Canada Day 2023 is May Day

[SNOWFLAKE]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The reality is that everyone has some level of unconscious and in some cases conscious bias.

Of course, but acting or speaking out based on the bias is what makes the difference.

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Race should never enter into the conversation unless one can cite the ways that he or she has been excluded because of it.

Like segregation in the U.S. or residential schools in Canada. I know I know the counter-argument will be "that was then, this is now", but that is like asking Jews to forget the Holocaust ever happened. There is a reason for learning history. 

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Now, however, we do see many examples of anti-white racism, such as racialized-only job posting.  Discrimination is discrimination.  You can’t say it’s okay for some but not others.  

Gawd almighty! I am white. I have NEVER had an issue with getting a job. No one in my family has either. None of my friends. There is a legitimate argument to be made that affirmative action is no longer needed. But when I go into a fast food restaurant and I see some young guy from India with an accent trying his best to serve a customer and that customer then complains to his buddies why can't they hire "normal" people, discrimination is still VERY MUCH ALIVE. 

Anti-white racism is a canard. If a Muslim business hires other Muslims it's anti-white racism, but if a Christian business doesn't want to hire a Muslim or gay person, well that is just protecting their religious freedoms.

I have heard ALL the arguments. I have been debating, on forums and in real life for many years. I know the tropes, canards and whataboutims people throw around. I treat everyone equally and somehow have never been treated poorly. There might be a reason for that. 

[Zeitgeist]

11 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Of course, but acting or speaking out based on the bias is what makes the difference.

Like segregation in the U.S. or residential schools in Canada. I know I know the counter-argument will be "that was then, this is now", but that is like asking Jews to forget the Holocaust ever happened. There is a reason for learning history. 

Gawd almighty! I am white. I have NEVER had an issue with getting a job. No one in my family has either. None of my friends. There is a legitimate argument to be made that affirmative action is no longer needed. But when I go into a fast food restaurant and I see some young guy from India with an accent trying his best to serve a customer and that customer then complains to his buddies why can't they hire "normal" people, discrimination is still VERY MUCH ALIVE. 

Anti-white racism is a canard. If a Muslim business hires other Muslims it's anti-white racism, but if a Christian business doesn't want to hire a Muslim or gay person, well that is just protecting their religious freedoms.

I have heard ALL the arguments. I have been debating, on forums and in real life for many years. I know the tropes, canards and whataboutims people throw around. I treat everyone equally and somehow have never been treated poorly. There might be a reason for that. 

I’m white and have been excluded from opportunities on that basis and told so to my face.  I was told that this was being done to reduce disproportionalities and that they really needed to do this to show certain data.  It was painful to hear.  It’s also painful to see people written off as “equity hires” because everyone knows that they aren’t as effective as some people but were given preference on the basis of race.  Okay let’s look at the argument that it’s time for the “oppressors” to be oppressed.  First you have to successfully argue that today’s white people caused past injustices and deserve punishment.  Then you have to make the inconsistent argument that in order to eliminate racism we must apply racist policies and procedures.

I get that racist attitudes persist, but I don’t think that creating racist policies will change attitudes.

Fairness and building relationships between different groups builds trust and understanding.  It may take time but we’re in a pretty good position now.  I wouldn’t add or maintain policies that advantage some groups over others, as that breeds contempt and perpetuates racism.  

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[myata]

"Equality is discrimination". Don't read the line in the Great Happy Book, hear that we say because only we can interpret it.

5000 years back. Pharaoh times. High priests know best.

Getting there.

Edited July 2, 2023 by myata

[SNOWFLAKE]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Fairness and building relationships between different groups builds trust and understanding.  It may take time but we’re in a pretty good position now.

As I stated earlier, there is a discussion to be had that affirmative action is no longer necessary. BUT....... let's be honest........... we don't know what will happen when it is done away with.

So best argument I can give is; ok do away with it and see the results. If the results show that we are going back to excluding minorities in universities and jobs, bring it back, if it doesn't, then don't bring it back.

ANOTHER BUT.......... we can't go on pretending racism no longer exists. You have your experiences, I have mine. I have never been discriminated against. But I am not about to say "too bad they can't hire normal people" when served by an immigrant. 

 

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

As I stated earlier, there is a discussion to be had that affirmative action is no longer necessary. BUT....... let's be honest........... we don't know what will happen when it is done away with.

So best argument I can give is; ok do away with it and see the results. If the results show that we are going back to excluding minorities in universities and jobs, bring it back, if it doesn't, then don't bring it back.

ANOTHER BUT.......... we can't go on pretending racism no longer exists. You have your experiences, I have mine. I have never been discriminated against. But I am not about to say "too bad they can't hire normal people" when served by an immigrant. 

 

The universities and colleges are run by radical left wing activists who will do everything possible to keep out anyone they deem as “patriarchal” or possessing “white privilege” or who is orientation or “gender normative”.  The affirmative action mentality has turned a generation of indoctrinated millennials into racists.  I’m sure they will favour the designated victim groups for some time, whatever the policy says.  

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[SNOWFLAKE]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The universities and colleges are run by radical left wing activists who will do everything possible to keep out anyone they deem as “patriarchal” or possessing “white privilege” or who is orientation or “gender normative”.  The affirmative action mentality has turned a generation of indoctrinated millennials into racists.  I’m sure they will favour the designated victim groups for some time, whatever the policy says.  

JAYSUS, just when I thought we could have a debate you bring out all the Rightwing talking points that I have heard over and over again on Fox and other Rightwing media outlets. You weren't interested in a discussion about affirmative action after all, just needed an opportunity to bleat about "radical left wing activists." I swear, when I read tripe like yours, I ask myself, can these people NOT see themselves when they speak this way? Are they permanently angry? Freaked out? Incapable of dealing with life?

Go love someone, hug a child, volunteer somewhere, smoke a joint, DO SOMETHING with your life other than whining about what you perceive is being taken away from you.

GAWD!!!

 

Edited July 2, 2023 by SNOWFLAKE

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

JAYSUS, just when I thought we could have a debate you bring out all the Rightwing talking points that I have heard over and over again on Fox and other Rightwing media outlets. You weren't interested in a discussion about affirmative action after all, just needed an opportunity to bleat about "radical left wing activists." I swear, when I read tripe like yours, I ask myself, can these people NOT see themselves when they speak this way? Are they permanently angry? Freaked out? Incapable of dealing with life?

Go love someone, hug a child, volunteer somewhere, smoke a joint, DO SOMETHING with your life other than whining about what you perceive is being taken away from you.

GAWD!!!

 

You seem very upset.  Everything will be okay.  ? Look at the puppy.  

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

As I stated earlier, there is a discussion to be had that affirmative action is no longer necessary. BUT....... let's be honest........... we don't know what will happen when it is done away with.

So best argument I can give is; ok do away with it and see the results. If the results show that we are going back to excluding minorities in universities and jobs, bring it back, if it doesn't, then don't bring it back.

ANOTHER BUT.......... we can't go on pretending racism no longer exists. You have your experiences, I have mine. I have never been discriminated against. But I am not about to say "too bad they can't hire normal people" when served by an immigrant. 

 

It's not that affirmative action isn't necessary, you're wrong again. Some kind of affirmative action is needed to help what I call "the disempowered" in our society. Another word might be poor people. But it must not include skin colour, otherwise a wealthy black doctor's family gets the advantages, while a poor white family is not eligible.

 

[Zeitgeist]

16 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It's not that affirmative action isn't necessary, you're wrong again. Some kind of affirmative action is needed to help what I call "the disempowered" in our society. Another word might be poor people. But it must not include skin colour, otherwise a wealthy black doctor's family gets the advantages, while a poor white family is not eligible.

 

For a while I supported the idea of , in the case of two equally qualified people, one black and one white, giving the position to the black candidate, but now that I see representation exceeding percentage of population in many fields, I really don’t think it’s necessary.  It’s also become obvious that it’s the non-black racialized who do better at school, including in higher learning.  Whites don’t do as well as Asians.  Either do blacks.  I don’t think it’s genetic either.  It’s cultural I think and relates to how cultures/communities treat and value education.  

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[herbie]

FFs slavery was abolished before Canada even existed as a nation. That does not mean racial injustice did not happen then and since. Dismantling Africaville, demolishing Vancouver's black neighbourhood for an overpass? Chinese exclusion act? Japanese, Italian, Ukranian internment? Komataga Maru? Residential schools, potlach bans, voting rights unequal until the 1960s - on an on.
This Canada we're supposed to be celebrating that we've learned, moved on and are trying to reconcile.
Reconciliation does not include refusing to recognize it, glorifying times when it was an existing fault, squawking that anything tried to repair the damage was 'reverse' discrimination.

Or hiding in a closet, claiming that implied racism in multiple posts is not racism at all.

Edited July 2, 2023 by herbie

[I am Groot]

6 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Hence the treatment of aboriginals in Canada and much larger and longer jail sentences of blacks in the U.S.

I"m not going to argue about racism in the US but Canada has never treated Aboriginals as 'monsters'. In fact, on the formation of the Northwest Mounted Police, who were sent out into the West to maintain order the prime minister ordered that natives and whites were to be treated exactly alike. Has that always happened? Certainly not, but it is what was laid down by the government of the day.

6 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

I know you will argue for the sake or arguing, but stats have long proved that minorities are treated more harshly than the white population

Not in Canada. Even in the US there are many aspects to the sentencing of criminals that could lead to certain types of minorities getting harsher sentences, including their previous criminal history, whether they were an otherwises law-abiding citizen with a job and family, etc. Blacks would tend to do worse under such circumstances than whites or asians.

And even if that were the case historically that is no reason to deliberately give natives and blacks lower sentences than whites or Asians TODAY. 

 

6 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

I am white myself.

You keep saying that as if it means anything.

6 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

So it's not like I am making excuses because I am a minority. 

In fact, it is white liberals who are the FIRST to make excuses for such things. Just white college-educated liberals were demanding the police be defunded or fewer police in black areas but the blacks in those areas were completely opposed to this. The decisions and excuses white liberals make for minorities are not necessarily greeted with respect by those minorities.

6 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Racists are monsters in terms of their attitude, and suggesting that I suggested repression or violence is a disingenuous strawman argument. If you can't debate on the substance and have to "put words in my mouth" then you knock yourself out. I am not about to go tit for tat with someone who uses such tactics.

You cannot say that certain people are monsters and then pretend that you will respect them, their rights, and treat them the way you would treat others. If you don't understand that then you're lying to yourself. Calling them monsters implies just such a behavior.

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

JAYSUS, just when I thought we could have a debate you bring out all the Rightwing talking points that I have heard over and over again on Fox and other Rightwing media outlets. You weren't interested in a discussion about affirmative action after all, just needed an opportunity to bleat about "radical left wing activists." I swear, when I read tripe like yours, I ask myself, can these people NOT see themselves when they speak this way? Are they permanently angry? Freaked out? Incapable of dealing with life?

Go love someone, hug a child, volunteer somewhere, smoke a joint, DO SOMETHING with your life other than whining about what you perceive is being taken away from you.

GAWD!!!

 

You know, I can't help noticing in the above sanctimonious rant that you never actually said anything that contradicted what he said. Certainly, the statistics from polls taken of university professors and administrators show an enormous lopsidedness in terms of progressives/liberals/conservatives employed there. But perhaps that simply isn't an issue to you. YOu don't understand why anyone would be concerned. After all, it's your 'team' that is winning there, right? Nothing wrong with that. Why would anyone be bothered!?

And by the way, the only one who seems to keep getting emotional about these discussions is - you.

[SNOWFLAKE]

12 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

I"m not going to argue about racism in the US but Canada has never treated Aboriginals as 'monsters'. In fact, on the formation of the Northwest Mounted Police, who were sent out into the West to maintain order the prime minister ordered that natives and whites were to be treated exactly alike. Has that always happened? Certainly not, but it is what was laid down by the government of the day.

Not in Canada. Even in the US there are many aspects to the sentencing of criminals that could lead to certain types of minorities getting harsher sentences, including their previous criminal history, whether they were an otherwises law-abiding citizen with a job and family, etc. Blacks would tend to do worse under such circumstances than whites or asians.

And even if that were the case historically that is no reason to deliberately give natives and blacks lower sentences than whites or Asians TODAY. 

 

You keep saying that as if it means anything.

In fact, it is white liberals who are the FIRST to make excuses for such things. Just white college-educated liberals were demanding the police be defunded or fewer police in black areas but the blacks in those areas were completely opposed to this. The decisions and excuses white liberals make for minorities are not necessarily greeted with respect by those minorities.

You cannot say that certain people are monsters and then pretend that you will respect them, their rights, and treat them the way you would treat others. If you don't understand that then you're lying to yourself. Calling them monsters implies just such a behavior.

Have you forgotten residential schools? 

[I am Groot]

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

FFs slavery was abolished before Canada even existed as a nation. That does not mean racial injustice did not happen then and since. Dismantling Africaville, demolishing Vancouver's black neighbourhood for an overpass? Chinese exclusion act? Japanese, Italian, Ukranian internment? Komataga Maru? Residential schools, potlach bans, voting rights unequal until the 1960s - on an on.

The only group there that can really claim to be some kind of victims are indigenous people. The numbers of the other racial groups in Canada during almost its entire history numbered in mere thousands. Only a tiny sliver of the existing visible minority population can trace their presence in Canada back beyond the 1980s.

16 minutes ago, herbie said:

This Canada we're supposed to be celebrating that we've learned, moved on and are trying to reconcile.
Reconciliation does not include refusing to recognize it, glorifying times when it was an existing fault, squawking that anything tried to repair the damage was 'reverse' discrimination.

So tell me how the following 'repairs the damage'.

Giving an immigrant who shot someone in a robbery a lighter sentence.

Giving the child of an immigrant an advantage in government hiring, and in university admittance.

Tearing down statues of the founders of Canada, as well as the monarch, when nothing can be directly traced to them in terms of damage to minority populations.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Certainly, the statistics from polls taken of university professors and administrators show an enormous lopsidedness in terms of progressives/liberals/conservatives employed there.

Link? 

8 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

YOu don't understand why anyone would be concerned.

Nope. I have a life to live, I am not interested in looking under my bed constantly.

9 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And by the way, the only one who seems to keep getting emotional about these discussions is - you.

Yeah ok. ?

[I am Groot]

Just now, SNOWFLAKE said:

Have you forgotten residential schools? 

How could I? It's not like a week goes by when I don't read something about it in the papers or see something about it on TV. I'm pretty sure I know a considerable amount about it that you don't. For example, are you aware that providing schools was a requirement of the treaties Canada signed? That native participation was entirely voluntary except during a 30 year period from 1920 to 1951? That the death rate at residential schools is largely attributed to communicable diseases that Canada could not treat and had no idea how to prevent? That the federal government worked very hard to ensure smallpox vaccinations went out to every native, and every reservation?

[I am Groot]

2 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Link? 

https://www.aei.org/politics-and-public-opinion/harvard-faculty-dont-want-dissonance/

https://c2cjournal.ca/2022/11/now-hiring-by-skin-colour-the-university-of-calgarys-inclusion-policy-that-discriminates-against-nearly-everyone/

https://www.newsweek.com/we-have-data-prove-it-universities-are-hostile-conservatives-opinion-1573551

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/yes-universities-discriminate-against-conservative-scholars/

2 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

Nope. I have a life to live, I am not interested in looking under my bed constantly.

And yet here you are constantly howling and swinging your arms around at everyone.

 

[SNOWFLAKE]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

How could I? It's not like a week goes by when I don't read something about it in the papers or see something about it on TV. I'm pretty sure I know a considerable amount about it that you don't. For example, are you aware that providing schools was a requirement of the treaties Canada signed? That native participation was entirely voluntary except during a 30 year period from 1920 to 1951? That the death rate at residential schools is largely attributed to communicable diseases that Canada could not treat and had no idea how to prevent? That the federal government worked very hard to ensure smallpox vaccinations went out to every native, and every reservation?

Quote

An exact number of school-related deaths remains unknown due to poor record-keeping.^[2] Few school cemeteries are explicitly documented, however given the age of the institutions and the duration of time over which they operated, it is likely that most had a cemetery associated with them.^[4] Some were officially associated with schools historically but were overgrown and abandoned after the school closed, while others may have been unmarked burial sites even while the school was in operation. The Truth and Reconciliation Commission Report estimates the number of unmarked graves to be 3,200. However, other sources state this is a conservative estimate, and the actual number could be much higher.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#:~:text=Some were officially associated with,unmarked graves to be 3%2C200.

Would you tell a Jew to forget that the Holocaust happened as well? I see by your claiming that the deaths were mostly due to communicable diseases that you are looking for some excuse to explain your views. You don't have the intellectual chops to ask yourself why those diseases hit residential schools particularly hard:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/at-least-3-000-died-in-residential-schools-research-shows-1.1310894

Still doesn't excuse the mass graves. We can go around the bush as many times as you want, these arguments are nothing new to me. I am of German descent and I acknowledge what we did to the Jews and strive to make sure it never happens again. No excuses. Shame you don't have enough humanity in you to admit your history. 

 

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

And yet here you are constantly howling and swinging your arms around at everyone.

Oh, for crying OUT LOUD. Grow up!! 

[I am Groot]

Just now, SNOWFLAKE said:

Would you tell a Jew to forget that the Holocaust happened as well? I see by your claiming that the deaths were mostly due to communicable diseases that you are looking for some excuse to explain your views. You don't have the intellectual chops to ask yourself why those diseases hit residential schools particularly hard:

Uhm, because as we know full well nowadays, and was driven home heavily during covid, people who live in large buildings and constantly comingle are far more vulnerable to communicable diseases. I have yet to see any comparison of the death rate between natives in residential schools vs those on reserves or for white groups that lived together such as in orphanages, prisons or even ordinary boarding schools. And it is also known that natives had no genetic immunity from a number of diseases Europeans brought over from Europe. Particularly TB.

Just now, SNOWFLAKE said:

Still doesn't excuse the mass graves.

There are no mass graves. There are cemeteries with unmarked graves, in many cases because wooden grave markers tended to be used back in the day and they simply didn't survive to today.

Just now, SNOWFLAKE said:

We can go around the bush as many times as you want, these arguments are nothing new to me. I am of German descent and I acknowledge what we did to the Jews and strive to make sure it never happens again. No excuses. Shame you don't have enough humanity in you to admit your history. 

Well, to begin with, my history has nothing to do with what happened back in the day as my family weren't even here. Second, comparing what happened with residential schools to the holocaust is an obscene way to try to downplay the Holocaust. Too bad you don't have enough humanity in yourself to not try to use that as a handy way of scoring points on someone who merely disagreed with you.

[I am Groot]

Things about Sir John A MacDonald that rarely make it into the press.

Given that he died in 1891, the facts of Sir John A. Macdonald’s life are unchangeable. The story of his life, however, has changed dramatically. For most of Canada’s history, Macdonald was considered a nation-builder worthy of celebration and veneration. Today he is a war criminal, at least to hear some tell it. But a proper and balanced consideration of Macdonald’s life reveals that, through his own actions and policies, Canada’s first prime minister was directly and deliberately responsible for saving the lives of untold numbers of Indigenous people. Given the temper of our times, this is not likely to be a popular notion. But that does not make it any less true.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/greg-piasetzki-john-a-macdonald-saved-more-indigenous-lives-than-any-other-prime-minister

[Zeitgeist]

50 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Indian_residential_school_gravesites#:~:text=Some were officially associated with,unmarked graves to be 3%2C200.

Would you tell a Jew to forget that the Holocaust happened as well? I see by your claiming that the deaths were mostly due to communicable diseases that you are looking for some excuse to explain your views. You don't have the intellectual chops to ask yourself why those diseases hit residential schools particularly hard:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/at-least-3-000-died-in-residential-schools-research-shows-1.1310894

Still doesn't excuse the mass graves. We can go around the bush as many times as you want, these arguments are nothing new to me. I am of German descent and I acknowledge what we did to the Jews and strive to make sure it never happens again. No excuses. Shame you don't have enough humanity in you to admit your history. 

 

Oh, for crying OUT LOUD. Grow up!! 

Mass graves?  Are you referring to those radar instruments?  We don’t have a single interment of a body to my knowledge.  There were cemeteries with unmarked graves, which wasn’t uncommon but certainly doesn’t indicate foul play.

If there was ever a mass grave of murdered people from any institution in Canada, that would be horrific.  We know of higher rates of disease in residential schools and it would’ve been hard for people to travel and bring the dead long distances, though not impossible.  We know there was abuse, I’m sure more of it in these schools than others because they were boarding schools.  To this day Indigenous from remote areas have to stay in residential schools to attend high school.  They are Indigenous run and there are still issues of depression and substance abuse.  Is that all because of inter generational trauma?  I don’t think so because I’ve read pre-residential school histories.  None of this is to say that residential schools didn’t have big problems, but they were implemented by progressives in the name of providing literacy and opportunities.  Yes they also led to cultural erasure.  Yes and every culture just about everywhere a century ago didn’t preserve other cultures very much, unless the cultures were regarded as significant by most people, such as the Roman or Egyptian civilizations, which left behind much usable infrastructure. Call it racist and colonial by today’s standards, sure, but that was the prevailing attitude just about everywhere.

Edited July 2, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[SNOWFLAKE]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

Uhm, because as we know full well nowadays, and was driven home heavily during covid, people who live in large buildings and constantly comingle are far more vulnerable to communicable diseases. I have yet to see any comparison of the death rate between natives in residential schools vs those on reserves or for white groups that lived together such as in orphanages, prisons or even ordinary boarding schools. And it is also known that natives had no genetic immunity from a number of diseases Europeans brought over from Europe. Particularly TB.

There are no mass graves. There are cemeteries with unmarked graves, in many cases because wooden grave markers tended to be used back in the day and they simply didn't survive to today.

Well, to begin with, my history has nothing to do with what happened back in the day as my family weren't even here. Second, comparing what happened with residential schools to the holocaust is an obscene way to try to downplay the Holocaust. Too bad you don't have enough humanity in yourself to not try to use that as a handy way of scoring points on someone who merely disagreed with you.

So the abuse at residential schools can be dismissed? Don't bother responding, or if you do, know I won't respond in kind, you disgust me.

[SNOWFLAKE]

3 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Mass graves?  Are you referring to those radar instruments?  We don’t have a single interment of a body to my knowledge.  There were cemeteries with unmarked graves, which wasn’t uncommon but certainly doesn’t indicate foul play.

If there was ever a mass grave of murdered people from any institution in Canada, that would be horrific.  We know of higher rates of disease in residential schools and it would’ve been hard for people to travel and bring the dead long distances, though not impossible.  We know there was abuse, I’m sure more of it in these schools than others because they were boarding schools.  To this day Indigenous from remote areas have to stay in residential schools to attend high school.  They are Indigenous run and there are still issues of depression and substance abuse.  Is that all because of inter generational trauma?  I don’t think so because I’ve read pre-residential school histories.  None of this is to say that residential schools didn’t have big problems, but they were implemented by progressives in the name of providing literacy and opportunities.  Yes they also led to cultural erasure.  Yes and every culture just about everywhere a century ago didn’t preserve other cultures very much, unless the cultures were regarded as significant by most people, such as the Roman or Egyptian civilizations, which left behind much usable infrastructure. Call it racist and colonial by today’s standards, sure, but that was the prevailing attitude just about everywhere.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-residential-schools-unmarked-graves-indigenous-children-60-minutes-2023-02-12/

https://www.indigenouswatchdog.org/2022/06/20/the-national-post-dishonours-the-thousands-of-missing-children-in-unmarked-graves-with-their-biased-and-distorted-views/

Please don't bother to respond, I find racists to among the vilest people on the planet. And if you do respond, show your hand, and make more excuses for what happened to the indigenous. 

[I am Groot]

16 minutes ago, SNOWFLAKE said:

So the abuse at residential schools can be dismissed? Don't bother responding, or if you do, know I won't respond in kind, you disgust me.

Of course, I disgust you! I'm a monster and don't have any humanity! All for the crime of disagreeing with you!

And this is why there has never in history been a left wing government that didn't resort to totalitarianism and repression. You guys are such zealots about what you believe to be the runway to utopia that you dismiss anyone who disagrees as evil incarnate. It's been that way since Marx. And that's the kind of attitude, dismissing the humanity and value of those you disagree with that makes it so easy for you to commit extreme acts of violence against them. Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or their more updated incarnations like Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, or Kim Jong Un are all from the same mold.

And you don't even have their depth. You're just a bit player, one of the desperately eager helpful fools trying to find  meaning in your life.

[Zeitgeist]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Of course, I disgust you! I'm a monster and don't have any humanity! All for the crime of disagreeing with you!

And this is why there has never in history been a left wing government that didn't resort to totalitarianism and repression. You guys are such zealots about what you believe to be the runway to utopia that you dismiss anyone who disagrees as evil incarnate. It's been that way since Marx. And that's the kind of attitude, dismissing the humanity and value of those you disagree with that makes it so easy for you to commit extreme acts of violence against them. Stalin, Mao, Castro, Pol Pot, or their more updated incarnations like Hugo Chavez, Daniel Ortega, or Kim Jong Un are all from the same mold.

And you don't even have their depth. You're just a bit player, one of the desperately eager helpful fools trying to find  meaning in your life.

The radical activist gets to feel a sense of purpose and exceptionality, but the utopian political movement inevitably leaves too much out, including a healthy opposition and critical thinking.  It requires revolutionary fervour.  The content is secondary, much like in a cult.