QuebecOverCanada Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Aristides said: Some can and some don't. How did JT profit personally from his interference in the SNC Lavalin affair? For it to be corruption you would have to prove he was paid off to do it. Your question is a red herring. It doesn't have to be JT to profit personally to be corruption. Abuses of power and corruption that ensues can enrich allies of the government, an entity, a family member, the party, even an ideology, etc. 1 minute ago, Aristides said: Stop playing the victim. The Canadian people are the victim of corruption at the highest levels of the government, and you tell those who complain to stop playing the victim? Once again, you're the chicken defending the KFC menu. Edited November 2, 2023 by QuebecOverCanada Quote
ExFlyer Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, OftenWrong said: Is that you, Gerry Butts? Aww, somebody does not comply with your thoughts so you need to insult? Awww, poor baby LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Posted November 2, 2023 Just now, ExFlyer said: Aww, somebody does not comply with your thoughts so you need to insult? Awww, poor baby LOL Boot-licking troll, which argument have you presented except falsehoods and insults in the few posts you've made a fool out of yourself in this thread? Quote
ExFlyer Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Have you made a semblance of coherence pertaining to this thread? You haven't objected any points any member came forward with to this discussion. Once again, why are you defending the status quo, which is basically that criminal investigations are avoided, and in place, we get a committee funded $6.5M a year giving blames, sometimes, to literal corrupt politicians in our federal government? have you, a quebecer ever added anything worthwhile to anything Canadian? Aww, you don't like it if I did not object? I am not a qwuebecer I defend nothing... why do you care if i don't defend you??? Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Boot-licking troll, which argument have you presented except falsehoods and insults in the few posts you've made a fool out of yourself in this thread? Awww, aqweebecer whining...how typical. Whine if you don't get your way, whine when you do.... a fool is a queerbecerovercanada a nd that is the obvious thing here Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Posted November 2, 2023 https://www.canada.ca/en/health-canada/services/substance-use/get-help-with-substance-use.html Please consult. Now let the thread resume for those who are not totally drunk. Quote
ExFlyer Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: ....... Now let the thread resume for those who are not totally drunk. you too shall pass then some other bullshit from you will come it just never ends LOL Edited November 2, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 2, 2023 Author Report Posted November 2, 2023 Is there any moderation on this forum? I mean, drinking in moderation should be enough for ExFlyer, but I mean generally, is it possible to make sure a thread does not derail because of only one troll in general? Quote
Aristides Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 (edited) 24 minutes ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Your question is a red herring. It doesn't have to be JT to profit personally to be corruption. Abuses of power and corruption that ensues can enrich allies of the government, an entity, a family member, the party, even an ideology, etc. The Canadian people are the victim of corruption at the highest levels of the government, and you tell those who complain to stop playing the victim? Once again, you're the chicken defending the KFC menu. No it isn't. Corruption is a crime, violating ethics is not. Maybe it should be but it isn't. Edited November 2, 2023 by Aristides Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Boot-licking troll, which argument have you presented except falsehoods and insults in the few posts you've made a fool out of yourself in this thread? ExFlyer just lies without shame. As long as you keep replying to him, he'll keep lying. It's all fun and games to him. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
WestCanMan Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Aristides said: No it isn't. Corruption is a crime, violating ethics is not. Maybe it should be but it isn't. Since when isn't corruption a crime? Virtually every form of corruption has a more specific name, be it malfeasance, fraud, treason, or whatever else. The only ethics violation Trudeau committed that could legitimately be overlooked was "accepting a helicopter ride from a foreign national". I think it's normal to accept, it saves taxpayer money, why not? At best it's misfeasance, which is like malfeasance without the knowledge/intent. The WE scam and the SNC scandal were both crimes against the taxpayers of this country, he just didn't get charged. Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
Aristides Posted November 2, 2023 Report Posted November 2, 2023 50 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Since when isn't corruption a crime? Virtually every form of corruption has a more specific name, be it malfeasance, fraud, treason, or whatever else. The only ethics violation Trudeau committed that could legitimately be overlooked was "accepting a helicopter ride from a foreign national". I think it's normal to accept, it saves taxpayer money, why not? At best it's misfeasance, which is like malfeasance without the knowledge/intent. The WE scam and the SNC scandal were both crimes against the taxpayers of this country, he just didn't get charged. Try reading my post again. 1 Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 3, 2023 Author Report Posted November 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Aristides said: Try reading my post again. The thing is that he debates the validity of the the distinction between 'breaches of ethics' and 'corruption'. These two seem to be intertwined for both him and myself too. May you elaborate on how they differentiate? Quote
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 16 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: Is there any moderation on this forum? I mean, drinking in moderation should be enough for ExFlyer, but I mean generally, is it possible to make sure a thread does not derail because of only one troll in general? Awww, poor qweebecer.... feelings hurt and looking for daddy to help Boo Hoo Makes a BS thread and upset he gets fingered for it Boo Hoo Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 15 hours ago, WestCanMan said: ExFlyer just lies without shame. As long as you keep replying to him, he'll keep lying. It's all fun and games to him. Says west CON man LOL Yup, keep on keeping on, I am OK wiht it LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
myata Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) On 11/1/2023 at 9:42 AM, QuebecOverCanada said: It begs the question; has it changed anything to have no ethics commissioner during those 6 months? Nope. On 11/1/2023 at 9:42 AM, QuebecOverCanada said: Would a lack of ethics, including corruption scandals and literal abuses of power, warrant a criminal investigation rather than a blame by an ethics commisioner? In a working democracy, of course. Looks like right there's the difference. Edited November 3, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 (edited) 19 minutes ago, myata said: Nope. In a working democracy, of course. Looks like right there's the difference. Bottom line is that after what, 8 years, everyone knows the ethics commissioner has no teeth. Actually looking back, the ethics commissioner has had no teeth for decades now, with previous governments too.. To post as such here and then get upset, is just plain foolish. The entire ethics commissioner office is there just to appease a few whiners and nothing ever comes out of there to please anyone. So, keep on keeping on and whine away, nothing will change (no matter who is in command). And if you ever thought it would, you are far to naive LOL We all know all governments are reactionary and set up offices, commissions, reviews, inquiries etc to please a few and shut up complainers and nothing but paper is ever generated. Edited November 3, 2023 by ExFlyer Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 19 hours ago, Aristides said: Corruption is when someone personally profits. Trudeau's ethics violations were not corruption but they were unethical. Trudeau's family was gorging themselves at the WE trough. Trudeau even offered WE gov't money to host events which his mom ended up speaking at: https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/trudeau-government-contributed-1-18-million-to-we-day-event-in-2017-during-which-pms-mother-was-likely-paid-to-speak She made gobs of money at the WE events. WE also made cringeworthy propaganda targeted at Trudeau's Hitler youth: So, Trudeau was basically giving WE barrels full of cash and they were giving his mom and his brother gobs of money and making propaganda for him. His wife even got paid to speak for them. Gov't money -> WE -> propaganda and family cash. Keep in mind that Morneau had to resign just because he had a daughter working there for $30K/year. Trudeau's mom made way more money than that in less than 10% of the hours, plus she got over $100,000 in expenses from them, but she wasn't considered an 'employee' so it didn't count. This is just like the Biden family, where Joe can't take money from Burisma or the Chinese gov't directly, so they pay his son $80k/mo and give his brother gobs of loot and lavish contracts. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 28 minutes ago, WestCanMan said: Trudeau's family was gorging themselves at the WE trough. .... Show me any political leader in Canada that has not come out of the leadership roll with nothing. They all started with little and come out with a lot. Actually Trudeau came in with a lot and will leave with a lot more LOL Bottom line, all politicians, especially leaders, gorged themselves at the trough. Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
Aristides Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 14 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said: The thing is that he debates the validity of the the distinction between 'breaches of ethics' and 'corruption'. These two seem to be intertwined for both him and myself too. May you elaborate on how they differentiate? Corruption is when there is a personal benefit and is a crime. Something can be unethical but perfectly legal. Quote
QuebecOverCanada Posted November 3, 2023 Author Report Posted November 3, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aristides said: Corruption is when there is a personal benefit and is a crime. Something can be unethical but perfectly legal. Breaches of ethics always lead to someone getting enriched through means it's not supposed to, right? Quote
WestCanMan Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 20 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Show me any political leader in Canada that has not come out of the leadership roll with nothing. That's not how it works, jackass. You need to provide an example of someone who was bilking the system like Trudeau was. You don't just get to say "What Trudeau did was perfectly fine because every Canadian PM does it... Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: That's not how it works, jackass. You need to provide an example of someone who was bilking the system like Trudeau was. You don't just get to say "What Trudeau did was perfectly fine because every Canadian PM does it... Oh, get a job you con man loser LOL All politicians are the same. I did not say that, as usual, you are the repolitics con man, full of BS and lies. LOL Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
WestCanMan Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 38 minutes ago, ExFlyer said: Oh, get a job you con man loser LOL All politicians are the same. I did not say that, as usual, you are the repolitics con man, full of BS and lies. LOL Finding something worth replying to in your posts is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. 1 Quote If CNN gave an infinite number of monkeys an infinite number of typewriters, leftists would believe everything they typed. If you missed something on the Cultist Narrative Network, don't worry, the dolt horde here will make sure everyone hears it. "If it didn't come from CNN, it's heresy!" - leftist "intellectuals"
ExFlyer Posted November 3, 2023 Report Posted November 3, 2023 1 hour ago, WestCanMan said: Finding something worth replying to in your posts is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end. Try being original Least CON Man LOL Oh wait, you can't, too much though would have to be put into that and you have difficulty with original thought. LOL 1 Quote Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. But you are not entitled to your own facts.
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