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[Army Guy]

6 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

The Army always had the most personnel. They also had the largest turnover of personnel

In Europe, they parade with military equipment and drive through towns and villages. We do not do that here in Canada. They have ten, twenty times the number of military bases than we have in Canada.

I live in  a Canadian city,..... no guns. I have no doubt the conservatives will get in and I also have no doubt that there will be no changes in the gun laws.

Not sure what to say, the army is the largest element for good reason, nobody is forced into the army they are given a choice of all 3 elements and they choose Army...it's not a sin, it just more exciting to blow shit up...than fix air planes...

There was no parades just massive military exercises,war games that ran for a entire month, across the german country side, involving up to 150 k troops and equipment.. that included Army and air force...wanted to see a tank battle all you had to do was look out your back door, same as in the air dog fights with all kinds of NATO aircraft were common occurrences...  Here in Canada the army on a rare occasion will exercise in the public domain, but the restrictions are much more severe...instead for the most part they seclude the military to training areas out of the public eye... 

I think most of on this forum live in a Canadian city or township, if your implying that your statement means there are no guns you'd be wrong...but not everyone in ontario is gun free, hunting , fishing outdoor sports is alive and well, but then again in Ontario one can be charged for a weapons charge for squirting a water gun... Thats taking this gun control a little to far....So if those in ontario feel safer with their kids not having water guns or foam darts...thats democracy in action..Here in New Brunswick we prefer to teach our kids how to use hunting tools (real guns)at an early age and look at water guns and ones that shoot foam darts, as harmless toys...As for the conservatives actions your right everything PP has said is a big question mark, and we will have to wait and see....my money is going to be all this useless gun control the liberals are taking will be put to bed...

https://globalnews.ca/news/10753801/ontario-weapon-charge-water-gun/

 

[ExFlyer]

34 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Not sure what to say, the army is the largest element for good reason, nobody is forced into the army .......

think most of on this forum live in a Canadian city or township, if your implying that your statement means there are no guns you'd be wrong...but not everyone in ontario is gun free, hunting , fishing outdoor sports is alive and well, but then again in Ontario one can be charged for a weapons charge for squirting a water gun... Thats taking this gun control a little to far....So if those in ontario feel safer with their kids not having water guns or foam darts...thats democracy in action..Here in New Brunswick we prefer to teach our kids how to use hunting tools (real guns)at an early age and look at water guns and ones that shoot foam darts, as harmless toys...As for the conservatives actions your right everything PP has said is a big question mark, and we will have to wait and see....my money is going to be all this useless gun control the liberals are taking will be put to bed...

 

Look, not arguing with you.

The army always had the most personnel. You say that repeatedly and no one is disputing that.

They also have the greatest turnover. People join, serve a short time and get out.

The army is also the one that has the biggest retention problem. You also keep saying this.

That is all I am saying.

Never said there are no guns, I know there are. What I said is of you think the conservatives are going to change the gun laws, you are dreaming.

Charged for a squirt gun?? A wee bit over the edge aren't you LOL.

Edited September 19, 2024 by ExFlyer

[Army Guy]

17 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

And they took heavy casualties and failed to seize their objective which is why they don’t do it it anymore 

Combat SAR is a very small number of specialized helos and personnel involved, very different from air assault

BVS-10 is much bigger, slower, noisier, requires more maintenance and logistics, cannot fit inside a chinook in fact at 12,500 kg it barely makes the chinook’s 12,700 kg max payload. It’s not a light vehicle which is the capability the army s looking for with this procurement. Not everything has to be an armoured combat vehicle. 
 

 

Look the US has many complete Light infantry divisions, the 82 and, and 101 st still practice and conduct airborne and air assualts missions. If modern air defense systems make doing these mission obsolete i think we would have heard of them re rolling them into something else...Meanwhile here in Canada, our Light Infantry also still train for air assualts and air bourne missions...are they acquiring vehicles to add to their fleet sure they are...that does not mean they are re rolling their mission state...

You said they are no longer using Helo's because of modern air defenses...and yet they are still using them as a form of transport, still using transport aircraft, still using attack helos, and on occasion still using medi vac Helos...Now i'm sure that if a mission came up that requires the use of light infantry in some air assaults then it would be considered...Not much call for air mobile or airborne mission when your defensive for the most part. 

And despite all these draw backs as you say, the British  Royal marines and British Airborne forces  have used them in combat in Afghanistan, as they were much better than open air vehicles... and almost every artic or near artic country has them in their inventory...BVS10 has a proven track record of performance when operating in northern parts of the country,including in Marshes, swamps, over ice pacts, open water, lakes and rivers, operating in heavily wood terrain..places you pick up is not going and it can do that in all seasons...

Thats what we said in afghanistan, not everything needs to be armored.....it was way cooler to ride around in an open air ilitis jeeps until a few of them got blown up, with no survivors....do that a few times and you quickly change your mind...even our wheeled vehicles got up armored....or take a 3 hour road move in minus 40 does the same thing changes your mind...

According the the british all of their BVS 10 are fully transportable by chinook either as a complete unit or separated. Yes they do not have to be operated with both units together...and can be quickly attached back together within minutes...

It may not fit into the category of light vehicle...but for Canada it makes more sense to have an all around vehicle that can do more than a pick up in all weather states...and besides was it not you that said they don't do Airmobile operations any more...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BvS10#Royal_Marines

Edited September 19, 2024 by Army Guy

[I am Groot]

The whole shipbuilding program should be examined and the books of the shipbuilders closely audited. Everything we build is years late, billions over budget, and cost far more than similar vessels other countries are building. What in God's name are they putting into these replenishment ships that justifies a cost of three billion dollars each?! If the first is actually launched next year it will be 13 years late. This is not a warship. It doesn't have all kinds of fancy sensors and weapons systems. It's a freighter/oiler that can transfer fuel and supplies to another ship at sea. It shouldn't be that hard to build the damned thing.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/naval-supply-ship-budget-increase-of-almost-1-billion-blamed-on-problems-encountered-building-vessels-extra-labour-costs

Edited September 19, 2024 by I am Groot

[Army Guy]

24 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Look, not arguing with you.

The army always had the most personnel. You say that repeatedly and no one is disputing that.

They also have the greatest turnover. People join, serve a short time and get out.

The army is also the one that has the biggest retention problem. You also keep saying this.

That is all I am saying.

Never said there are no guns, I know there are. What I said is of you think the conservatives are going to change the gun laws, you are dreaming.

Charged for a squirt gun?? A wee bit over the edge aren't you LOL.

Believe me i could not make that stuff up if i tried ....read the attached story....she got a weapons' charge over squirting her neighbor with a water gun....Her job has suspended her until this is cleared up....Originally i thought this was in BC becasue all the crazy sh!t that happens is in BC, but nope this happened in Ontario, maybe it's something in the water...that makes people do this stuff, and the cops...went and charged her, more crazy sh!t how do you do that with a straight face...how did they explain that to her kids...

[Army Guy]

8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

The whole shipbuilding program should be examined and the books of the shipbuilders closely audited. Everything we build is years late, billions over budget, and cost far more than similar vessels other countries are building. What in God's name are they putting into these replenishment ships that justifies a cost of three billion dollars each?! If the first is actually launched next year it will be 13 years late. This is not a warship. It doesn't have all kinds of fancy sensors and weapons systems. It's a freighter/oiler that can transfer fuel and supplies to another ship at sea. It shouldn't be that hard to build the damned thing.

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/naval-supply-ship-budget-increase-of-almost-1-billion-blamed-on-problems-encountered-building-vessels-extra-labour-costs

Our ship building industry died years ago, and should have been left dead...South Korea could have already built everything we needed years ago...even the British went over seas to build their Supply ships, on time for a 1/2 the cost...This whole ship building project is nothing more than wealth redistribution to major Canadian companies, that don't even produce quality products,  just look at the swimming pools in each of the AOPS ships...cancel the whole thing out source it and save billions in doing so...

[Dougie93]

20 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Believe me i could not make that stuff up if i tried ....read the attached story....she got a weapons' charge over squirting her neighbor with a water gun...

lunatic leftist Liberal Canada in a nutshell

[BeaverFever]

First submarine in new Canadian fleet won't be operational until 2037, navy confirms

No details have been released about the budget for the project, but former naval officers estimate it could cost in the $100 billion range.

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Published Sep 23, 2024  •  Last updated 10 hours ago  •  3 minute read

Canada’s proposed new submarines will be required to launch and recover underwater drones and patrol covertly for a minimum of 21 days, defence industry representatives have been told.

But the first submarine won’t actually be operating with the Royal Canadian Navy until 2037, noted various Department of National Defence (DND) briefings obtained by the Ottawa Citizen.

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Defence Minister Bill Blair’s office announced Sept. 16 that information will be requested from naval firms about their capabilities in building the new boats.

But naval officers have already outlined to the companies what they need for the new submarines in a series of briefings presented over the last two years and obtained by the Ottawa Citizen. More details have also been added with the government’s recently issued request for information that was provided to companies.

The new subs will have to be capable of operating undetected for a range of 7,000 nautical miles, as well as a minimum of 21 days of continuous dived operations.

The briefings to industry stipulated that the subs be capable of no less than 60 days of self-sustained operations. On board communication systems must be compatible with the U.S. military.

The submarines will be able to deploy and recover drones as well as smaller crewed underwater systems, industry officials have also been told.

Even though Blair stated that information is now being gathered the project will take 13 years to actually deliver an operational submarine. Canada doesn’t expect to have initial operating capability for the first sub until 2037, according to the briefings. The Royal Canadian Navy does not have an idea at this time when the entire fleet will be available.

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The boats will need to operate under the ice in the Arctic but only for limited periods of time.

No details have been released about the budget for the project, but former naval officers who have examined the request for information told the Ottawa Citizen that the cost of the program will be in the $100 billion range.

The documents presented to industry Sept. 16 requested information on the production cost for acquiring eight or 12 submarines.

Canadian defence officials have already met with officials from South Korea, Spain, France and Sweden about conventional-powered subs. Norway and Germany have also pitched Canada about a program for such subs.

The Conservative party has supported an immediate replacement program for the Victoria-class submarines.

Canada currently operates four used Victoria-class submarines bought second hand from the British. Those were delivered between 2000 and 2004.

DND spokeswoman Frédérica Dupuis noted the Victoria-class submarines service life comes to an end between 2034 through 2040, and Canada’s intent is to avoid a capability gap in that time period.

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In April 2023, the Ottawa Citizen reported that the Royal Canadian Navy had made a pitch to the Liberal government for the purchase of as many as 12 new conventional-powered submarines at an initial cost of $60 billion. The navy had been pushing for the acquisition of those submarines to be included in the Liberal government’s Defence Policy Update, but that wasn’t done.

But increasing pressure from Canada’s allies to spend more on defence put the submarine purchase back on the agenda.

During the April 8, 2024 announcement of the government’s new defence policy, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau suggested that nuclear submarines might also be considered by Canada.

DND officials later confirmed that nuclear submarines are not being considered.

Besides the multi-billion dollar price tag for the submarines there are other potential hurdles for the proposed purchase.

In the past, the navy has had trouble training enough submariners to crew its current fleet of four boats, let alone eight or 12 new boats.

In addition, while the Canadian Forces has suggested the time needed to complete the purchase could be quite long.

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“The procurement timeline from project establishment to contract award is highly specific to the project, but staff analysis has shown that the procurement of a new submarine class will take a minimum of 15 years total from project establishment to first delivery and could exceed 25 years depending on the adopted procurement strategy,” DND and military officials told then-Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan in a briefing note on Jan. 6, 2021.
 

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/first-submarine-in-new-canadian-fleet-wont-be-operational-until-2037-navy-confirms

Edited September 23, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

On 9/19/2024 at 4:51 PM, Dougie93 said:

lunatic leftist Liberal Canada in a nutshell

Or crazy neighbour and overzealous cop

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Or crazy neighbour and overzealous cop

the OPP has brought the Crown into disrepute therein

[BeaverFever]

On 9/19/2024 at 4:37 PM, Army Guy said:

swimming pools in each of the AOPS

I don’t think they have swimming pools. But it’s really shocking that the drinking water systems in the first 2 or 3  ships of this class were built with metals containing dangerous levels of lead because that’s something they ought to know to do properly   And even more shocking is they’re not responsible because we only discovered it after the 1-year warranty expired. A naval ship with a. 30-yr lifespan but only a 1-year warranty that expires before it’s even operational.  Ridiculous!

[BeaverFever]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the OPP has brought the Crown into disrepute therein

Overzealous and unnecessary arrests are nothing new, unfortunately but usually police reserve that for teenagers, street urchins and poor folk who don’t garner much public sympathy. 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

Overzealous and unnecessary arrests are nothing new,

charging a grandmother with "assault with a weapon"

for accidentally spaying someone with a water pistol while playing with children

would never happen in the Canada that I was raised in

why you would be an apologist for this obviously lunacy, is beyond me

[BeaverFever]

 

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

charging a grandmother with "assault with a weapon"

for accidentally spaying someone with a water pistol while playing with children

would never happen in the Canada that I was raised in

why you would be an apologist for this obviously lunacy, is beyond me

Im not defending or apologizing for anything. Clearly the cop failed in his duty.
 

In fact im saying it’s worse than you think because thei stuff happens all the time it’s not just a random isolated incident. Its not just about the one cop doing the one dumb thing it’s also about how the system - the police dept and prosecutors - are still defending what happened. They’re proceeding woth the charges which teells you that the system is the problem not just theone officer

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

 

Im not defending or apologizing for anything. Clearly the cop failed in his duty.
 

In fact im saying it’s worse than you think because thei stuff happens all the time it’s not just a random isolated incident. Its not just about the one cop doing the one dumb thing it’s also about how the system - the police dept and prosecutors - are still defending what happened. They’re proceeding woth the charges which teells you that the system is the problem not just theone officer

while I am generally sympathetic to the police

I have lifelong friends from the military who are police officers

but the officers have discretion

they didn't have to lay that ridiculous charge

they should frankly be charged with misconduct and under the Police Act and demoted for that

furthermore, Doug Ford's feet should be held to the fire for it, with a blowtorch

[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

while I am generally sympathetic to the police

I have lifelong friends from the military who are police officers

but the officers have discretion

they didn't have to lay that ridiculous charge

they should frankly be charged with misconduct and under the Police Act and demoted for that

furthermore, Doug Ford's feet should be held to the fire for it, with a blowtorch

Someone should held accountable. So far nobody in power is even admitting anyone has done anything wrong or that the lady should be let off rhe hook. So far they’re all saying she’ll get her day in court to prove her innocence. It’s ridiculous 
 

In Ontario nearly HALF of all criminal charges laid are eventually withdrawn or dismissed, that is nearly DOUBLE the North American average even in USA with its “tough on crime” policies. Why?  Ontario is the only jurisdiction in North America where police lay charges. Everywhere else it is the prosecutor who lays the charge after reviewing facts of the case. Police are not legal experts and they have an incentive to exaggerate and charge aggressively. 

[Army Guy]

38 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

I don’t think they have swimming pools. But it’s really shocking that the drinking water systems in the first 2 or 3  ships of this class were built with metals containing dangerous levels of lead because that’s something they ought to know to do properly   And even more shocking is they’re not responsible because we only discovered it after the 1-year warranty expired. A naval ship with a. 30-yr lifespan but only a 1-year warranty that expires before it’s even operational.  Ridiculous!

Perhaps swimming pools was a little over zealous...but it comes close to a swimming pool ....Can't wait for Irving to build the frigates, wonder what short cuts they take on that build....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/royal-canadian-navy-s-new-arctic-ships-have-a-severe-flooding-problem-say-sailors/ar-BB1jpzHi#:~:text=That problem resulted in an incident on board,AOPS to allow the built-up water to drain.

[BeaverFever]

1 hour ago, Army Guy said:

Perhaps swimming pools was a little over zealous...but it comes close to a swimming pool ....Can't wait for Irving to build the frigates, wonder what short cuts they take on that build....

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/canada/royal-canadian-navy-s-new-arctic-ships-have-a-severe-flooding-problem-say-sailors/ar-BB1jpzHi#:~:text=That problem resulted in an incident on board,AOPS to allow the built-up water to drain.

Oh lol I thought you were referring to the ship’s “moon pool” which is an opening in the bottom of the hull that allows direct access to the ocean from inside the ship. 

[I am Groot]

4 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

“The procurement timeline from project establishment to contract award is highly specific to the project, but staff analysis has shown that the procurement of a new submarine class will take a minimum of 15 years total from project establishment to first delivery and could exceed 25 years depending on the adopted procurement strategy,” DND and military officials told then-Defence Minister Harjit Sajjan in a briefing note on Jan. 6, 2021.
 

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/first-submarine-in-new-canadian-fleet-wont-be-operational-until-2037-navy-confirms

Between 1939 and 1945 Canada built a thousand-ship navy. How is it possible that it takes us over 15 years to build one lousy submarine?

[BeaverFever]

On 9/23/2024 at 6:45 PM, I am Groot said:

Between 1939 and 1945 Canada built a thousand-ship navy. How is it possible that it takes us over 15 years to build one lousy submarine?

And not only that, we’re not even building it we’re buying it from a foreign builder.  

[BeaverFever]

Looks like 3 PPCLI out enjoying their new vehicle. 

Edited September 25, 2024 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

Canadian Army Awards Contract to Thales for Canada’s Night Vision Systems Modernization project

• The Thales Sophie Ultima long-range handheld thermal imagers have been selected by the Canadian Armed Forces, the first contract awarded under Canada’s Night Vision Systems Modernization (NVSM) project.
• Manufactured and maintained in Canada, the Sophie Ultima will enhance operational capabilities for the Canadian Army with advanced technology and resilient navigation.
• This contract award further affirms Thales’ commitment to Canada with significant local industrialization, skills development and training in Quebec.

Thales Canada is pleased to announce that the Government of Canada has awarded a contract to Thales Canada for the acquisition of its Sophie Ultima Handheld Thermal Imager (HHTI) as part of the Night Vision Systems Modernization (NVSM) project. This award marks an important advancement in Canada’s defence capabilities, ensuring that the Canadian Armed Forces (CAF) are equipped with cutting-edge technology designed to excel in complex and challenging operational environments.

The Sophie Ultima, a lightweight, handheld thermal imager, is engineered to deliver extraordinary performance in the field. With a high performance infrared channel, it offers NATO tank recognition range performance of up to 6 kilometres. The continuous optical zoom and wide 20° field of view enable operators to maintain visual contact with targets during detection, recognition, and identification phases, ensuring rapid and precise engagement.

Thales will manufacture and maintain the Sophie Ultima at its existing Canadian Electro-Optics Center of Excellence, further strengthening Canada’s defence industrial base. This initiative will create new jobs and spur economic growth, expanding Thales’s current supply chain within Canada. In addition, the Thales Optronics facility in Montreal will provide comprehensive in-service support, ensuring that the Canadian Armed Forces benefit from a dedicated repair facility with rapid turnaround, reducing equipment downtime.

“Thales is committed to delivering advanced, reliable, and locally supported solutions like the Sophie Ultima,” said Benoit Plantier, Vice President, Optronics, Missile Electronics and Unmanned Air Systems, Thales

https://canadiandefencereview.com/canadian-army-awards-contract-to-thales-for-canadas-night-vision-systems-modernization-project/

 

 

 

 

 

Taking back the night for tactical advantage

Aug 15, 2023 | News, Procurement
 

..,The Army calls the overall effort “a multi-phase hybrid project.” Phase 1 is a hand-held long-range laser range finder. Phase 2 includes the night vision goggles, laser aiming devices and hand-held medium range thermal imagers. Phase 3, involving augmented reality and thermal fusion, is further down the road.

https://canadianarmytoday.com/taking-back-the-night-for-tactical-advantage/

[ExFlyer]

On 9/23/2024 at 3:06 PM, Dougie93 said:

while I am generally sympathetic to the police

I have lifelong friends from the military who are police officers

but the officers have discretion

they didn't have to lay that ridiculous charge

they should frankly be charged with misconduct and under the Police Act and demoted for that

furthermore, Doug Ford's feet should be held to the fire for it, with a blowtorch

There are police officers that are "by the book" because they were told to be just like military officers and senior NCO's that are "by the book" because they were told to be.

If anyone thinks Doug Ford or any politician or political leader tells the officer on the street what to do, you need to mellow out on what you are smoking LOL What officers do is enforce the law.

[BeaverFever]

On 9/25/2024 at 12:07 PM, BeaverFever said:

Looks like 3 PPCLI out enjoying their new vehicle. 

Another one.

 

 

[Army Guy]

On 10/10/2024 at 3:23 PM, BeaverFever said:

Another one.

 

 

Well at least your consistent Beaver....