Citizen right: governments cannot force citizens to pay for substandard services

[ExFlyer]

26 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Your first sentence tells what kind of character you are.

Of course the government is responsible for the medical schools, number of doctors and nurses.  It is all part of the health care system which the government controls.  The government has the power to determine how many medical schools exist and everything else.  Medical schools and associations are not sovereign countries.  Wake up!

This topic is not about my character.\I repeat, You are an !diot.

Government has nothing to do with universities pumping out doctors, nurses and other medical staff. It is solely the amount of capacity the university has.

Health care begins when they graduate. Government does not have the power to make more medical schools. Medical schools are far more than just seats in classes. That seems to be far to much for you to absorb and decipher.

Foreign associations?? WTF are you on abut now LOL

Enough dealing with your !diocy, get back on topic or go back to worshipping your book.

Edited October 30, 2023 by ExFlyer

[blackbird]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Government does not have the power to make more medical schools.

Completely false.

In B.C. the NDP government has not started any new medical schools during their time in office even though many British Columbians are struggling to find a family doctor.  So they provided a small amount of money as start up funding for a new medical school, but it is obviously far less than what is needed and the school will not be able to provide any doctors until 2030.  Wow, what a failure!  Too little, too late.

"Premier David Eby announced on Monday the province is providing up to $4.9 million in start-up funding for the new school and Dr. Roger Strasser has been retained by SFU as the interim dean.

“While we have made enormous progress to strengthen public healthcare over the last five years, we know that many British Columbians are struggling to find a family doctor and waiting too long for care on a waiting list or in an emergency room,” Eby said. “This investment in the first entirely-new medical school in Western Canada in 55 years will mean more family doctors graduating each year to provide care for people.”

The timeline on the new hospital has been altered various times since it was announced during the October 2020 election campaign.

Originally a government press release quoted Health Minister Adrian Dix saying “the first graduating class could be 2023-24.” That has since been changed online to state “the first class would begin in 2023-24.”

The announcement on Monday provides further clarity on the timeline and will mean doctors will not be in the work force until closer to 2030.

There are currently nearly one million British Columbians without a family doctor.   unquote

Launch of new B.C. medical school at SFU delayed to 2026 | Globalnews.ca

[blackbird]

The BC NDP government is responsible for the failing health system and has the power to increase the number of medical school students and graduates.

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One way the province intends to improve staffing long-term is by adding 128 seats at the University of British Columbia's Faculty of Medicine. 

"This means we will see more doctors graduating from the program, and that is very good news for people in every corner of British Columbia," Kang said.

Officials said 40 undergraduate seats and 40 family medicine residency positions will be added in fall 2023, and another 48 residency positions will be phased in by fall 2028.   unquote

B.C. shares 70-point strategy for strained health-care system | CTV News

The problem is entirely the BC NDP government's fault.  They have done little and continue to do very little to meet the health care demands and crisis.

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Completely false.

In B.C. the NDP government has not started any new medical schools during their time in office even though many British Columbians are struggling to find a family doctor.  So they provided a small amount of money as start up funding for a new medical school, but it is obviously far less than what is needed and the school will not be able to provide any doctors until 2030.  Wow, what a failure!  Too little, too late.

"Premier David Eby announced on Monday the province is providing up to $4.9 million in start-up funding for the new school and Dr. Roger Strasser has been retained by SFU as the interim dean.

“While we have made enormous progress to strengthen public healthcare over the last five years, we know that many British Columbians are struggling to find a family doctor and waiting too long for care on a waiting list or in an emergency room,” Eby said. “This investment in the first entirely-new medical school in Western Canada in 55 years will mean more family doctors graduating each year to provide care for people.”

The timeline on the new hospital has been altered various times since it was announced during the October 2020 election campaign.

Originally a government press release quoted Health Minister Adrian Dix saying “the first graduating class could be 2023-24.” That has since been changed online to state “the first class would begin in 2023-24.”

The announcement on Monday provides further clarity on the timeline and will mean doctors will not be in the work force until closer to 2030.

There are currently nearly one million British Columbians without a family doctor.   unquote

Launch of new B.C. medical school at SFU delayed to 2026 | Globalnews.ca

Providing "start up" funding is hardly government control of medical schools LOL

And as you see, they delayed the funding so...no start to it.

Being without family doctors is not a BC only issue.

Nice try though LOL

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The BC NDP government is responsible for the failing health system and has the power to increase the number of medical school students and graduates.

quote

One way the province intends to improve staffing long-term is by adding 128 seats at the University of British Columbia's Faculty of Medicine. 

"This means we will see more doctors graduating from the program, and that is very good news for people in every corner of British Columbia," Kang said.

Officials said 40 undergraduate seats and 40 family medicine residency positions will be added in fall 2023, and another 48 residency positions will be phased in by fall 2028.   unquote

B.C. shares 70-point strategy for strained health-care system | CTV News

The problem is entirely the BC NDP government's fault.  They have done little and continue to do very little to meet the health care demands and crisis.

70 point strategy by BC's NDP??  Now that is a laugh.

When do the seats become available? Oh, no timeline? LOL

You are aware that residency is not university but in hospitals?

This post is a continuation of your previous BS post. Lots of blah blah blah and notihng of substance....typical NDP BS.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Providing "start up" funding is hardly government control of medical schools LOL

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Yes, the British Columbia government can start new medical schools. In fact, the government has already announced its support for establishing a new medical school at Simon Fraser University (SFU) in October 2020     unquote

It is obvious to any thinking person that the provincial government can start new medical schools if it wished to.  It simply doesn't want to spend the money.

[blackbird]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

70 point strategy by BC's NDP??  Now that is a laugh.

When do the seats become available? Oh, no timeline? LOL

You are aware that residency is not university but in hospitals?

This post is a continuation of your previous BS post. Lots of blah blah blah and notihng of substance....typical NDP BS.

The BC NDP government Ministry of Health has the power to do whatever they want with the medical system.  It requires lots of money and they are divided between many demands.  That's why the medical system has doctor and nurse shortages.   When you say the government can't do anything about the number of medical schools, medical students, doctors, etc.  you look silly.

Anybody knows the provincial governments run the medical system.

[blackbird]

31 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are aware that residency is not university but in hospitals?

Ever heard the Ministry of Health has authority over hospitals?

[ExFlyer]

40 minutes ago, blackbird said:

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Yes, the British Columbia government can start new medical schools. In fact, the government has already announced its support for establishing a new medical school at Simon Fraser University (SFU) in October 2020     unquote

It is obvious to any thinking person that the provincial government can start new medical schools if it wished to.  It simply doesn't want to spend the money.

Duhh, the funding (only 4 million) is delayed. Not even started yet.  It was in the article you linked LOL

36 minutes ago, blackbird said:

The BC NDP government Ministry of Health has the power to do whatever they want with the medical system.  It requires lots of money and they are divided between many demands.  That's why the medical system has doctor and nurse shortages.   When you say the government can't do anything about the number of medical schools, medical students, doctors, etc.  you look silly.

Anybody knows the provincial governments run the medical system.

Duhh, they say so but they haven't LOL

Yup, run it, poorly by the way, once they get into the health care system, not the educational system .

Give it up birdy, they ain't done nuthin yet...and the NDP does nuthin but promise.

13 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Ever heard the Ministry of Health has authority over hospitals?

GFYO. (not in the good way)

I do not have the tolerance to deal with stupid and you exceed my limits.

Go argue with some other bible thumper...you can both stroke yourselves.

 

Edited October 30, 2023 by ExFlyer

[I am Groot]

On 10/29/2023 at 5:55 PM, ExFlyer said:

BS, all classes are full. Have been since my daughter started over 10 years ago. Thing is, less than half graduate. they quit.

Let me explain this again. There is huge competition to get into these classes. There are far more applicants with high marks than the nursing schools can accept. So they raise the requirements higher until they can winnow those numbers down to just those they are allowed to accept. But many of those who fall below that level have very high marks and could get in if they hadn't artificially raised the requirements.

 

On 10/29/2023 at 5:55 PM, ExFlyer said:

Cannot snap your finger and make more classes and teachers and equipment for teaching, let alone dumping interns into the hospitals.

Yes, I already said that. That is why the government cannot increase the numbers too fast. They have increased both nursing and medical school positions, and also the residency and coop positions they will fund, but they can't increase them as much as we need yet.

On 10/29/2023 at 5:55 PM, ExFlyer said:

No amount of funding will have any impact without straining the existing medical workers system now. Also, if they dump a truckload of money now, no impact for at least 10+ years.Years to build schools, buy equipment, 4 to 10 years of study and then, the graduates will choose where they want to work, not where you want them .

There are ways of adjusting those desires. You can, for example, pay part of or all of a student's tuition in exchange for them agreeing to work in areas the government wants. 

On 10/29/2023 at 5:55 PM, ExFlyer said:

Government did not freeze anything,

Yes they did. There is no argument on this. The government sets the number of nursing and medical school positions as well as the number of hospital residencies and nursing coop spaces.

[I am Groot]

On 10/30/2023 at 11:51 AM, ExFlyer said:

You are an !diot.

The health care system and university medical schools (of which there are only 16 and have only been 16 for many decades) are very very separate.

Have you ever lived in Canada? You don't seem to know very much about it or its government.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/medical-school-students-1.6796481

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/hamilton/medical-school-students-1.6796481

Edited October 31, 2023 by I am Groot

[ExFlyer]

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Let me explain this again. .....

Please, please, please, do not "explain" things to me. Your explanations are useless.

2 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Have you ever lived in Canada? .....

All my life.

If you think the doctor shortage is new, clearly you have not lived in Canada. When people I know released from the military 20 years ago, there were no doctors. Took them several years to get a doctor. I got one because my daughter was in nursing school and working in a clinic and heard a doctor was setting up and I got in...

Also, you are whining about "family" doctors. Those graduating doctors can go to work where ever and in whatever sector they want. No matter how many graduate or come from elsewhere they can work in any specialty. Putting more through university does in no way guarantee your family will get a doctor. Those folks want to specialize, that is where the money is and they don't have to put up with whiners and complainers like you.

Edited October 31, 2023 by ExFlyer

[WestCanMan]

On 10/25/2023 at 3:26 PM, myata said:

In a working, functional democracy it has to be daily reality. We should have a bill to this extent. This may be the only way to assure one of the sane outcomes:

a) You get a quality service, or

b) You don't pay for a service that is below reasonable standard or does not exist.

You'll pay for what the gov't passes, sorry.

Some of my taxes helped pay for the Gesundheitspass, forcing young adults to vax and the ArriveCan app.

That's like if you had to pay for a machine that pumped CO2 into the atmosphere. (They actually exist, they're called CO2 generators lol. People use them to increase the yields in greenhouses)

[I am Groot]

20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Please, please, please, do not "explain" things to me. Your explanations are useless.

Are you saying they're too difficult for you to understand?

I included links for you to follow.

20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

If you think the doctor shortage is new,

At no point have I ever suggested the shortage of doctors or nurses is new.

20 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Also, you are whining about "family" doctors.

I'm not whining about anything. I'm simply trying to correct your evidently uncorrectable certainty that the government does not set the numbers of medical and nursing school training positions.

 

[ExFlyer]

22 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Are you saying they're too difficult for you to understand?

...

 

Not at all, I said it quite succinctly, "Please, please, please, do not "explain" things to me. Your explanations are useless. "

[myata]

On 10/31/2023 at 4:29 PM, WestCanMan said:

You'll pay for what the gov't passes, sorry.

The final phase of a democracy lifecycle. The government passes whatever it likes. The citizens who became voiceless populace don't care to notice because they couldn't do anything anyways. No idea what the word means and what it was about in the first place.