Elon Musk is an antisemite. What can anyone do about it

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5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Musk is not entitled to their money.

Pull it.

End of. Choosing to make a spectacle of it, unless a specific political alignment is made, is blackmailing people with money.

This is purely political posturing. Has nothing to do with morals.

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

No respectable business wants to have their brand affiliated with content that does not align with their brand values. 

Disney is far from respectable. Look up their history. They are white washing their evil deeds of the past under the guise of progress which is just their white guilt being projected onto others.

You can't call out one person's ignorant reply to a post, and keep your incredibly racist past under wraps. 

Hypocritical at best, political posturing at worst.

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

Nor should anyone expect them to. 

Yet they post on Tik Tok.

A platform that has seen an alarming volume of antisemitism. 

Anyone with half a brain will know it has nothing to do with the content, and everything to do with trying to force Musk to toe the line under financial pressure to do so.

5 hours ago, Hodad said:

And there is nothing "woke" about basic human decency.

There is, in feeling you set the moral code, then turn around and not only violate it hypocritically, but have a massive history of doing just that, to boot, something you tried to scrub from the history books.

Current woke, has nothing to do with decency, and everything to do with wanting form control on speech, and feeling ones moral standing allows them to virtue signal to anyone who disagrees with them.

Musk apologized for his distasteful comment, which is further proof.

Especially when some of these people wanted to heap tons of "proof" this made Musk an antisemite, while then turning around and supporting chants to erase Israel from the map.

Hint. Be outraged. Its your right. At least, be so, consistently.

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Pull it.

End of. Choosing to make a spectacle of it, unless a specific political alignment is made, is blackmailing people with money.

This is purely political posturing. Has nothing to do with morals.

Disney is far from respectable. Look up their history. They are white washing their evil deeds of the past under the guise of progress which is just their white guilt being projected onto others.

You can't call out one person's ignorant reply to a post, and keep your incredibly racist past under wraps. 

Hypocritical at best, political posturing at worst.

Yet they post on Tik Tok.

A platform that has seen an alarming volume of antisemitism. 

Anyone with half a brain will know it has nothing to do with the content, and everything to do with trying to force Musk to toe the line under financial pressure to do so.

There is, in feeling you set the moral code, then turn around and not only violate it hypocritically, but have a massive history of doing just that, to boot, something you tried to scrub from the history books.

Current woke, has nothing to do with decency, and everything to do with wanting form control on speech, and feeling ones moral standing allows them to virtue signal to anyone who disagrees with them.

Musk apologized for his distasteful comment, which is further proof.

Especially when some of these people wanted to heap tons of "proof" this made Musk an antisemite, while then turning around and supporting chants to erase Israel from the map.

Hint. Be outraged. Its your right. At least, be so, consistently.

 

A. If you don't communicate why you're ending a relationship, no one benefits from that ending. And frankly that kind of transparency is something that public companies owe the public. Aside from that, companies with values, like people with values, have the platform and power to make the world a better place. They should speak out. It's good for society and usually good for brand and business--unless your customer base is full of degenerates.

B. It's nonsense to require historical perfection from people or businesses in order for them to do the right thing--for society and for their business. Public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders.

C. Musk is an a-hole, but he's been an a-hole for a long time. The recent spate of advertiser pullouts has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with content. Musk let the deplorables on the platform and advertisers weren't happy, but he promised their ads wouldn't be associated with that content so they stuck with it. He obviously lied--or failed--so when their brands appeared alongside toxic content they pulled out. Simple cause and effect. 

[Nationalist]

44 minutes ago, Hodad said:

A. If you don't communicate why you're ending a relationship, no one benefits from that ending. And frankly that kind of transparency is something that public companies owe the public. Aside from that, companies with values, like people with values, have the platform and power to make the world a better place. They should speak out. It's good for society and usually good for brand and business--unless your customer base is full of degenerates.

B. It's nonsense to require historical perfection from people or businesses in order for them to do the right thing--for society and for their business. Public companies have a responsibility to their shareholders.

C. Musk is an a-hole, but he's been an a-hole for a long time. The recent spate of advertiser pullouts has nothing to do with that, and everything to do with content. Musk let the deplorables on the platform and advertisers weren't happy, but he promised their ads wouldn't be associated with that content so they stuck with it. He obviously lied--or failed--so when their brands appeared alongside toxic content they pulled out. Simple cause and effect. 

OMG this is such sopping wet horseshit!

"Musk is an a-hole" As if you know the man. Many of you Libbies deified Musk until you realized he wasn't playing ball with your fascist tendencies.

He took away your play thing...boo hoo hoo.

Children...

Edited December 10, 2023 by Nationalist

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OMG this is such sopping wet horseshit!

"Musk is an a-hole" As if you know the man. Many of you Libbies deified Musk until you realized he wasn't playing ball with your fascist tendencies.

Are you completely ignorant of Musk's about face in his politics?

On his way up through the process of milking government funding for SpaceX and Tesla, HE voted Democratic.

Now that he has cashed in on his profits and become indispensable, he is showing his true colors and saying F you to the government and the corporations X needs to survive. AKA, acting stupidly out of spite.

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

He took away your play thing...boo hoo hoo.

Children...

Musk is clearly the child in this debacle. It's HIS play thing. Duh

[Nationalist]

7 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Are you completely ignorant of Musk's about face in his politics?

On his way up through the process of milking government funding for SpaceX and Tesla, HE voted Democratic.

Now that he has cashed in on his profits and become indispensable, he is showing his true colors and saying F you to the government and the corporations X needs to survive. AKA, acting stupidly out of spite.

Musk is clearly the child in this debacle. It's HIS play thing. Duh

Oh you dolt. I was liberal for many years. Until sopping wet noodles like you began dictating the agenda.

[Hodad]

16 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

OMG this is such sopping wet horseshit!

"Musk is an a-hole" As if you know the man. Many of you Libbies deified Musk until you realized he wasn't playing ball with your fascist tendencies.

He took away your play thing...boo hoo hoo.

Children...

WTF? Musk is an incredibly public figure. He's broadcasting constantly. If you aren't capable of formulating an opinion of his character based on his constant commentary, then that's yet another of your deficiencies. 

He's high IQ with zero EQ. He's an entitled, ego-maniacal man-child. And yes, a straight up a-hole. The list of incredibly shitty things he's said and done publicly is very long. 

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4 hours ago, Hodad said:

If you don't communicate why you're ending a relationship, no one benefits from that ending.

Of course. If that ending is highly suspect, and hypocritical in nature, one can't help but draw the conclusion that one is morally posturing based on political motivations, vs actually not wanting to associate their name with a brand.

Again, pulling from one brand, when you post on another algorithm based one that is plagued with the same issue, is heavily suspect.

Or, are companies like Disney, preaching morals, but showing their true colors in refusing to call out Tik Tok, because they have billions of dollars worth of interests, in China?

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

They should speak out.

100%. Not just when its convenient, and or an easy target that won't cost you a dime in consequences in going up against them. I.E Elon Musk. If fact, going against someone who is openly conservative, when your base is highly liberal, its a win.

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's good for society

How so, if they don't denounce all social media websites, which are seeing a rapid rise in antisemitic content?

Or, is comment is the only thing that is wrong. Antisemitic content is okay?

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

It's nonsense to require historical perfection

Its hypocritical to have a very racist past, and to denounce a post you deem as antisemitic. Especially if this person publicly apologized. It then becomes political posturing, to wanting to punish that company, regardless. Nothing more, nothing less.

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Musk is an a-hole

That's irrelevant, and technically your opinion. I see him as direct and no nonsense. Go to a country like China, and you wouldn't survive. People in New York are seen the same, but don't do BS, and are seen as mean typically due to it. Time is money.

4 hours ago, Hodad said:

Musk let the deplorables on the platform

Freedom of speech. As far as am concerned Twitter was always a shit show. Main reason I never had an account on it. It no longer being a safe space is why people are truly mad about it.

Describe what you mean deplorables are. People you disagree with? Because, antisemitism is literally rampant, and was even before October 7th. So be specific. What do you elude to when you talk about deplorable behavior?

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, Hodad said:

WTF? Musk is an incredibly public figure. He's broadcasting constantly. If you aren't capable of formulating an opinion of his character based on his constant commentary, then that's yet another of your deficiencies. 

He's high IQ with zero EQ. He's an entitled, ego-maniacal man-child. And yes, a straight up a-hole. The list of incredibly shitty things he's said and done publicly is very long. 

Really? Make a list. Let's see how many times Musk has hurt you feewings. 

[robosmith]

3 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Oh you dolt. I was liberal for many years. Until sopping wet noodles like you began dictating the agenda.

YOU. ARE. LYING. As usual. I and EVERYONE LIKE ME "dictate" NOTHING.

Maybe you're fantasizing about the entire group of Democratic Congressmen and the POTUS VOTING together in compliance with the Constitution.

[robosmith]

3 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

Really? Make a list. Let's see how many times Musk has hurt you feewings. 

Of course he's never offended you, as evident by your continual posted here defenses of fraud and lawlessness.

Like the dozens of a-holes convicted of sedition at Trump's urging. 

[robosmith]

Elon Musk's luck has finally run out

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Elon Musk was on a heater.

From 2019 to 2022, it seemed as if every gamble that Musk took was paying off. Tesla was consistently profitable for the first time in its history and its stock soared as its massive new Shanghai plant ramped up production. SpaceX rockets captivated the public's attention — even when they blew up, everyone still clapped. Accusations of corruption and self-dealing slid right off Musk's back. Musk could do and say anything he wanted and success followed: He was even named Time's 2021 Person of the Year.

Then Musk did what every risk-addicted blackjack player inevitably does: pushed his luck too far. Overconfidence, confirmation bias, and delusions of control led to a string of bad decisions — and BOOM — Elon's empire is in trouble again.

The change of fortune was apparent at The New York Times Dealbook Conference last week. During an interview with host Andrew Ross Sorkin, the recognizable tells that Musk's hand had gone cold were everywhere. He raged at the very people who will dictate Twitter's fate, seemed baffled by key questions about the future of his companies, and offered non-apologies for his unhinged, antisocial behavior online. Sorkin suggested Musk's brain is like a storm, but it sounded more like two cats fighting to get out of a duffle bag.

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what it looks like when Musk realizes he's in a jam entirely of his own making. I know, because we've seen it before, including back in 2018, when he nearly flew Tesla into a mountain. He may find a way to ward off calamity, as he did then, but this jam is much tighter than the last one. Musk has to contend with over $13 billion of debt still weighing down a swiftly sinking Twitter, Tesla's profits shrinking because of a lack of demand and new products, and a world that is generally sick of his schtick. In Muskland, everything is connected by money — problems at one business bleed into the others. That's why Elon is being exceptionally obstinate. It's not just your imagination — his luck has changed.

 

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

Of course. If that ending is highly suspect, and hypocritical in nature, one can't help but draw the conclusion that one is morally posturing based on political motivations, vs actually not wanting to associate their name with a brand.

Again, pulling from one brand, when you post on another algorithm based one that is plagued with the same issue, is heavily suspect.

Or, are companies like Disney, preaching morals, but showing their true colors in refusing to call out Tik Tok, because they have billions of dollars worth of interests, in China?

100%. Not just when its convenient, and or an easy target that won't cost you a dime in consequences in going up against them. I.E Elon Musk. If fact, going against someone who is openly conservative, when your base is highly liberal, its a win.

How so, if they don't denounce all social media websites, which are seeing a rapid rise in antisemitic content?

Or, is comment is the only thing that is wrong. Antisemitic content is okay?

Its hypocritical to have a very racist past, and to denounce a post you deem as antisemitic. Especially if this person publicly apologized. It then becomes political posturing, to wanting to punish that company, regardless. Nothing more, nothing less.

That's irrelevant, and technically your opinion. I see him as direct and no nonsense. Go to a country like China, and you wouldn't survive. People in New York are seen the same, but don't do BS, and are seen as mean typically due to it. Time is money.

Freedom of speech. As far as am concerned Twitter was always a shit show. Main reason I never had an account on it. It no longer being a safe space is why people are truly mad about it.

Describe what you mean deplorables are. People you disagree with? Because, antisemitism is literally rampant, and was even before October 7th. So be specific. What do you elude to when you talk about deplorable behavior?

I am a marketing leader at one at one of the headlining companies that pulled out. As soon as our brand showed up next to toxic content, there was no hesitation. There was a quick flurry of Slack conversation and we pulled the plug. We were promised a firewall from the garbage on the platform. Musk didn't deliver. End of story. If Tik Tok did the same, we'd be out. That's not who we are as a company and we don't want to be associated with toxic people and their toxic speech. 

There's no social posturing about it. Companies like Disney might have dark spots in their history, but it seems very much like you have a problem with the company today--entirely different people, from to to bottom--trying to do the right thing. As if it's better to not evolve and improve.

Deplorables are the racists, sexists, homophobes and xenophobes that spew hate and spite into our public conversation. And of course that includes anti-semitic speech. 

I live and work in NY. There's direct, and then there's a-hole. Musk is the latter. While there might be considerable overlap, direct is telling your waiter that the food was terrible.

A-hole is telling your 20+ million followers that one of the Thai soccer team rescuers is a pedophile--all because the guy criticized the submarine plan. 

A-hole is doing the same damn thing later to Yoel Roth after he quit Twitter, resulting in harassment and death threats. 

The guy is another man-child bully with an enormous, fragile ego. 

 

[Hodad]

2 hours ago, Nationalist said:

Really? Make a list. Let's see how many times Musk has hurt you feewings. 

Feelings are your department. I prefer logic.

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5 minutes ago, Hodad said:

And of course that includes anti-semitic speech. 

Posting on Tik Tok and not denouncing their content, is hypocritical.

8 minutes ago, Hodad said:

The guy is another man-child bully with an enormous, fragile ego. 

So he reminds you of Trump, and you're triggered and want to shut him down. Why not tell it like it is? You're from New York, no?

Why pretend you're doing it for the betterment of humanity (its literally doing nothing for it), while you allow another platform which has been used for antisemites and terrorists alike to thrive?

Mark Zuckerberg is an a-hole. Or, its a different type of a-hole that you're truly against? 

The type you vehemently disagree with?

 

 

[Nationalist]

3 hours ago, robosmith said:

YOU. ARE. LYING. As usual. I and EVERYONE LIKE ME "dictate" NOTHING.

Maybe you're fantasizing about the entire group of Democratic Congressmen and the POTUS VOTING together in compliance with the Constitution.

And maybe limp little fcks like you soured liberalism.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Nationalist

[Hodad]

12 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Posting on Tik Tok and not denouncing their content, is hypocritical.

So he reminds you of Trump, and you're triggered and want to shut him down. Why not tell it like it is? You're from New York, no?

Why pretend you're doing it for the betterment of humanity (its literally doing nothing for it), while you allow another platform which has been used for antisemites and terrorists alike to thrive?

Mark Zuckerberg is an a-hole. Or, its a different type of a-hole that you're truly against? 

The type you vehemently disagree with?

 

 

Do you truly not understand the difference between undesirable content existing somewhere in a platform and your ads being placed directly alongside that content?

And don't be silly. Musk would be an a-hole even if Trump had never existed. Whatever Zuckerberg may be in private, he's decidedly more composed and careful in public. It's almost as if he understands the responsibility that comes with power. 

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12 minutes ago, Hodad said:

It's almost as if he understands the responsibility that comes with power. 

That totally explains the bulk of the legal hot water he has found himself in, much of with revolve around abuse of power, and questionable ethics. Ironically, though for the former.

So, keep your dirt in courtrooms, and outside of public posts, and all is well.

Twitter has always been a dumpster fire, which is why I've never been on it. People on the hard left are angry about it no longer being a toxic environment where only their voice is heard. Its always been toxic. Now its toxic towards the wrong ideology.

[robosmith]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

And maybe limp little fcks like you soured liberalism.

I've never been "limp" in my life, so ^this is just projection cause you know nothing about me except that I'm much taller and slimmer than you.

Edited December 11, 2023 by robosmith

[robosmith]

31 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

That totally explains the bulk of the legal hot water he has found himself in, much of with revolve around abuse of power, and questionable ethics. Ironically, though for the former.

So, keep your dirt in courtrooms, and outside of public posts, and all is well.

Twitter has always been a dumpster fire, which is why I've never been on it. People on the hard left are angry about it no longer being a toxic environment where only their voice is heard. Its always been toxic. Now its toxic towards the wrong ideology.

So start ANOTHER thread about Zuck. This thread is about Musk and your whataboutism are NOT WELCOME

 

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Edited December 11, 2023 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

So start ANOTHER thread about Zuck. This thread is about Musk and your whataboutism are NOT WELCOME

 

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RoboThreadCop.

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1 hour ago, robosmith said:

This thread is about Musk

If my example is on subject, am confused how it doesn't belong.

If I illustrate gun murder rates by comparing them to countries with similar gun freedoms to the US, this doesn't soil the thread.

In fact it strengthens my argument.

Ah, now I get it.

Carry on.

[robosmith]

45 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

If my example is on subject, am confused how it doesn't belong.

If I illustrate gun murder rates by comparing them to countries with similar gun freedoms to the US, this doesn't soil the thread.

In fact it strengthens my argument.

Ah, now I get it.

Carry on.

There are no other countries with similar gun freedoms and wealth/size to the US, just as Zuck is not similar to Musk, as you've already acknowledged.

Edited December 11, 2023 by robosmith

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

There are no other countries with similar gun freedoms and wealth/size to the US, just as Zuck is not similar to Musk, as you've already acknowledged.

So you couldn't refute what i said   No surprise.

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3 hours ago, robosmith said:

Zuck is not similar to Musk

They are different, but similarly have been bullies and not so kind to others, with the immense levels of power that they had.

Zuckerberg has documented occurrences of shady business ethics, along with knowingly continuing to use his platform against the backdrop of it continuing to destroy the mental health of youth, along with other issues. 

You mentioned Musk's irresponsibility with his power, which is directly reflected by Zuckerberg.

Different men, similar issue. If anything, Zuckerberg is worse, as this not only is ongoing, but he is also being taken to task due to his shady business ethics. Ok, you're right. He is more timid socially. Means nothing.

Musk made a great point.

He comes across as mean (emotions aren't his strong point--building world changing products are) but has done plenty of good through his businesses. 

People seem to prefer the owner to be nice and or woke, and doing all their dirt behind closed doors.

As long as you toe the line like you're told to, then all is well.

Doesn't sound like that's all that good, or caring for the world.

Virtue signaling doesn't fix anything.

Edited December 11, 2023 by Perspektiv

[Guest]

8 hours ago, robosmith said:

Elon Musk's luck has finally run out

 

 

Total opinion hit piece.

Just like those on the hard left accusing him of being an antisemite, vs making a knuckleheaded and racially insensitive comment, at the worst possible moment. One he acknowledged in its poor taste, apologizing for the poor judgment. These are all left out. Has nothing to do with social improvement.

Nowhere does it mention the major wait list for the Cyber truck.

Nowhere are Tesla's stock nearly doubling this year, being mentioned.

Ever been to China? 

Tesla cars are literally everywhere. Its a symbol of wealth.

China doesn't care much for woke ideology. Is the car good, or not?

They are still industry leaders, regarding range and performance, along with battery technology and design.

I like seeing balance in a post, and there is literally none. That's not news.

Tesla still dominates their field, and while other automakers are catching up  its just that. They are catching up.

Imagine. The Cybertruck is fully made of stainless steel. Has high albeit disappointing range, but an add on pack, makes it industry leading.

Its still much lighter than one of its rivals, the Rivian.

A much bigger truck, no less.

Tesla's battery technology makes them incredibly efficient and lighter, allowing for high range, and minimizing the vehicle weight which would counter productive. 

Like I said. You're just mad he triggers you. 

Tesla is going nowhere.