Canadian Muslims to stage 'Million Person March' to protest against Trudeau Liberal's push for LGBTQ indoctrination in schools

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

We don't re-elect Trudeau.

Elect PP and it all goes away like carbon taxes? 

[Michael Hardner]

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

You’re so out of touch with what’s going on in schools and culturally to hold that position.  Kids are being manipulated, confused, and abused by a system beholden to the views of radical activists.  Stop being so oblivious and enabling.  Smarten up.  

What is your authority over me in this area exactly?

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

What is your authority over me in this area exactly?

Good sense

[Michael Hardner]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Good sense

Ok, so you DON'T have family and friends in the system, teaching and administration staff?  And you don't have kids in the system?

You just have your self-described good sense... which tells you what exactly?  That the vast majority of parents are being pushed around by a minority of LGBTQ activists?  The government is too afraid to do anything, and people just go along with it?

 

Is that your good sense then?

 

[Guest]

6 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

It isn't the same. It should be treated the same. We shouldn't pretend it isn't different, just as we shouldn't act like they are doing anything wrong, if both are consenting adults.

But when you cross the line, and state a man becomes a woman when they say so, you stop your movement dead in its tracks. This party, has hijacked the movement, demanding strict adherence to how they feel inside.

This isn't supported by any facts, and driving it down throats with force, won't change this.

For the latter, I essentially disagree that this is how you build tolerance, as in most places in the world,  a man with a beard wearing a dress is either a cross dresser or gay.

Only in the west, must we approve the womanhood of such a person,  no questions asked.

 

5 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

That’s not really true though, is it?  A gay couple can only maintain a family artificially, through either artificial insemination, in vitro. or by adopting.  Of course adopting means adopting a child that’s the result of male and female sexual intercourse.  There are many infertile heterosexual couples who would like to adopt, but activist adoption agencies give the babies to gay couples.  Of course there’s no discussion about whether a child is better off with a male and female mother and father set of role models.  We call them parents. There’s also no question as to whether it’s better to try to have a biological natural connection to one’s child than to get a baby from other parents or test tubes.  Do you see any problem with this push to get away from what is natural? I thought you were into nature.

Yup, we need to seriously hit reverse on promoting the panoply of selected genders and orientations. I used to believe in tolerance, but now that I see our kids being manipulated to believe and do things that are antithetical to nature, let alone religion, I think the whole LGBTQ+ movement requires serious reconsideration.  Our kids are at much greater risk of mental health problems and suicide from the promotion of these ideas than they were before the flags and gender affirmation entered our schools.  I also think our very civilization is at risk from this movement.

It's exactly the same.  You don't like it, so you bring up beards and dresses and selected genders.  I was talking about homosexual relationships.

It's also perfectly natural.  Homosexuality has been around as long as there was sex.

Anyone who thinks religion has a say in the matter is not worth responding to.

[Guest]

4 hours ago, CdnFox said:

And when they say "i'm not sure that's true" you beat them right?  or repress their right to speak? Or kick them out of the school as we've already seen.

Then 'their" side gets up in arms over it and strikes back. Which we're seeing now.

You absolutely do NOT teach tolerance that way.

Sorry - but you cannot teach tolerance without becoming intolerant, and that just spreads more intolerance, not tolerance.

I disagree.  That's exactly how you teach tolerance.

That there are intolerant people on both sides of the argument is definitely a problem, but one that has to be overcome.

Edited August 7, 2023 by bcsapper
Overly harsh. I regretted my language.

[Guest]

5 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Already was that way when I went to school in this country, some 4 decades ago. I realize it may not bevthe same where some of you people were brought up.You being the immigrants here.

Let's be clear: Canadians don't need  a "correction" in our thinking towards gays. It's the immigrants.

I'm okay, having been brought up properly. 

Some Canadians are natural born bigots, as are some immigrants. 

The immigrants could be weeded out somewhat by explaining to them at the border just what sort of country they are entering, and if they don't like it they can fück off back where they came from.  Not much one can do about the natural born ones except mock them.

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

Same with atheism.

Absolutely.  Given more emphasis than religion. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

Ok, so you DON'T have family and friends in the system, teaching and administration staff?  And you don't have kids in the system?

You just have your self-described good sense... which tells you what exactly?  That the vast majority of parents are being pushed around by a minority of LGBTQ activists?  The government is too afraid to do anything, and people just go along with it?

 

Is that your good sense then?

 

Yes they are.  It’s being pushed by the Equity Officers.  It’s central to school board plans.
 

I have family and friends in the system and I don’t want to comment on my own significant connection.  

[Guest]

10 hours ago, Michael Hardner said:

I think maybe we need to publicize the process of public discussion.

Religious people and everyone else gets to make their case for what should constitute public education.

People who make apocalyptic claims should be shunted to the side, due to reduced credibility.

More discussion is always a good idea.  Even if one has to enforce civility.

Agree on the apocalypse crowd, disagree on the religious people thing.  Religion should play no role whatsoever in education.  Religious people should have no say in the curriculum.

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

More discussion is always a good idea.  Even if one has to enforce civility.

Agree on the apocalypse crowd, disagree on the religious people thing.  Religion should play no role whatsoever in education.  Religious people should have no say in the curriculum.

So some people’s opinions are counted but not others. Atheists are good people. Religious people are subhuman, got it.  

Edited August 7, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

So some people’s opinions are counted but not others. Atheists are good people. Religious people are subhuman, got it.  

Not at all.  Any atheist that says the curriculum should be based on the supposed opinions of a fairy tale creature, handed down through thousands of years of revisions and translations, should also be given short shrift.

But you're right.  My comment was poorly worded.  Any religious person who wants a say in the matter without referring to their religion should be given the same consideration as anyone else.

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Not at all.  Any atheist that says the curriculum should be based on the supposed opinions of a fairy tale creature, handed down through thousands of years of revisions and translations, should also be given short shrift.

But you're right.  My comment was poorly worded.  Any religious person who wants a say in the matter without referring to their religion should be given the same consideration as anyone else.

I can turn around and say that Marxists, atheists, and nihilists don’t get input, which means you would get no say.  I certainly think that your opinions are far more dangerous than those of most religious people I know.  

[Guest]

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

I can turn around and say that Marxists, atheists, and nihilists don’t get input, which means you would get no say.  I certainly think that your opinions are far more dangerous than those of most religious people I know.  

Yeah, you could.

I'm aware of what you think of what you think are my opinions.

[Michael Hardner]

32 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

 Religion should play no role whatsoever in education.  Religious people should have no say in the curriculum.

Difficult.  Ones morality is often formed through religious views, and no one should be excluded based on ethnicity, creed or religion.

[Michael Hardner]

44 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes they are.  It’s being pushed by the Equity Officers.  It’s central to school board plans.
 

I have family and friends in the system and I don’t want to comment on my own significant connection.  

What about my other questions?

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Michael Hardner said:

What about my other questions?

 

The answer is that they are too afraid.

I have lived the dream of sitting through equity training sessions with activists saying things that are highly contestable if not blatantly fallacious in a room full of people who are petrified to say what they think because their jobs are on the line.   It’s not only toxic, it’s borderline abusive, because the tone is accusatory, damning, and closed to critique.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Guest]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Difficult.  Ones morality is often formed through religious views, and no one should be excluded based on ethnicity, creed or religion.

No-one should be excluded, but their views should be, if necessary.  A Christian's view of homosexuality, generally, just involves social discrimination.  A Muslim's view of homosexuality can go all the way to proscription, even unto the death penalty.

[Michael Hardner]

13 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No-one should be excluded, but their views should be, if necessary.  A Christian's view of homosexuality, generally, just involves social discrimination.  A Muslim's view of homosexuality can go all the way to proscription, even unto the death penalty.

They get to speak, as long as they're not contravening policies around hate speech etc.

[Zeitgeist]

14 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

No-one should be excluded, but their views should be, if necessary.  A Christian's view of homosexuality, generally, just involves social discrimination.  A Muslim's view of homosexuality can go all the way to proscription, even unto the death penalty.

Well the law of the land says that someone cannot be discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, except where such rights infringe on religious rights. There’s no death penalty in Canada.  You may not like Muslims’ views on homosexuality, but they are entitled to live according to their faith.  The irony of course is that it was left wing people who overlooked all forms of “anti-western” behaviours, such as face coverings for women, as long as it ticked the Diversity box.  Now that it turns out most Muslims don’t support the radical left agenda, the left are recanting.  I’m gaining new respect for Muslims because they’ll stand up for their beliefs, including the belief in natural family life, which all people should support.  The radical left won’t figure it out until their kids are regretting their gender transition surgery and begging for assisted suicide.  Muslims saw this coming.  They’ve reminded Christians that some things are worth defending.  Some atheists are seeing it too.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, bcsapper said:

I disagree.  That's exactly how you teach tolerance.

 

Well you're wrong,,  Want proof? Look around you.  That WAS how it was taught - and now instead of the acceptance we DID have hatred is on the rise and growing worse.  Sorry - doesn't work. It is almost impossible to demand tolerance of one thing without being intolerant of something else, and those people will fight back sooner or later.

THe closest you can come is to try to get people to be respectful AND tolerant of those who are different than they are.  Which means, don't bug them and they don't bug you when it comes to that specific issue (religion, politics, sex, whatever).  We have NONE of that right now, Everyone is tribal and hates everyone else.

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That there are intolerant people on both sides of the argument is definitely a problem, but one that has to be overcome.

Well first off no it doesn't.  Let them be intolerant.  If you demand people accept gays then you have to be willing to accept those who don't like gays. That's what "TOLERANCE" is, 

The best you can do is demand that they don't DO anything intolerant. That's where respect for differences comes in. And they need to respect YOUR differences.

But you can't "overcome" them.  A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still, and trying to repress an idea has a funny way of making it grow.

And second  -  the number of intolerant and disrespectful people is growing .  On both sides. Quickly. And it's about to erupt. And that is after we tried it your way.

It's an epic fail.  We simply can't win trying to teach that way.

 

[CdnFox]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The irony of course is that it was left wing people who overlooked all forms of “anti-western” behaviours, such as face coverings for women, as long as it ticked the Diversity box.  Now that it turns out most Muslims don’t support the radical left agenda, the left are recanting.

This.  It's kind of disgusting to watch.

I've already seen indy media referring to these muslims as the 'radical right'. As if muslims generally love gays and are shocked that some of their people don't appreciate having pride forced down their throats.

[Michael Hardner]

19 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The answer is that they are too afraid.

I have lived the dream of sitting through equity training sessions with activists saying things that are highly contestable if not blatantly fallacious in a room full of people who are petrified to say what they think because their jobs are on the line.   It’s not only toxic, it’s borderline abusive, because the tone is accusatory, damning, and closed to critique.

But parents don't have their jobs on the line.  They're accepting of tolerance being taught in schools, overwhelmingly.

All attempts to frame this as some kind of unfair situation are false, and people are starting to recognize the constant hyperbole and exaggeration from the anti -tolerance league.

Edited August 7, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[Guest]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well the law of the land says that someone cannot be discriminated against on the basis of sexual orientation, except where such rights infringe on religious rights. There’s no death penalty in Canada.  You may not like Muslims’ views on homosexuality, but they are entitled to live according to their faith.  The irony of course is that it was left wing people who overlooked all forms of “anti-western” behaviours, such as face coverings for women, as long as it ticked the Diversity box.  Now that it turns out most Muslims don’t support the radical left agenda, the left are recanting.  I’m gaining new respect for Muslims because they’ll stand up for their beliefs, including the belief in natural family life, which all people should support.  The radical left won’t figure it out until their kids are regretting their gender transition surgery and begging for assisted suicide.  Muslims saw this coming.  They’ve reminded Christians that some things are worth defending.  Some atheists are seeing it too.

They are not entitled to expect anyone else to live according to their faith.  You're right about many on the left, of course.

[CdnFox]

Just now, Michael Hardner said:

But parents don't have their jobs on the line. 

They have their children on the line.  People might shut up for their job..... but F*ck around with their kids and find out.

It gets worse from here.  The intolerance of the left is creating a pressure that's going to pop.

[Michael Hardner]

Let's not fail to point out that the same people who were ringing the alarms about Muslim immigration and lack of assimilation are glad to have allies in this new battle... In which they are now ringing alarm bells about drag queens taking over.

My hope is that the normal people are going to start to see their paranoia for what it is.