the modern world. But they clearly are contra-dictory  to the cancerous "inven-tion" of War.  It was an invention that has been ac-ceptable since  the first roots of a stable society were implanted,

probably between the fertile 

"Crescent"which is the median farmland of the Tigris-Euphrates

rivers. Baghdad is one of their original com-munities, l suppose.

[Jules]

The "tech-nology", fostered by military  warfare has insanely, l believe,

given the US the night-marish  mas-sacres, through the scope/

sights of cowardly, assault rifles.  They thrust Hades into  the hopes of 

 Americanparents, who con-template in the dark night  this, " Disease of armed cruelty and utter, utter crimi-nality"  

[myata]

F-ing lying hypocrites! Is Hitler a hitler or only a genius? Figure that one out first. Good luck.

[myata]

Again, this is a simple question: if someone behaves like Hitler are they a) a hitler, psychotic, violent aggressor; or b) a genius? Genius or hitler only two options, pick one what could be the problem?

We wanted world peace here only wonder what could be the problem? ?

[Queenmandy85]

On 12/12/2023 at 9:34 PM, OftenWrong said:

It is war that drives technological progress. War has a big budget and can afford to fund all the research. And plus, war fires up the economic engine like nothing else.

Actually, the American manned space program gave us a massive economic and technological spin-off we would expect from war and none of the negative impact. It created a positive pride in their country and international respect. The Apollo program cost $26 Billion US over 13 years. That is about one sixth of what the Viet Nam war cost. Three Americans died in the Apollo program. 50,000 Americans and over 3 million Vietnamese died in the Viet Nam War. It did not install much pride in the US when it was over. Now Viet Nam is a popular destination for American tourists.

This fall I had the opportunity to reflect on my own attitude towards war. I tried to think of a single war that achieved it goals that could not have been achieved by other means. I am sure there are some but none came to mind.

The Hundred Years War: Edward invaded France to affirm his right to be King of France. France was devastated but Edward never became King. 

The Seven Years War in North America: Quebec change hand a couple of times, two great Generals lost they lives on the Plains of Abraham, thousands of others died, and then, France and England sat down at a conference table and France offered to trade New France for Guadalupe. They could have skipped the war and had the same result.

The American Revolution: Had the 13 colonies been patient for a few more years, they would have benifitted from Lord Durham's report and become Dominions and then Independence through the Statute of Westminster. They would also have avoided defeat in the War of 1812, slavery would have been abolished 30 years earlier and the Civil War would not have taken place. The US would be no different than it is today, a Constitutional Republic, complete with the Second Amendment if they so desired. 

The Great War: It destabilized Europe, killed 25 million people and gave us Hitler, Stalin and Mao, and the Second World War which killed another 50 million people. It destabalize the Middle East as well. It achieved no worth while outcomes.

World War II: This is a difficult one because of all the wars, it was a necessity, but it was part of the result of the folly of the Great War.

My conclusion, after years of being a hawk for 55 years, war is folly. It achieves nothing worth while that cannot be achieved by other means, and often leads to more conflict. I haven't finished my deliberations but I fear I am on the road to becoming a pacifist. It leads me to wonder if the Ukraine would have been better off if they had taken a pro- Russian stance. I can't believe I just said that, but when you look at the 300 thousand Russians and an unknown number of Ukrainians killed or injured, when does independence and freedom become worth while. I ponder that, but I still hope they hammer Putin until he pulls out. 

If Russia were to invade Europe, would it be worth nuclear annihilation? Is it better to die a free person or live as a slave? That is a question others will make for us.

So, Jules, keep up the faith and welcome to the Forum.✌️Peace brother.

Edited December 15, 2023 by Queenmandy85

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

Actually, the American manned space program gave us a massive economic and technological spin-off we would expect from war and none of the negative impact

Right, because intercontinental ballistic missile technology does not depend on the development of advanced rocketry. 

Neither does the use of spy satellites, or other aspects of space based warfare.

Neither was there cause for concern when Sputnik flew over the United States emitting a beep on AM band at 20 MHz for Americans to hear on the radio.

 

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, Queenmandy85 said:

My conclusion, after years of being a hawk for 55 years, war is folly. It achieves nothing worth while that cannot be achieved by other means, and often leads to more conflict. I haven't finished my deliberations but I fear I am on the road to becoming a pacifist. It leads me to wonder if the Ukraine would have been better off if they had taken a pro- Russian stance. I can't believe I just said that, but when you look at the 300 thousand Russians and an unknown number of Ukrainians killed or injured, when does independence and freedom become worth while. I

I give you credit for thinking that far out of the box. At least you still have critical thinking skills and able to reconsider even at your age.

Now prepare for an onslaught of criticism by knee-jerk reactionary war lovers who couldn't care less about casualties and damage, and money lost. They relate to war primarily by their video games.

Edited December 15, 2023 by OftenWrong