justcrowing Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 You must have never read Harpers true feelings for this country. No, all I did was wait for results after the Gomery report. The few sacrificial lambs were slaughtered. But those who actually used the taxpayers' money to buy support are still hidden and protected. The same Gomery report that exhonerated Prime Minister Martin? The same Gomery report that praised Ralph Goodale? Yep. The very same Gomery Commission appointed by Martn. Interestingly, I recall reading somewhere that Gomery is a Liberal - could that explain why no one has been or will be punished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 You must have never read Harpers true feelings for this country. The notion that Harper is somehow not patriotic and does not love Canada has no support behind it, and the suggestion is nothing more than evidence of the intellectual and moral bankruptcy on you and the others of your ilk whose politics revolves around hate and intollerance. You got it Argus...you are on fire!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BubberMiley Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 You got it Argus...you are on fire!!! Pffftt.. Argus is a lightweight whose main debating points are "Your stoopid." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honest Politician Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 So the GST cut, which definitely helps the poor is simply bad policy. The Idea a cut to the GST will help the POOR is the biggest lie Harper is telling the Canadian public, right after his "Look, Now I'm A Liberal" charade he has put on for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newbie Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 Interestingly, I recall reading somewhere that Gomery is a Liberal - could that explain why no one has been or will be punished? Actually that wasn't his job if you read what the mandate of the Gomery commission was designed to do. http://www.gomery.ca/en/index.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 You got it Argus...you are on fire!!! Pffftt.. Argus is a lightweight whose main debating points are "Your stoopid." And you merely restate the left-wing position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
err Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 And the fact the Liberal Party consistently gets most of its donations from big corporate entities while the Conservatives get most of their donations in small amounts from middle class people is beside the point. Nice invention Argus... Have you ever really read anything about party donations ??? The Cons are the ones with the budget.... in fact, about 10 x the donations that the Liberals received last year. However, the election poll did not reflect a similar statistic, leaving one to wonder about the sources of funding..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 So the GST cut, which definitely helps the poor is simply bad policy. The Idea a cut to the GST will help the POOR is the biggest lie Harper is telling the Canadian public, right after his "Look, Now I'm A Liberal" charade he has put on for everyone. If you are on welfare, or if your income is so low that you are below the basic exemption, then an income tax cut is of no benefit to you. A GST cut, OTOH, will benefit you immediately. Has Harper made a political error with this? If, during the Monday night debate, Martin claims that Harper intends to raise taxes, Martin will just look foolish. ---- On a related note, I think Harper should cut both the GST and income taxes. The federal government should not be paying down our national debt. Canadian government bonds are an important part of Canada's capital markets. Budget surpluses and debt reduction have become foolish, harmful obsessions. It is far more important to reduce government spending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilber Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 And the fact the Liberal Party consistently gets most of its donations from big corporate entities while the Conservatives get most of their donations in small amounts from middle class people is beside the point. Nice invention Argus... Have you ever really read anything about party donations ??? The Cons are the ones with the budget.... in fact, about 10 x the donations that the Liberals received last year. However, the election poll did not reflect a similar statistic, leaving one to wonder about the sources of funding..... Seems to me that Chretien set up a nice little deal where the taxpayers get to fund the parties according to the percentage of the popular vote that they pulled and large contributions are no longer allowed. If the Conservatives have a bigger wallet it is because they are getting more small contributions. Considering Adscam, we really don't know where or how much the Liberals got in the last couple of elections or how much came out of the public purse via the back door. I would think a Liberal is the person who should be throwing stones when it comes to the source of campaign funds. I would think a Liberal is the last person who should be throwing stones when it comes to the source of campaign funds. I really should proof read this stuff better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Biblio Bibuli Posted January 7, 2006 Report Share Posted January 7, 2006 [i think Harper should cut both the GST and income taxes. Stephen Harper is dead set on fulfilling what Preston Manning was dead set on doing ..... "PUT MONEY IN PEOPLES POCKETS!!!! Still insist he'll end up with only around 115 seats?? Tsk tsk tsk tsk! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 You got it Argus...you are on fire!!! Pffftt.. Argus is a lightweight whose main debating points are "Your stoopid." Although I have been given ample cause to suspect the intelligence level of a number of posters here, I seldom resort to such as that, and if I did, I'd at least spell it right." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Argus Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 And the fact the Liberal Party consistently gets most of its donations from big corporate entities while the Conservatives get most of their donations in small amounts from middle class people is beside the point. Nice invention Argus... Have you ever really read anything about party donations ??? The Cons are the ones with the budget.... in fact, about 10 x the donations that the Liberals received last year. However, the election poll did not reflect a similar statistic, leaving one to wonder about the sources of funding..... No, it doesn't leave one to suspect any such thing, as the source of funding of the political parties is always well known - well, except for the Liberals, who apparently get at least a portion of their funding in brown paper bags delivered across the tables in small Italian diners - and in free services, including legal services, from those who know they will later be rewarded by the eventual government. A recent assessment of donations shows: the Conservative Party has a base of individual donors that is much larger than the other four parties the Liberals have many more donors donating more than $1,000 than all the other parties combined Donations of under $200 made up 77.0% of Conservative money Donations of under $200 made up 11.2% of Liberal money Donations of under $200 made up 17% of Bloc Quebecois donations Donations of under $200 made up 76.2% of NDP donations Democracy Watch 2005 So much for the theory that the Tories are in hock to the big capitalist corporations while the Liberals are the party of the little guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tml12 Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 The Conservative Party is the most communitarian and populist of the big 4. The Liberals are the party of big corporate libertarians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mowich Posted January 8, 2006 Report Share Posted January 8, 2006 Oops, sorry this does not belong here. Is there a school where you learn all the bells and whistles for forums???? And just what hallucinogenic substances have you been playing with lately Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scribblet Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 [i think Harper should cut both the GST and income taxes. Stephen Harper is dead set on fulfilling what Preston Manning was dead set on doing ..... "PUT MONEY IN PEOPLES POCKETS!!!! Still insist he'll end up with only around 115 seats?? Tsk tsk tsk tsk! I'm not making any predicitions anything can happen, but you are wrong about Harper & Preston M. Harper split with Manning because he disagreed with him on various issue3s, he did it quietly and didn't make waves about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolyNewbie Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Boy are you in for a rude awakening. Harper is going to hit the low income with the cancellation of the Liberal tax cuts. His rich friends will be the ones he protects, especially with the GST cut cause rich people pay moore GST as poor people can't afford to buy stuff that is not food, rent, mortgage, etc. Harper would turn Canada into a combination of Mulroney/Harris/Bush. God help us if he gets in. Although the liberals say that the GST tax cut is favouring the rich people, if you take a course in economics one major thing that you learn is that a consumption based tax favours the rich. Most ordinary people consume all of what they earn or get and therefore pay GST on nearly everything like transportation & housing. When your landlord pays GST then you do too although not directly. Cutting the GST will save middle class and poor people lots of money but the rich invest most of their income and therefore pay a proportionally lower GST. Goodale and other libs say things like this about the GST, not because they are true but because its part of the liberal spin. The libs are not really socialist types if you watch what they do. On the other hand if you listen to them enough you may become convinced that they are socialistic types. In fact they are authoritarians with a leaning toward the elites in this country. Think about our limited access to information and the fact that the libs let the supreme court literally take away the rights of people with siblings as lawyers (thousands of us in Ontario) as a matter of nothing more than professional convenience for lawyers. Lawyers may now freely screw their siblings out of the parents inheritances using tools such as blackmail, extortion, etc. No complaints can be made anywhere. What about their promises ? - its been a long time since I first heard the stuff on child care. Actions speak louder than words and hopefully liberal actions will lead us to an honest open governement in this election. When Harris cut welfare the libs were up in arms about it. Funny how we have a liberal government in Ontario yet I haven't read anything about big sweeping increases to welfare. What about the GST ? - I mean the libs just went crazy when Mulroney introduced it. The libs have been in power for almost 12 years. How come we still have it. Are the liberals really the authoritarian party of the elite masquerading as kind socialists ? Whats going on in Haiti ? - why can't we see what our wonderful kind left wing government is doing in Haiti ? In Iraq, were we not watching the backs of the US while they went in ? Isn't that the same thing as refusiung to help your buddy rob a store but agreeing to be his lookout ? I'm a left wing socialist myself. I'm just sick of all the lies. And I'm sick of the fact that the RCMP is always investigating them. Money just dissapears all the time with these guys. I'd vote for my local NDP canidate but he is a lawyer and no lawyer in this country will ever get my vote. I think Stephen Harper is honest and will clean up government so the next liberals that get in there will not be able to operate as usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Honest Politician Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Please explain how an individual who has $10,000 a year in disposable income saves more GST money than a person who has $100,000 disposable income? Percentage of income is a farce. You have to spend money to save money on theGST. So when you have little money to spend you save next to nothing. Who saves more the guy going to McDonalds or the guy going to the 4 star restraunt? The GST saves more for those who have more. I am assuming you have never taken a math course let alone an economics one if you can't figure that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest eureka Posted January 9, 2006 Report Share Posted January 9, 2006 Perhaps you should take that course in economics and one in simple arithmetic, too. That is all that is needed to show you the error of your beliefs. If you can't do that in tome, you might consider that virtually every econonomist in the country has said that the GST cut is a bad idea. "Left Wing Socialist" my eye. Left Wing Socialists may be driven but they are usually too intelligent to mouth that drivel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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