The history and hypocrisy of the Right's weirdo anti-drag obsession.

[reason10]

2 minutes ago, Nationalist said:

I generally agree with your particular brand of opinions. But my son is one of those "f@gs" and I'd appreciate it if you would distinguish between trannies and gay folks.

Is there a difference between an overt homosexual and a man who dresses as a woman and parades around in front of children?

I prefer giving the INDIVIDUAL the benefit of the doubt and I still judge people based on behavior.

There are plenty of drag queen night clubs that put on shows for the curious and do not allow minors. Those drag queens are a different breed from the  pedophiles who prefer to read to children and perform sexually enhanced dance moves in front of them.

Homosexuals who act like normal people and keep their lives private are a different breed from the I'M HERE, I'M QUEER AND I'M IN YOUR FACE crowd that demanded an entire Pride month.

Normal people do not want to see heterosexual couples going at it in public. We yell "GET A ROOM" to these inconsiderate types who cannot control themselves. It's not necessarily about a sexual preference as much as it is the IN YOUR FACE attitude.

[Nationalist]

On 6/23/2023 at 10:44 AM, SpankyMcFarland said:

I think the Brits are less wound up about this issue. As I pointed out in another thread, I was playing Eve as a young teenager in my boys’ school - somebody had to do it and I don’t think it made me any weirder. One of the greatest Monty Python sketches involves the lads in female attire:

https://montycasinos.com/montypython/scripts/premise.php.html

 

Did Edna Everage corrupt the youth of England? 

 

Which is comedy. You remember comedy...don't you?

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/29/2023 at 8:08 AM, Nationalist said:

As for you...you trashy little nonse...

I'm soon gonna be a grandfather. Should I happen to find a trannie teaching his warped ideas to my grandchildren, there will be abject Hell to pay.

This is what you sound like.

 

[betsy]

On 6/23/2023 at 1:02 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Did you watch the video? The point of Drag Queen Story Hour is to teacher CHILDREN that it's ok to be different. Gender roles can be broken. Basically, they're teaching CHILDREN much like teachers teach CHILDREN.

 

 

 

Of course.............that's called, GROOMING.

Edited July 11, 2023 by betsy

[betsy]

On 6/22/2023 at 11:00 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Do you have any evidence that drag queens are more likely to molest children? Or are you just repeating talking-points like an NPC?

 

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The point of Drag Queen Story Hour is to teacher CHILDREN that it's ok to be different. Gender roles can be broken. Basically, they're teaching CHILDREN much like teachers teach CHILDREN.

 

 

Lol - why do drag queens focus on teaching CHILDREN?

Why are they so interested in sexuality of children?

 

Let parents teach their own children about sexuality!

Edited July 11, 2023 by betsy

[Perspektiv]

On 6/23/2023 at 1:02 PM, Americana Antifa said:

Gender roles can be broken.

You mean, like what kids have done since the start of time?

My wife's daughter is a girl, yet she rides a motorcycle and is more masculine than her male peers. She does motocross, can fix her own motorcycle, and loves tinkering with things and is cool, calm and measured when she speaks.

This is what I am used to. For her prom, she embraced her femininity and wore a gown that we picked for her and was proud when she was crowned. 

Then it was back to shorts and a jersey, and playing the game she loves most--basketball. 

Gender nonconforming behaviors are nothing new.

As an asexual, most within my group don't conform to gender norms. 

My wife is tomboyish, but loves to dress girly. Am effeminate, so we work perfect. 

Teaching kids to be themselves, will resonate with most. 

Teaching them that gender doesn't exist, or somehow is as malleable as your imagination can conjure it, will confuse.

I have been on several asexuality and LGBTQ forums trying to figure myself out, and there was a major constant.

The growing volume of youth, that legitimately don't know what gender they are. Many of which flip flop from being a woman, to being a man, just like girls in my era did for being straight or bi. 

How many bi girls do you think there are in the circle of friends I grew up with. How many goth girls? I grew up with plenty as well.

Point am making, is its taking advantage of how impressionable kids are, and the sense of belonging that teens are desperate for, to push forward an ideology that will hurt thousands, for a percentile of the population.

Growing up, I played with dolls, loved getting my nails painted and played house not realizing this was what men weren't supposed to do, socially. 

I was always taught to be strong, but to embrace who I was. 

These are values that should be instilled into kids teaching them to know who they are and stand for it (understanding that most in time will figure it out), vs teaching them gender and queer ideology, and pushing them to be confused about who they are even more.

[Perspektiv]

4 minutes ago, betsy said:

Why are they so interested in sexuality of children?

Kids are impressionable. 

Honestly. I told a kid his middle finger is how some said hi in Africa (to my defense, I was 12).

I felt bad learning from his older sister that he got in trouble for flipping the bird to his teacher, while greeting her.

I won't lie. I also found it funny.

Kids are gullible. More the reason to be weary that schools want to have more control over their minds, vs their education.

 

[Nationalist]

9 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is what you sound like.

 

Only to a trashy little nonse like you.

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, betsy said:

 

 

Of course.............that's called, GROOMING.

So when you say "grooming," you really just mean any kind of education for children. Like teaching kids to read, that's grooming.

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

Only to a trashy little nonse like you.

They can't make you learn. Learning is woke.

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, Perspektiv said:

You mean, like what kids have done since the start of time?

Little kids do, then they're taught "that's not for boys/girls." Society conditions kids since birth that they have to do either "girl things" or boy things." Drag Queen Story Hour is good because it says, bump that, do what you want.

The reason Republicans are obsessed with trans people and drag queens now is to distract from economics, but conservativism as an ideology and movement has always been against these things because they question the patriarchy. Part of conservatism is the idea that gender roles must be enforced. But drag queens, gay people, and trans people all debunk the argument that we need enforced gender roles to have a functioning society.

 

 

3 hours ago, betsy said:

Lol - why do drag queens focus on teaching CHILDREN?

Most of them don't.

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Why are they so interested in sexuality of children?

They're not. Drag Queen Story Hour isn't about sex, you creepy weirdo.

[Nationalist]

27 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

So when you say "grooming," you really just mean any kind of education for children. Like teaching kids to read, that's grooming.

They can't make you learn. Learning is woke.

I see you find it necessary to warp the intended meaning of "grooming" and the intent of learning.

This leads me to believe you find nothing wrong with trannies "grooming" kids. Not that I'm surprised. I mean...you do take the deplorable side just about...always.

[Perspektiv]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

"that's not for boys/girls."

Ok, and what happens?

My dad told me dolls aren't for boys. What do you think happened? I still played with dolls when he wasn't there. I loved my sisters dolls. My GI Joe's that had their feet welded to a base to me, were s*** toys.

My sister had an oven, she could make cakes. Her dolls had huge cars. I could put makeup on her dolls..okay fine, I drew mustaches and blackened teeth to make them look like pirates, but today, this would be making the doll gender neutral, and partially cracked out. 

When I was an adult. "Baking is for sissies". I can out bake my wife, albeit she otherwise smokes me in the kitchen.

"Men aren't supposed to cry". I cry at tough to watch movies. Ok, and? My wife loves me more for it as it makes me more human to her. I can intuitively read her moods, and adjust without any words being said. I don't think am this way if I didn't embrace my feminine side.

You are trying to suppress natural behaviors. 

Someone hits my wife, I wouldn't hesitate to kill or inflict severe bodily harm onto them. This is instinct. I protect my loved ones, and am prepared to lose my life to do so. 

I bust my a** for her, even though she is independent, so I could take care of her if she needed it.

Yet, I would cry at movies, wear my nieces tiaras and own it, and couldn't care less about putting out a tough guy image. 

There is nothing wrong with gender roles.

There is something wrong with enforcing toxicity.

Society needs stand up men, just like it needs nurturing women to function.

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

do what you want

..but say anything that goes against the ideology and we will make your life miserable. Go on, be free! 

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

they question the patriarchy

What patriarchy? We are talking about the west, right? What patriarchy?

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

enforced gender roles to have a functioning society

How is this enforced? Most parents will let their kids be kids. 

Okay, so i got toy trucks. Ok, and? 

Kids know nothing about the issues you raise. 

You're better off teaching kids about loving the fellow human, respect than to shove ideology into a brain too young to understand it.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Perspektiv

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Nationalist said:

I see you find it necessary to warp the intended meaning of "grooming" and the intent of learning.

This leads me to believe you find nothing wrong with trannies "grooming" kids. Not that I'm surprised. I mean...you do take the deplorable side just about...always.

No, I'm calling out your dishonesty. The Right knows that the word "grooming" has sexual overtones, so they use it any time they're trying to demonize people who teach kids. If a teacher is teaching kids that it's ok to be different, and you fascists want to demonize that teacher, you'll say they're grooming those kids.

I think trannies teaching kids that it's ok to be different and ignore gender roles is good.

[Americana Antifa]

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

Ok, and what happens?

Sometimes kids do what they want any way, sometimes they don't. The fact that we still live under a patriarchy means that gender roles still control the lives of way too many people.

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

My dad told me dolls aren't for boys. What do you think happened? I still played with dolls when he wasn't there. I loved my sisters dolls. My GI Joe's that had their feet welded to a base to me, were s*** toys.

My sister had an oven, she could make cakes. Her dolls had huge cars. I could put makeup on her dolls..okay fine, I drew mustaches and blackened teeth to make them look like pirates, but today, this would be making the doll gender neutral, and partially cracked out. 

When I was an adult. "Baking is for sissies". I can out bake my wife, albeit she otherwise smokes me in the kitchen.

"Men aren't supposed to cry". I cry at tough to watch movies. Ok, and? My wife loves me more for it as it makes me more human to her. I can intuitively read her moods, and adjust without any words being said. I don't think am this way if I didn't embrace my feminine side.

You are trying to suppress natural behaviors. 

Someone hits my wife, I wouldn't hesitate to kill or inflict severe bodily harm onto them. This is instinct. I protect my loved ones, and am prepared to lose my life to do so. 

I bust my a** for her, even though she is independent, so I could take care of her if she needed it.

Yet, I would cry at movies, wear my nieces tiaras and own it, and couldn't care less about putting out a tough guy image. 

There is nothing wrong with gender roles.

There is something wrong with enforcing toxicity.

Society needs stand up men, just like it needs nurturing women to function.

Yes, I'm sure you have plenty of anecdotal evidence, I'm sure each one is more real than the last. The reality is that lots of kids grow up being afraid of breaking gender roles. This is especially true of boys, because if they do girly things, they're called weak or gay.

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

..but say anything that goes against the ideology and we will make your life miserable. Go on, be free! 

Respond to me, not the voices in your head.

34 minutes ago, Perspektiv said:

What patriarchy? We are talking about the west, right? What patriarchy?

Do I really need to start listing studies that prove gender roles still affect people? Like can you stop the bad faith anti-reality arguments?

[Perspektiv]

16 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

a patriarchy

What patriarchy? 

What is stopping you from being you? Patriarchy is a weak cop out term. Precisely, what is stopping you?

My wife is a woman, and is incredibly smart and competent. She has as a result, dominated in male dominated environments. 

What is stopping her in western society? 

I want to paint my nails. What is stopping me?

23 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

gender roles still control the lives 

How?

Who makes my wife cook me supper? Patriarchy?

Or just maybe one of her love languages is acts of service, and she feels happiest taking care of me, just like I feel happy taking care of her. Both choices. 

Now, if I beat her for making me a lukewarm sandwich and it was cold, this still isn't patriarchy. Its abuse. 

We are a free society. 

Want proof? Many women complain  most men on the market aren't suitable in the west. They choose not to date them.

Am black. Many men skip out on their duty as men, to protect and provide for their family. My mother raised me on her own.

What gender roles? 

Simple concept. Don't want to abide by gender roles? Don't.

Most are content, just like my wife and I are, in being men or women. 

So, you want to wear a pink wig and bikini as a male at the beach and hate that you get laughed at?

This isn't the patriarchy. 

My wife roasted a woman at the beach, rolling her eyes and her and her girlfriends tanning in sexy bikinis. Everything was covered. One issue. The woman didn't have a Brazilian, and had pubic hairs sticking out from her bottom.

So the girls roasted her, and she had to make a walk of shame, pubic hairs and all. 

The patriarchy? Try hygiene.

Same reason I will see a woman with a shaved head and dreadlocks, hairy armpits and no bra with an angry look on her face and 40 piercings in her face will have bad body odor, when she walks past me.

Humans are insanely judgmental. Welcome to the real world. It's cold, and nobody in it cares about your feelings.

Controlling what people do or say from the government down, isn't making people kinder. It simply suppresses freedoms.

37 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The reality is that lots of kids grow up being afraid of breaking gender roles. 

Okay, and?

I'm supposed to overhaul my life and my kid be brainwashed in school for it, because?

38 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

This is especially true of boys, because if they do girly things, they're called weak or gay.

Welcome to planet earth. I was called a f****t more times than I can care for. Kids are mean people. 

I had f** written on my locker. Every guy that talked to me, was my boyfriend. 

Indoctrination isn't the answer. Teach your kid not to be a piece of s***. 

Forcing things onto people in fact makes it worse. There has been a sharp spike in violent crime against the LGBTQ community.

41 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Do I really need to start listing studies that prove gender roles still affect people?

I can also list studies that show women and men tend to lean towards certain career choices, based on just that. Choice.

I get daily deliveries. Female and male drivers. Mostly male. Patriarchy?

Or is it that more men, simply would prefer driving an 18 wheeler all day?

Who is stopping you? 

Things will never be 50/50, because genders aren't 50/50.

I am a foot taller than my wife. 100lbs heavier. I as a result, am much stronger. Avererage man will be, too. 

What you're listing, is cherry picked studies, to show somehow women are still oppressed socially, when evidence shows the opposite.

What slays me, is a woman talking about the patriarchy, wanting me to pay for the date or complaining about chivalry being dead. 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

No, I'm calling out your dishonesty. The Right knows that the word "grooming" has sexual overtones, so they use it any time they're trying to demonize people who teach kids. If a teacher is teaching kids that it's ok to be different, and you fascists want to demonize that teacher, you'll say they're grooming those kids.

Hmmm...

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

I think trannies teaching kids that it's ok to be different and ignore gender roles is good.

You can think that if you like...but that doesn't mean you're right...because you're not.

How many times will you Libbies change the meaning of English language to suit your desires?

GENDER = SEX AT BIRTH.! The presence of an X and Y chromosome in a person means MALE!

It always has and it always will.

As for the word "grooming", it is what it is. You let warped freaks into elementary schools and the visage and message to little kids is warped sexuality and you think this is OK. IT IS NOT OK.! Not by any stretch of the imagination.

Edited July 11, 2023 by Nationalist

[Perspektiv]

3 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

demonize people who teach kids. 

Teaching kids, is understanding what you are teaching can be questioned.

What you're teaching kids with gender ideology, isn't education. Its indoctrination. You cannot question it. Thats bigotry. A lot of the facts are based on how one feels vs factual demonstrable evidence.

Teaching kids isn't being demonized. Trying to condition kids and their way of thinking at an age where they are defenseless, is.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

that it's ok to be different

If that's all that was being taught, there wouldn't be a problem. 

If I have a daughter at school, you're damn right I would have a problem with teachers telling her if she wanted to be a man, she could be. She's a girl. If she figures out she is gay later, good on her. 

Kids have a way of just knowing. I always knew I was different. 

I never had much of a sexual drive. I saw peers unable not to stick their d*** into everything, thinking to myself that this urge seems like a curse o_O. "I would much rather go to the library". Completely oblivious to the sexual innuendo women threw my way. 

"Bro, she just offered you her body on a platter. I wish I could get girls that fine hitting on me. What is wrong with you?!"

I felt something was wrong, but knew. I found out I was asexual. 

Again. I didn't need a teacher trying to overhaul my views on gender. Gay people. Every single one I know. They just knew.  Trans.

Every single one. They just knew.

This has nothing to do with education.

4 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

and ignore gender roles is good

This is the issue. A child shouldn't have to ignore gender roles. Just like they shouldn't be forced to be subjected to queer theory. 

Let the kids be kids. They can figure their own s*** out over time. Its okay to be different. Simple. 

Complicating things to where people lose their sense of self  doesn't help anything but the ideology you want followed.

[betsy]

20 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Most of them don't.

 

 

I don't care about that.

I care about the LGBTQ ACTIVISTS who want to make that happen!

 

Politicizing LGBTQ is what's causing division and ugliness all around.  If not for that - people just tend to shrug things off and apply live and let live attitude. 

 

Trying to "educate" people's children on sexuality............................ is waving the red flag.   You don't mess up with people's children!

  When  people's children are at stake, that's practically begging for a backlash.  I'm definitely with parents and children on this.

 

 

Edited July 12, 2023 by betsy