August1991 Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 (edited) Should we forbid all contact between individuals in Gaza/Palestine and Israel? How far does this idea of an embargo extend? Edited October 11, 2023 by August1991 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 Should people in Russia be able to see someone's Facebook page in Ukraine? There are people in Egypt and Lebanon who use email to talk to people in Israel. Should we stop this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 11, 2023 Report Share Posted October 11, 2023 @August1991 Look into the British Online Safety Bill, or the EU's new Digital Services Act. People are already being told what they can say and who they can say it to. Q: Just what do you think of this? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 21 hours ago, August1991 said: How far does this idea of an embargo extend? Too far without safe corridors for refugees and medical evacuees to flee and for medical aid, at the very least, to get in. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, eyeball said: Too far without safe corridors for refugees and medical evacuees to flee and for medical aid, at the very least, to get in. It's not an embargo it is a siege...it is meant to keep all the people trapped, so none of the terrorist can escape...Israel has already shut off all fuel , electricity, any supplies, including medical...it will force Palestinians to make a choice, survival or give up Hamas... The ball is in Palestinians hands...once the ground campaign starts, the death and destruction will only compound 100 times over...the longer it takes, the more Palestinians will join Hamas, and the more Israel will kill...same as the Israelis side the more soldiers they lose more will join and fight...You can only poke the bear so many times before it lashes out...this is their 9/11 and now they are going to make them pay....And the world is going to watch... Have you seen the destruction already brought to Palestinians towns...it looks like Ukraine...and thats only with 5 days of the Airforce and Arty bombings, wait until the army gets boots on the ground...there will be nothing standing , no infra structure, nothing but ruble...they will have no where to go, except find refuge in some other country...And Gaza is but one enclave that is being attacked, or looked at Lebanon, and the west bank...This conflict is going to change the power dynamics in the middle easts for sure... Israel has never done this much damage to Palestine ever, not without the world shutting it down...and today day 5 the world has said nothing of any substance...thats got to say something.... Edited October 12, 2023 by Army Guy Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: It's not an embargo it is a siege...it is meant to keep all the people trapped, it is meant to keep all the people trapped, so none of the terrorist can escape...Israel has already shut off all fuel , electricity, any supplies, including medical...it will force Palestinians to make a choice, survival or give up Hamas... The ball is in Palestinians hands... So what the heck does Israel mean when it says Gazan's can choose to flee while they can? What ball are you talking about exactly? Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 20 minutes ago, eyeball said: So what the heck does Israel mean when it says Gazan's can choose to flee while they can? What ball are you talking about exactly? they can flee to parts of the city that is Controlled by NGO's, or through Egypt, no one is getting out through Israel, i mean that would be kind of dumb would it not , it's not like they have id cards that say I'm a terrorist...Egypt has not yet said it will let refugees in or not, in the past they have let in a few, but they are afraid they won't leave, and they don't want them either... The ball is a choice they can leave or hand over Hamas, which will not happen...there is 25,000 plus members of Hamas and they own all the guns...Israel already knows they have to put boots on the ground if they want to get rid of these terrorist....they're goal is to kill off the leadership and as many of the others as they can, like i said it's not like they have signs that say I'm a terrorist they look like everyday Palestinians they will kill whom ever is resisting...or armed Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 29 minutes ago, eyeball said: Sure, that this time it will longer is all but eventually the pile of dead Gazan kids will grow to large to ignore. They should have left when they were told to will be the response? right now, i doubt you'll be given a response at least not by Israel...not to their population calls for an end to all of this...or when the US has had enough...until then nobody else response will be heard... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 12, 2023 Report Share Posted October 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Army Guy said: they can flee to parts of the city that is Controlled by NGO's, Here's what Benjamin Netanyahu told Gazan's. 1:45 into the video... "I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere" https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/10/08/leave-now-read-netanyahus-warning-to-gazans/ Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 4 hours ago, eyeball said: Here's what Benjamin Netanyahu told Gazan's. 1:45 into the video... "I say to the residents of Gaza: Leave now because we will operate forcefully everywhere" https://www.israelhayom.com/2023/10/08/leave-now-read-netanyahus-warning-to-gazans/ He did say that but the rules of war state you can not attack any red cross or red crescent or hospitals clearly marked as such...most NGO's like red cross, or other Medical NGO units will have their areas clearly marked.... the only stipulation to that is if Hamas launches attacks from such facilities, or uses them to store weapons' or ammo...then it forfeits it's protection and can be marked as a target...example of that was the mosque that was bombed Hamas fighters where using it too operate out of ...and it was destroyed... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 3 hours ago, Army Guy said: the rules of war state you can not attack any red cross or red crescent or hospitals clearly marked as such..... the only stipulation to that is if Hamas launches attacks from such facilities, or uses them to store weapons' or ammo... And since Israel knows Hamas will do this their collateral damage claims ring hollow... It should be clear Hamas is trying to provoke this and I'd suggest that providing safe corridors for evacuees would put Hamas in a bit of a spot. If Hamas wants to be seen preventing people from getting their kids out let that be on their heads. Gaza isn't going anywhere and time is on Israel's side. A ground war is exactly what Hamas wants because it's the casualties are its oxygen. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Army Guy Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, eyeball said: And since Israel knows Hamas will do this their collateral damage claims ring hollow... It should be clear Hamas is trying to provoke this and I'd suggest that providing safe corridors for evacuees would put Hamas in a bit of a spot. If Hamas wants to be seen preventing people from getting their kids out let that be on their heads. Gaza isn't going anywhere and time is on Israel's side. A ground war is exactly what Hamas wants because it's the casualties are its oxygen. Israel has already warned all the Palestinian to get out there is no safe places, the corridor is to Egypt...is already established, the bombing that occurred on the corridor was Hamas stopping people from leaving... only it did not work...people that want to leave are leaving...those that remain will be collateral damage. Hamas has been provoking these attacks for decades, and nothing has worked to get them to stop, now Israel will try something new, they will make that city not fit for humans....and the world will look and watch it happen...Time is not on Israel side...time just means more Israelis citizens are going to die, unless Hamas is eradicated. which your going to see in the days to come... Nobody cares what Hamas wants...at this point in time, all that matters is their destruction, and like i said before Israelis are ready to give up , and them and the US are the only ones that can stop this...These people hate each other, not like we know hate, but real un abated hate, enough to cut the heads off children hate ... watch some video's of how Palestinian children describe Israelis, and what they want to do with them...this will end only one way... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyeball Posted October 13, 2023 Report Share Posted October 13, 2023 20 minutes ago, Army Guy said: These people hate each other, not like we know hate, but real un abated hate Oh well, at least they have that in common. You have to start somewhere. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 15, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2023 On 10/12/2023 at 3:38 PM, Army Guy said: It's not an embargo it is a siege...it is meant to keep all the people trapped,. Well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 16, 2023 Report Share Posted October 16, 2023 On 10/11/2023 at 8:19 AM, Nationalist said: @August1991 Look into the British Online Safety Bill, or the EU's new Digital Services Act. People are already being told what they can say and who they can say it to. Q: Just what do you think of this? @August1991 I notice you neglected to answer my question. What do you think of the EU and Britain censoring whatever they don't like? Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 18, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 8:33 AM, Nationalist said: @August1991 I notice you neglected to answer my question. What do you think of the EU and Britain censoring whatever they don't like? ArmyGuy made a remarkable distinction: A siege means no one can exit. An embargo means no can enter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nationalist Posted October 18, 2023 Report Share Posted October 18, 2023 8 hours ago, August1991 said: ArmyGuy made a remarkable distinction: A siege means no one can exit. An embargo means no can enter. @Army Guy has the balls to answer questions when asked. Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
August1991 Posted October 21, 2023 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2023 Heck, Biden wants to support Ukraine and Hamas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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