Solution: US Federal VAT, Consumption tax

[August1991]

This is so obvious. The US federal government must impose a sales tax.

Like Canada, about 5% would work. Like Canada, it could ignore rent and most food items.

If Trump gets re-elected, I reckon that he'll do it.

Mulroney did.

[robosmith]

9 minutes ago, August1991 said:

This is so obvious. The US federal government must impose a sales tax.

Like Canada, about 5% would work. Like Canada, it could ignore rent and most food items.

If Trump gets re-elected, I reckon that he'll do it.

Mulroney did.

Of course. Only a Republican would do it, because they're forever trying to make taxes more regressive.

And there's no plan to make VAT progressive.

People who benefit the most from our government policies, should be paying a higher rate.

[August1991]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

Of course. Only a Republican would do it, because they're forever trying to make taxes more regressive.

And there's no plan to make VAT progressive.

People who benefit the most from our government policies, should be paying a higher rate.

The US is the only civilised state without a central VAT, federal sales tax.

You Americans will have to impose such a tax: whether a Republican or Democrat president signs the bill, I don't know.

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IMHO, it will take a president with courage to change things.

Edited October 11, 2023 by August1991

[August1991]

1 hour ago, robosmith said:

People who benefit the most from our government policies, should be paying a higher rate.

A tax on consumption does that. The government should tax when people buy - not when they earn,

It is also easier to collect since there are fewer points to monitor.

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In the US, you soon will hear all these various arguments.  

 

[robosmith]

39 minutes ago, August1991 said:

The US is the only civilised state without a central VAT, federal sales tax.

You Americans will have to impose such a tax: whether a Republican or Democrat president signs the bill, I don't know.

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IMHO, it will take a president with courage to change things.

Only a Republican would do it because it is better for their wealthy constituents. ? 

31 minutes ago, August1991 said:

A tax on consumption does that. The government should tax when people buy - not when they earn,

It is also easier to collect since there are fewer points to monitor.

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In the US, you soon will hear all these various arguments.  

 

Those "arguments" rear their ugly head here all the time; and get shot down.

Every purchase is NOT "fewer points."

[August1991]

16 minutes ago, robosmith said:

Those "arguments" rear their ugly head here all the time; and get shot down.

Every purchase is NOT "fewer points."

Mulroney had the courage to impose such a federal tax. Moreover, he made the tax visible.

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To solve your fiscal problems, you Americans will soon impose a federal consumption tax, VAT, GST.

If the Democrats impose it, it will be like in Europe:  hidden in the price.

If the Republicans do it, it will be like in Canada: complicated.  

[August1991]

2 hours ago, robosmith said:

Of course. Only a Republican would do it, because they're forever trying to make taxes more regressive.

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In Canada, we can't deduct provincial and property taxes from our federal taxes.

Trump changed your tax law to make it like Canada.

I was astonished to learn that before Trump, people in California could deduct their State/Property Taxes from federal taxes.

In Montreal, imagine what would happen if the city and province could say: your local taxes are deductible from federal taxes. Trump abolished this.

For Canadians: this is SALT. (Search on Google.) 

[robosmith]

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

In Canada, we can't deduct provincial and property taxes from our federal taxes.

Trump changed your tax law to make it like Canada.

Nope. They just limited the amount.

9 hours ago, August1991 said:

I was astonished to learn that before Trump, people in California could deduct their State/Property Taxes from federal taxes.

In Montreal, imagine what would happen if the city and province could say: your local taxes are deductible from federal taxes. Trump abolished this.

For Canadians: this is SALT. (Search on Google.) 

Not "abolished." So tell us what you imagine would happen.

[herbie]

You forget that the only word that scares Americans more than "socialist" is "tax". About the only truly bipartisan fact.

But in spite of being shown ways to implement and make it fair by every other country on the planet, just like national health, they won't shut up and listen. Just keep blabbing the its a tax, a tax, a tax...aaauuuugghhhheeeee!

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Edited October 11, 2023 by herbie

[reason10]

22 hours ago, August1991 said:

This is so obvious. The US federal government must impose a sales tax.

Like Canada, about 5% would work. Like Canada, it could ignore rent and most food items.

If Trump gets re-elected, I reckon that he'll do it.

Mulroney did.

I have no problem with that. Just simply overturn the 16th Amendment and have a national sales tax, which would be the FAIREST tax of all.

NO American president will even hint at such a thing. Getting it past Congress would be impossible, since Congress makes MILLIONS by selling tax breaks thanks to the Income  Tax.

[August1991]

On 10/11/2023 at 11:26 PM, reason10 said:

...NO American president will even hint at such a thing. Getting it past Congress would be impossible

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Mulroney did the GST in his second term.

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You Americans need a federal VAT. Trump is the kind of politician to do it.

[August1991]

On 10/11/2023 at 11:26 PM, reason10 said:

I have no problem with that. Just simply overturn the 16th Amendment...

I'm not American. But how does the US 16th Amendment forbid a federal sales tax?

[reason10]

15 hours ago, August1991 said:

I'm not American. But how does the US 16th Amendment forbid a federal sales tax?

The 16th Amendment is the INCOME TAX. Before ANY new taxes can be considered, the income tax has got to go. PERIOD.

[reason10]

16 hours ago, August1991 said:

Mulroney did the GST in his second term.

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You Americans need a federal VAT. Trump is the kind of politician to do it.

Several politicians who were running for president (and even Steve Forbes) suggested something different from our KGB driven income tax.

I have no problem with the VAT tax. It is the FAIREST tax of all. But the income tax has got to go.

NO Republican in Congress will vote to INCREASE more taxation on a country that has been so economically butt fugged by an unelected Pedophile named Biden. And no Democrat would DARE put himself/herself in the gun sites of the "DEMOCRATS RAISE TAXES" crowd.

A president cannot overturn a Constitutional Amendment. A president cannot erase Title 26 from the U.S. Code. Without Congress, NO president can do this.

Ronald Reagan was the greatest and most popular president in the history of America. And even HE couldn't get jack schit from the Nazi Democrats in Congress.

[August1991]

On 10/11/2023 at 12:33 PM, robosmith said:

Nope. They just limited the amount.

Not "abolished." So tell us what you imagine would happen.

Montreal would become like Portland Oregon - a city that I recently visited.

Empty.

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In Canada, we pay various taxes:

- school tax (depending on religion)

- property tax (if you own)

- provincial income tax

- federal income tax

- GST (on each purchase)

In Canada, none of these taxes are deductible from the other.

 

 

 

[August1991]

Montreal and Quebec are civilised places because we have the tax laws that Trump wants for all Americans.

-I know that this is radical, but until Trump, I had never heard of SALT

-to me Trump, is a buffoon 

Yet it is obvious that the US federal government needs to collect a value added tax.

Edited October 15, 2023 by August1991

[Michael Hardner]

The solution, once again, is to tax working people... the same ones whose programs are being cut...