Muslims and Christians unite on the streets of Ottawa, trampling the Gender Ideology Flag

[Dougie93]

On 6/15/2023 at 12:16 AM, Zeitgeist said:

I hear you and appreciate your support.

you are an inspirational leader

one of the finest men I've ever had the privilege to know

I would follow you over the top, even unto the forlorn hope

Dileas

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/15/2023 at 10:23 AM, I am Groot said:

It's especially apropos to admit you're a trans woman right after you get arrested for raping women, right? Then you get to go to womens prison! Yay! 

That's not how it works. Like with sports, you have to prove that you've been on hormones for at least a year.

See, right-wing media keeps you ignorant because if you knew anything about trans issues, you wouldn't fall for the propaganda. People like you make the argument that we actually do need to be teaching this stuff in school.

 

[I am Groot]

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not how it works. Like with sports, you have to prove that you've been on hormones for at least a year.

That is NOT what the law says.

[Americana Antifa]

3 hours ago, I am Groot said:

That is NOT what the law says.

Yes, because the prisons have been privatized. I disagree with that, I think they should be nationalized.

However, the point is women's prisons don't just let in male prisoners who claim to be women. They have to prove they've been on hormones.

And I know transphobes don't care about data, but the fact is that letting trans women into women's prisons has not caused an increase in sexual assault. Not that the Right actually cares about prison conditions. This is just another case of concern trolling to attack the trannies.

[CdnFox]

13 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

And I know transphobes don't care about data, but the fact is that letting trans women into women's prisons has not caused an increase in sexual assault.

So you're saying they assault other women at the same rate

the number of men who've demanded this is so small vs the overall population that they could commit double or triple the number of rapes and it wouldn't make a blip.

So lets see this data of yours.  I' have a funny feeling it doesnt' say what you say it says. If it exists at all.

[Zeitgeist]

13 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

That's not how it works. Like with sports, you have to prove that you've been on hormones for at least a year.

See, right-wing media keeps you ignorant because if you knew anything about trans issues, you wouldn't fall for the propaganda. People like you make the argument that we actually do need to be teaching this stuff in school.

 

Increasingly few people agree with your anti-reality wishful thinking, thankfully:

https://www.newsweek.com/why-americans-are-getting-more-conservative-trans-issue-opinion-1807238?amp=1

[Americana Antifa]

1 hour ago, Zeitgeist said:

Increasingly few people agree with your anti-reality wishful thinking, thankfully:

https://www.newsweek.com/why-americans-are-getting-more-conservative-trans-issue-opinion-1807238?amp=1

Did you read this article or just the headline?

The things that most Americans are wrong about are things they've always been wrong about. For example: Even the majority of millennials and Gen Zers now accept the gender binary, as do vast majorities of almost every major religious group.

Yeah, it's always been like that. Most people, even most millennials and zoomers, don't know the difference between gender and sex, or that sex is bimodal, not binary. This would be like saying "Americans are reembracing religion, the majority of millennials and zoomers now believe in a god!" When really, that's not a new thing, those generations have always been majority-theist. So it doesn't indicate a change in a trend.

The truth is most Americans accept that trans people are valid in the gender they identify with. There is still plenty that the average American gets wrong on trans issues, but that's a different story.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-anti-transgender-laws

[I am Groot]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Yes, because the prisons have been privatized. I disagree with that, I think they should be nationalized.

However, the point is women's prisons don't just let in male prisoners who claim to be women. They have to prove they've been on hormones.

No doubt you will be able to cite evidence of this.\

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

And I know transphobes don't care about data, but the fact is that letting trans women into women's prisons has not caused an increase in sexual assault. Not that the Right actually cares about prison conditions. This is just another case of concern trolling to attack the trannies.

Once again, you're pulling this out of your ass, buddy. The facts are contrary to your beliefs.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-man-should-ever-be-sent-to-a-womens-prison-again/

https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes

[Zeitgeist]

6 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Did you read this article or just the headline?

The things that most Americans are wrong about are things they've always been wrong about. For example: Even the majority of millennials and Gen Zers now accept the gender binary, as do vast majorities of almost every major religious group.

Yeah, it's always been like that. Most people, even most millennials and zoomers, don't know the difference between gender and sex, or that sex is bimodal, not binary. This would be like saying "Americans are reembracing religion, the majority of millennials and zoomers now believe in a god!" When really, that's not a new thing, those generations have always been majority-theist. So it doesn't indicate a change in a trend.

The truth is most Americans accept that trans people are valid in the gender they identify with. There is still plenty that the average American gets wrong on trans issues, but that's a different story.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-anti-transgender-laws

You clearly didn’t read the article:

”New polling shows that far more Americans in 2023 believe there are only two possible sexes—male and female—than believed this in 2021. According to the "Politics of Gender, Pronouns, and Public Education," a new report released by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), between 2021 and 2023, the percentage of Americans who said that there are only two possible genders increased by over 10 percentage points, from 59 percent of Americans to 65 percent of Americans. Meanwhile, the percentage saying there are many gender identities fell to a low of 34 percent.”

[CdnFox]

19 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

Did you read this article or just the headline?

The things that most Americans are wrong about are things they've always been wrong about. For example: Even the majority of millennials and Gen Zers now accept the gender binary, as do vast majorities of almost every major religious group.

Yeah, it's always been like that. Most people, even most millennials and zoomers, don't know the difference between gender and sex, or that sex is bimodal, not binary. This would be like saying "Americans are reembracing religion, the majority of millennials and zoomers now believe in a god!" When really, that's not a new thing, those generations have always been majority-theist. So it doesn't indicate a change in a trend.

The truth is most Americans accept that trans people are valid in the gender they identify with. There is still plenty that the average American gets wrong on trans issues, but that's a different story.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-americans

Ahhh yes - the old leftie lie - "I know everyone thinks i'm wrong - but they just don't understand! Only I have the true knowledge!"  LOLOL

The truth is is that americans understand the difference between gender and sex just fine.

Your problem is that the only thing "fluid" about "gender" is the left's definition of it.  Even in discussions here your version of 'gender' frequently changes and twists to try to fit your argument.

So sure - people accept that trans people aren't evil or the like, that they have an illness.  But - at the same time they're not buying this idea that there's 147 different genders out there.   There are two genders and everybody is a mix and blend of those two genders. 

And they're getting sick of this idea of multiple genders and that's starting to translate into getting sick of 'over-indulging'  trans people's mental health issues.

And i note your "recent article" is 2021 - while @Zeitgeist 's  article is from 2023.

 

You're behind the times girl - and you're losing.  

[Zeitgeist]

Wishing something doesn’t always make it so.

What’s good for us isn’t always what we want.  

[CdnFox]

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/rahim-mohamed-multiculturalists-confused-as-muslim-modesty-clashes-with-pride

Multiculturalists confused as Muslim modesty clashes with Pride

 

Looks like its happening in vancouver as well.

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/20/2023 at 9:04 PM, Zeitgeist said:

You clearly didn’t read the article:

”New polling shows that far more Americans in 2023 believe there are only two possible sexes—male and female—than believed this in 2021. According to the "Politics of Gender, Pronouns, and Public Education," a new report released by the Public Religion Research Institute (PRRI), between 2021 and 2023, the percentage of Americans who said that there are only two possible genders increased by over 10 percentage points, from 59 percent of Americans to 65 percent of Americans. Meanwhile, the percentage saying there are many gender identities fell to a low of 34 percent.”

Cool, but this has nothing to do with anything. I already explained how the normies don't know much about sex and gender, but still support trans rights. I read the article, but apparently you didn't read my reply.

If your argument is that people saying there are only two genders indicates a rejection of trans rights, then you're wrong. Plenty of people aren't aware that other societies recognize more genders, but still accept that a person can change their gender.

[Americana Antifa]

On 6/20/2023 at 3:52 PM, I am Groot said:

Once again, you're pulling this out of your ass, buddy. The facts are contrary to your beliefs.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/no-man-should-ever-be-sent-to-a-womens-prison-again/

https://torontosun.com/news/national/study-finds-nearly-45-of-trans-women-inmates-convicted-of-sex-crimes

Where does it say trans prisoners are more likely to commit sexual assault in prison?

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

Where does it say trans prisoners are more likely to commit sexual assault in prison?

Yeah why would a male criminal alone in prison among women, including naked ones in communal showers, have sex and possibly impregnate or sexually assault any women?  ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!

Edited June 23, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Americana Antifa]

9 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yeah why would a male criminal alone in prison among women, including naked ones in communal showers, have sex and possibly impregnate or sexually assault any women?  ARE YOU FRICKEN KIDDING ME RIGHT NOW?!

So no evidence? That's a shame.

Like I said, most prisons have rules regarding trans prisoners. There are no women's prisons that just allow in any male claiming to be trans.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Cool, but this has nothing to do with anything.

It has everything to do with everything.

There's a backlash happening and it's going to go on for a while. And your fantasy explinations won't help.

Check the numbers kiddo - this ain't just the republicans any more. This is well into the mushy middle and even into the Red democrats as you'd call them i guess. (we'd call them blue liberals but whatever)

1 hour ago, Americana Antifa said:

Like I said, most prisons have rules regarding trans prisoners.

Not really - as far as i can see that's actually not the norm.  But maybe my data is old, can you show where 'Most" prisons are that way now?  And by 'most' do you mean like 51 percent or what exactly?

(She will either change the subject or meme at me now  LOL)

[Americana Antifa]

24 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

It has everything to do with everything.

There's a backlash happening and it's going to go on for a while. And your fantasy explinations won't help.

Check the numbers kiddo - this ain't just the republicans any more. This is well into the mushy middle and even into the Red democrats as you'd call them i guess. (we'd call them blue liberals but whatever)

The numbers in that link show that more people think there are only two genders. It doesn't offer any evidence that this reflects more people thinking that a person can't change their gender.

The average American thinks there are only two genders and that sex is a binary. However, they also think that a person can transition genders. There are also a lot of Americans who don't believe that, but still oppose all of these anti-trans laws. These are kinda like the people who were kinda racist, but still supported ending segregation. The Archie Bunker types, basically.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/new-poll-shows-americans-overwhelmingly-oppose-anti-transgender-laws

[CdnFox]

37 minutes ago, Americana Antifa said:

The numbers in that link show that more people think there are only two genders. It doesn't offer any evidence that this reflects more people thinking that a person can't change their gender.

Nobody said they did. But they DO have a problem with it being pushed on children

And your data is 2021. Here's something a little more recent.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/majority-side-with-premier-blaine-higgs-on-gender-identity-poll

https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-nearly-80-of-voters-oppose-transgender-procedures-on-minors

So that's canada and america.

People are getting more and more open to having restrictions on gender surgery especially for kids, getting more and more fed up with trans people and gay people pushing an agenda.

They were fine when they did their own thing and the straights did their own thing and nobody pushed their ideology on anyone else.

Now - not so fine as the trans and gays are not content with worrying about themselves and demand others participate in their life styles.

And going after children was a huge mistake. Telling parents how to raise their kids and exposing them to sexually explicit ideas at very young ages is a pretty fast way to get parents in an uproar.

[Americana Antifa]

37 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

Nobody said they did. But they DO have a problem with it being pushed on children

And your data is 2021. Here's something a little more recent.

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/majority-side-with-premier-blaine-higgs-on-gender-identity-poll

https://www.dailywire.com/news/poll-nearly-80-of-voters-oppose-transgender-procedures-on-minors

The Daily Wire is cartoonishly fake news, so we'll disregard that. As for this claim from the National Post: 57 per cent agree schools should have to tell parents about their child’s desire to change their gender or pronouns.

That doesn't mean they're against kids learning that trans people exist. And that is what you mean when you say "pushed on children," you just mean that it's because taught to children.

Personally, I totally get where these people are coming from. If a child has signs of gender dysphoria, the parents should know right away so they can help them. But on the other hand, if the kid's parents are transphobic, not telling them might be the lesser evil. I think this should really be a case by case kinda thing. So yeah, I don't think it's anti-trans to think schools should have to tell the parents, I just don't think it should be standard policy.

Finally, you started this by saying that nobody said they did, but that was Zeitgeist's argument. That people are rejecting trans rights. The numbers actually show that people are still overwhelmingly in favor of trans rights and against the anti-trans bills, but there is some good faith disagreement over certain trans issues among this majority.

[Zeitgeist]

10 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

So no evidence? That's a shame.

Like I said, most prisons have rules regarding trans prisoners. There are no women's prisons that just allow in any male claiming to be trans.

You seem unaware of news.  A trans female impregnated two female prisoners.  I’m not digging up common knowledge.  You can Google like everyone else.  

[CdnFox]

8 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

The Daily Wire is cartoonishly fake news, so we'll disregard that. As for this claim from the National Post: 57 per cent agree schools should have to tell parents about their child’s desire to change their gender or pronouns.

 

When you don't like the truth - attack the source! LOLOL

What it means is that:

a) - a lot of parents are getting entirely sick of the 'pro-gay-trans' agenda aimed at their kids.

And b) - their numbers are growing. And the sentiment is getting worse

There are organized groups who are normally left wing voters who's children are publically stomping on the pride flag over this stuff in two provinces and major cities within them in canada.

You pushed your hatred too far. Now it's coming back to bite you. It's as simple as that. We'll see how far the pendulum swings before it's over.

[Americana Antifa]

14 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

You seem unaware of news.  A trans female impregnated two female prisoners.  I’m not digging up common knowledge.  You can Google like everyone else.  

Cool, but that doesn't contradict what I said. 

[Americana Antifa]

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

When you don't like the truth - attack the source! LOLOL

If the sources makes up stories, then why should we assume the stories they post are true?

13 hours ago, CdnFox said:

What it means is that:

a) - a lot of parents are getting entirely sick of the 'pro-gay-trans' agenda aimed at their kids.

And b) - their numbers are growing. And the sentiment is getting worse

You're not addressing my point because you know I'm correct.

I'm just going to repost my last post, which you're ignoring, for the other users here. This is what the transphobes are running from: 

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That doesn't mean they're against kids learning that trans people exist. And that is what you mean when you say "pushed on children," you just mean that it's because taught to children.

Personally, I totally get where these people are coming from. If a child has signs of gender dysphoria, the parents should know right away so they can help them. But on the other hand, if the kid's parents are transphobic, not telling them might be the lesser evil. I think this should really be a case by case kinda thing. So yeah, I don't think it's anti-trans to think schools should have to tell the parents, I just don't think it should be standard policy.

Finally, you started this by saying that nobody said they did, but that was Zeitgeist's argument. That people are rejecting trans rights. The numbers actually show that people are still overwhelmingly in favor of trans rights and against the anti-trans bills, but there is some good faith disagreement over certain trans issues among this majority.

 

 

[CdnFox]

2 hours ago, Americana Antifa said:

If the sources makes up stories, then why should we assume the stories they post are true?

 

It's easily verified -so verify if it doesn't seem valid. But you can't just label it as false because of the source.  Sorry.

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You're not addressing my point because you know I'm correct.

I literally addressed the point head on.  Which means you're in denial again becuase you know you're wrong.

 

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I'm just going to repost my last post, which you're ignoring, for the other users here. This is what the transphobes are running from: 

Repeating a lie doesn't make it true kiddo
 

And Remember: Every time you need to rewrite what the person actually said by saying "and that's what you really mean" You've already admitted that you're wrong.

What you really want is the right to be able to wave someone's penis in front of the child as we've seen at the gay pride parades. What you really want is children to be expelled for not wearing the pride colors When required to. What you really want is parents taken out of the decision-making process if children have gender issues.

See how easy that is ?