Justin Trudeau may resign before 2025 – National Telegraph

[Moonbox]

36 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You might be what?  If i'm citing a 15 year old i might be .....  what?  capable of listening to something and evaluating it myself rather than dismissing it because of the person's age?

Nobody's saying the kid is stupid, but he's talking about gossip and rumours on what amounts to his web blog, so the people citing him are making a good case that they are.  Good job.  

 

Edited July 16, 2023 by Moonbox

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

Nobody's saying the kid is stupid, but he's talking about gossip and rumours on what amounts to his web blog, so the people citing him are making a good case that they are.  Good job. 

So what the kid is saying isn't stupid but anyone who listens or considers what he says is.  Because of his age.  Because it's stupid to listen to university students instead of looking at what they say and thinking about it  

I think you have a bit of a skewed idea of what stupid is  

I think the kid is far less likely to say something stupid than the kind of ****** who'd suggest that we should discount what someone says just because of their age, that's for sure.

 

[Army Guy]

On 7/15/2023 at 9:13 PM, BeaverFever said:

Well whatever JT is deciding he better let people know as soon as possible. All those bumper stickers that say “F-ck Trudeau”, “Jail Trudeau”, “Hang Trudeau” need to be updated with the next LPC leader’s name and that takes time.  
 

Maybe they could just get a generic sticker that says “F-ck/jail/hang anyone I didn’t personally vote for” but that’s so impersonal. 

You would have a point if this had happened before... wait a minute , nope this is a one of a kind thing....but he has been voted the worst PM ever, i think the bumper stickers are a reminder of that...a recent poll suggest 80 % of Canadians are ready for a change in PM...

Maybe you guys can point out a few things that Justin has done that has been positive in his 8 years reign, that has not been pushed by the NDP...

[eyeball]

23 minutes ago, Army Guy said:

Maybe you guys can point out a few things that Justin has done that has been positive in his 8 years reign, that has not been pushed by the NDP...

As always, Trudeau will be best remembered for not being Donald Trump.  Beyond that I have no use whatsoever for the silly little dillettant.

I suppose I should mention Trudeau being the topic of some of the most ridiculous criticism ever uttered in the history of reviled leaders.  The funniest albeit most grotesque thing that comes to mind is when the manner of his crushing the trucker convoy was compared to the crushing of protesters in Tiananmen Square.  Those poor people in China certainly deserve better than to be so trivially compared to the fricken' misfits and dingbats in the convoy.

That said, Hitler and real Nazis probably also deserve better than to be compared to Trudeau.

[Nefarious Banana]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

As always, Trudeau will be best remembered for not being Donald Trump.  

No . . . Trudeau will best be remembered for the staggering debt he foisted upon Canada.

[eyeball]

Compared to the staggering debt Trump foisted upon Canada?

The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.propublica.org/article/national-debt-trump/amp

That's on top of having everything else  foisted on America.

 

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, eyeball said:

Compared to the staggering debt Trump foisted upon Canada?

 

Are you deliberately trying to be weird?  Trump didn't 'foist' ANY debt on Canada in the slightest! Hell trump wasn't even elected when trudeau first broke his first deficit promise.

Trump had nothing to do with the now more than doubling of canada's entire national debt.

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The “King of Debt” promised to reduce the national debt — then his tax cuts made it surge. Add in the pandemic, and he oversaw the third-biggest deficit increase of any president

So ...  kind of bullshit revisionist stuff.   His debt growth was no worse than others and his plans to grow the economy kind of ran into covid - which forced every gov't to go into deficit pretty hard as the workforce was sent home.

And biden made it even WORSE - but the article doesn't mention that

 

So - that was some pretty pathetic whataboutism.   And frankly - if you're going to complain about trump's "Third largest debt increase" while ignoring trudeau BORROWING MORE MONEY THAN EVERY PRIME MINISTER COMBINED before him... well....   doesn't make you look terribly honest in your concern does it.

[eyeball]

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

Are you deliberately trying to be weird?  Trump didn't 'foist' ANY debt on Canada in the slightest! Hell trump wasn't even elected when trudeau first broke his first deficit promise.

Trump had nothing to do with the now more than doubling of canada's entire national debt.

Oh oh my bad, I meant to say foisted on the US.

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So ...  kind of bullshit revisionist stuff.   His debt growth was no worse than others and his plans to grow the economy kind of ran into covid - which forced every gov't to go into deficit pretty hard as the workforce was sent home.

Others including Trudeau? Or was Trudeau special in some revisionist bullshit way?

11 hours ago, CdnFox said:

So - that was some pretty pathetic whataboutism.   And frankly - if you're going to complain about trump's "Third largest debt increase" while ignoring trudeau BORROWING MORE MONEY THAN EVERY PRIME MINISTER COMBINED before him... well....   doesn't make you look terribly honest in your concern does it.

Frankly, I'm not the least bit concerned about our national debt given the entire planet is in the same stupid boat.

[Moonbox]

15 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Frankly, I'm not the least bit concerned about our national debt given the entire planet is in the same stupid boat.

Everybody should be concerned with our national debt.  It’s silly not to.  One way or the other, the bills have to be paid.

[CdnFox]

22 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Oh oh my bad, I meant to say foisted on the US.

Well that makes much more sense and we all goof up when typing from time to time -  but it's still not really a fair statement. HIs debt was no worse than the people before him, and there was just not enough time before covid to see how his economic policies would have played out.   I mean - even *i* don't blame trudeau for increasing deficits during covid, even tho i will argue they went on far too long and were too sweeping.  I acknowledge we were going to take a hit on the chin even if he handled it perfectly.

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Others including Trudeau? Or was Trudeau special in some revisionist bullshit way?

No, others including the previous presidents of the united states.  That would be the appropriate comparison.

To answer your question - trudeau is  special in very regular and normal history, whether you're comparing him to our own previous leaders OR other leaders.

Never in our history ever has a prime minister borrowed more money than all the prime ministers before him.  Not during wars, not during pandemics.   I don't think there's many world leaders who have ever done that unless they were like the second leader of that country or something

And most of it was not due to covid spending.  He is the worst, hands down.

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Frankly, I'm not the least bit concerned about our national debt given the entire planet is in the same stupid boat.

Well then you're not very bright.  Canada's advantage was that we had a very low debt to gdp ratio and low interest.

Now - BECAUSE the rest of the world is likely going to face recession soon and inflation is high interest rates are shooting up.  We alrready have historically low productivity, much lower than many of our competitors, We're losing business investment and with a world recession on the horizon how to pay the interest on that debt without growth in business is a major concern.

This is going to mean a MASSIVE reduction in quality of life for an entire generation of canadians - possibly two.  We're going to underperform by more than 40 years according to experts. 

That should be cause for concern.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, Moonbox said:

Everybody should be concerned with our national debt.  It’s silly not to.  One way or the other, the bills have to be paid.

They'll have to be negotiated eventually unless you're not concerned about the economy, environment and society being big enough to fail.

There are other unpaid deficits piling up too.

[CdnFox]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They'll have to be negotiated eventually unless you're not concerned about the economy, environment and society being big enough to fail.

There are other unpaid deficits piling up too.

but they don't.  As the us and the world found out in 2008.  As we saw in the 30's. And in a less dramatic fashion with the stagnation in the 80's where people were seriously discussing canada going bankrupt to get out from under it, which has very serious repercussions. 

Ask greece all about it.

We could be talking about trashing an entire full generation's future from start to finish. Poor health care, poor living quality, poor health care, always worried about food and shelter, etc.

This is no trivial matter. This is very serious. 

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, CdnFox said:

Well then you're not very bright.  Canada's advantage was that we had a very low debt to gdp ratio and low interest.

Now - BECAUSE the rest of the world is likely going to face recession soon and inflation is high interest rates are shooting up.  We alrready have historically low productivity, much lower than many of our competitors, We're losing business investment and with a world recession on the horizon how to pay the interest on that debt without growth in business is a major concern

I was bright enough to know that on top of these that deficits in natural capital underwriting the economy were also piling up here and everywhere else on the planet too.  Like I said we're all in the same boat so swamp it if you must and think that's what needs to happen to right things again.

[eyeball]

7 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

We could be talking about trashing an entire full generation's future from start to finish. Poor health care, poor living quality, poor health care, always worried about food and shelter, etc.

This is no trivial matter. This is very serious.

Yes that's right - people have been very concerned about it for decades now.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

I was bright enough to know that on top of these that deficits in natural capital underwriting the economy were also piling up here and everywhere else on the planet too. 

That's not very bright.

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Like I said we're all in the same boat so swamp it if you must and think that's what needs to happen to right things again.

And that's just out and out dumb.

We are not in the same boat. Nor do we have to stay in the boat. And no you don't 'swamp'  it and just throw away the lives of a generation of children who had no say in the decisions you made.

You correct the problems and you start doing the right things,  and you get rid of the re tard who led you there in the first place.

[CdnFox]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

Yes that's right - people have been very concerned about it for decades now.

No, they haven't.  People were very hopeful under harper.  Canada was hailed around the world as a country that 'got it  right',  we recovered very quickly from the recession which was very shallow for us compared to otehrs and we had  a balanced budget and we had a bunch of new trade deals and we were well on track to excel.  People were positive

Then we got trudeau.

Now we're the worst in the civilized world for productivity. our once fantastic debt to gdp ration is shot.  Our debt has more than doubled.  Reports say we're going to seriously underperform for 40 years.  Our oil and energy sectors are badly damaged and there's no replacement for them.  There's a world economic crisis coming and we're very badly prepared to handle it.  We have a homeless crisis and lack of housing that is beyond serious with no resolution in sight.

In 7 years trudeau has crushed the hopes of Canadians who were ABSOLUTELY and justifiably optimistic about their future.

Not to mention we all hate each other now thanks to his divisive politics, which is pretty sad.

[Moonbox]

54 minutes ago, eyeball said:

They'll have to be negotiated eventually unless you're not concerned about the economy, environment and society being big enough to fail.

There are other unpaid deficits piling up too.

Everything costs money.  If you're eager to see environmental issues tackled, you should also be concerned with the fiscal deficit.  The further in the red we go, the less likely people are to concern themselves with carbon emissions.  Food on the table first, as they say.  

[CdnFox]

https://financialpost.com/opinion/canada-deeper-debt-ottawa-lets-on#amp_ct=1689558834363&amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16895588110624&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ffinancialpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fcanada-deeper-debt-ottawa-lets-on

We’re deeper in debt than Ottawa lets on

Canada’s debt position isn’t so enviable after all

 

TLDR -  our debt situation is significantly worse than the libs are pretending and it's a serious problem for us.

 

[Moonbox]

46 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

https://financialpost.com/opinion/canada-deeper-debt-ottawa-lets-on#amp_ct=1689558834363&amp_tf=From %1%24s&aoh=16895588110624&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&ampshare=https%3A%2F%2Ffinancialpost.com%2Fopinion%2Fcanada-deeper-debt-ottawa-lets-on

We’re deeper in debt than Ottawa lets on

Canada’s debt position isn’t so enviable after all

 

TLDR -  our debt situation is significantly worse than the libs are pretending and it's a serious problem for us.

This is actually very true, and something I've tried to tell people about but the concept seems too esoteric for most.  

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[Army Guy]

15 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is actually very true, and something I've tried to tell people about but the concept seems too esoteric for most.  

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32 % of Canadians are still voting liberal, despite all the lies and deceit, this whole government was built on lies...Do liberal voters really think the gravy train can keep going...

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, Moonbox said:

Everything costs money.  If you're eager to see environmental issues tackled, you should also be concerned with the fiscal deficit.  The further in the red we go, the less likely people are to concern themselves with carbon emissions.    

How convenient for carbon emissions that impoverishing people makes for even lousier environmental stewardship. 

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Food on the table first, as they say.

Or second in a growing number of households. It sorta mirrors the dictates of concern leadibg to poor environmental stewardship.  It's a self consuming spiral.

25 minutes ago, Moonbox said:

This is actually very true, and something I've tried to tell people about but the concept seems too esoteric for most.  

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So is the concept of natural capital and its proper place at the base of the human economy. As pointed out before you can have the former without the latter but not the other way around.

Humanity isn't even going to be able to afford the cost of mitigating something like climate change never mind paying off all the debt it owes itself.  Is it just me or is there something weirdly funny about this?

[Moonbox]

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

How convenient for carbon emissions that impoverishing people makes for even lousier environmental stewardship. 

Yes, imagine that.  That's why countries like Chad are doing such a great job with getting solar capacity online, with their ample sunshine, right?  

16 hours ago, eyeball said:

Humanity isn't even going to be able to afford the cost of mitigating something like climate change never mind paying off all the debt it owes itself.  Is it just me or is there something weirdly funny about this?

What's weirdly funny to me is how you're rationalizing that wasting money that could be spent tackling climate change on unrelated public services is somehow irrelevant.  ?‍♂️