Martin's Big Mouth

[Guest eureka]

When you have read the Protocol, get back to me. When you have absorbed the affirmations in the Montreal Conference get back to me.

[America1]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American. We Americans have taken a lot of international shot in the past few years (some we brought on ourselves). You don’t like some of our policies? That’s fine; we don’t like some of yours. But, to deliberately purposely insult us and our ELECTED gvt administration in front of a global media is a DISGRACE and certainly no the way to treat an ally (and Canadians were upset that Pres. Bush said England was our closest ally after 9-11, obviously he was right, your NOT our friends and we are starting to understand that very clearly). This latest incident was a HUGE slap in the face. Know this, the US is awaking to how Canadians feel about us and guess what ,,,,, we don’t like it very much. If you want a fight, just keep pushing, we will not tolerate much more.

[speaker]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American. We Americans have taken a lot of international shot in the past few years (some we brought on ourselves). You don’t like some of our policies? That’s fine; we don’t like some of yours. But, to deliberately purposely insult us and our ELECTED gvt administration in front of a global media is a DISGRACE and certainly no the way to treat an ally (and Canadians were upset that Pres. Bush said England was our closest ally after 9-11, obviously he was right, your NOT our friends and we are starting to understand that very clearly). This latest incident was a HUGE slap in the face. Know this, the US is awaking to how Canadians feel about us and guess what ,,,,, we don’t like it very much. If you want a fight, just keep pushing, we will not tolerate much more.

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See now this is what I'm saying, here is a Canadian trying to stir up anti -Canadian sentiment by assuming the stereotypical ignorant American redneck reaction to everything. Well you went overboard buddy. Nobody believes even rednecks are that sensitive to positive suggestions from our esteemed Prime Minister, let alone a large number of Americans unless a large number for you is , say, 5 or 6. That was a good try though, but not something that a shrewd bunch of political hacks like those of us on here are going to think twice about.

[America1]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American. We Americans have taken a lot of international shot in the past few years (some we brought on ourselves). You don’t like some of our policies? That’s fine; we don’t like some of yours. But, to deliberately purposely insult us and our ELECTED gvt administration in front of a global media is a DISGRACE and certainly no the way to treat an ally (and Canadians were upset that Pres. Bush said England was our closest ally after 9-11, obviously he was right, your NOT our friends and we are starting to understand that very clearly). This latest incident was a HUGE slap in the face. Know this, the US is awaking to how Canadians feel about us and guess what ,,,,, we don’t like it very much. If you want a fight, just keep pushing, we will not tolerate much more.

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See now this is what I'm saying, here is a Canadian trying to stir up anti -Canadian sentiment by assuming the stereotypical ignorant American redneck reaction to everything. Well you went overboard buddy. Nobody believes even rednecks are that sensitive to positive suggestions from our esteemed Prime Minister, let alone a large number of Americans unless a large number for you is , say, 5 or 6. That was a good try though, but not something that a shrewd bunch of political hacks like those of us on here are going to think twice about.

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First things first, you come off like an arrogant jackass!

Try turning on a radio or tv sometimes, almost every political program mentioned this last week. Do you think they called Ambassador McKenna in to express our anger as show? But, believe whatever you want.

[newbie]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American. We Americans have taken a lot of international shot in the past few years (some we brought on ourselves). You don’t like some of our policies? That’s fine; we don’t like some of yours. But, to deliberately purposely insult us and our ELECTED gvt administration in front of a global media is a DISGRACE and certainly no the way to treat an ally (and Canadians were upset that Pres. Bush said England was our closest ally after 9-11, obviously he was right, your NOT our friends and we are starting to understand that very clearly). This latest incident was a HUGE slap in the face. Know this, the US is awaking to how Canadians feel about us and guess what ,,,,, we don’t like it very much. If you want a fight, just keep pushing, we will not tolerate much more.

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It was us "anti-Americans" who housed all you folks when you landed your planes due to 911, or have you forgot about that little incident. Keep voting in Bushs' and we'll keep criticising the administration. And we're not alone. Ask the rest of the world. And while I'm at it, here's what Dubya thinks of your constitution. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_7779.shtml

[America1]

It was us "anti-Americans" who housed all you folks when you landed your planes due to 911, or have you forgot about that little incident. Keep voting in Bushs' and we'll keep criticising the administration. And we're not alone. Ask the rest of the world. And while I'm at it, here's what Dubya thinks of your constitution. http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publ...icle_7779.shtml

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"housed all of you folks" - is this for real? There were what, a few thousand people stranded out of almost 300 million?

Are you saying you don't believe there is a large anti-American voice coming out of Canada and the Canadian gvt in the past few years?

I actually can't believe that you think the "capitolhillblue" post has any credibility? - You really must be naive. Go back to your high school class kid, the grown ups are talking here.

[Black Dog]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American.

I seriously doubt that a large number of Americans give even a passing thought to Canadian attitudes.

[newbie]

I actually can't believe that you think the "capitolhillblue" post has any credibility? - You really must be naive. Go back to your high school class kid, the grown ups are talking here.

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Best use your words to refute the issues instead of reverting to ad hominem attacks.

[America1]

Best use your words to refute the issues instead of reverting to ad hominem attacks.

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Well, if you post things that have absolutely no bases in reality, don’t be surprised if I treat you like you a fool.

In short, the article you posted, was crap.

[newbie]

America1, let's see if we can get back on track. I think what Canadians dislike is the "either your with us or your with the terrorists" kind of attitude coming out of your current administration. Most eveyone I talk to has no animosity toward your citizens, but they do have some issues with Bush. I think you are blowing the Martin incident way out of proportion. It was a call to all countries to unite against global warming, and we are just as guilty as anyone. At least there is a global plan in the works. And considering that US is one of the biggest producers of greenhouse gases, it was an appropriate comment IMO.

[sharkman]

Nothing like latent anti-american sentiment to get the blood pumping for some Canadians. The U.S. is a super power and an economic giant that tolerates our silly racism only in the hope that we will come to our senses. But we are not, and our PMPM continually taking pot shots at the U.S. administration is going to have really economic fallout. Think the Americans are not playing fair with the lumber dispute? You ain't seen nothing yet baby. We are a parasite to the U.S. Sending over 80% of our total exports to sell in their economy, but offering them little else.

Things are in motion now. They will soon require all Canadians to have passports to visit their country, and this alone could cause huge delays for us Canadians who love to skip across the border to buy American goods and then trot safely home so we can stick our noses up at them. If they ever decide to shut us out of their markets since our gov. has been so two faced to them, our economy will drop like a stone.

[Biblio Bibuli]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American.

I seriously doubt that a large number of Americans give even a passing thought to Canadian attitudes.

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Not so long ago that same large number of Americans wouldn't give a passing thought to the idea that Canada is (AFTER exchange) a more expensive place to visit than anywhere else at home (including Hawaii).

Today? Today they pretty much all know that this is an undeniable fact.

Americans are patient, but they are not stupid.

[Argus]

A large # of Americans are ever-increasingly seeing Canada and its citizens as anti-American. We Americans have taken a lot of international shot in the past few years (some we brought on ourselves). You don’t like some of our policies? That’s fine; we don’t like some of yours. But, to deliberately purposely insult us and our ELECTED gvt administration in front of a global media is a DISGRACE

Nonsense. Your government is made up of morons. That ours is made up of idiots and crooks does not alter that fact. It is perfectly fine to criticise the US stand on Kyoto, or at least, it would be, if Kyoto made sense, and if we were actually doing anything about it but talking out of our ass.

, your NOT our friends and we are starting to understand that very clearly).

You do understand, don't you, that almost no one on the planet agrees with your country's international behaviour and positions on a whole host of issues? Tony Blair might support you on Iraq, but frankly, most of his people don't. Quite a bit of them are very anti-American, these days, much more so than we are. And you don't judge friendship based on the mouthings of one idiotic politician in an election campaign.

[Argus]

It was us "anti-Americans" who housed all you folks when you landed your planes due to 911, or have you forgot about that little incident.

You are not only embarrassing yourself, you're embarassing me.

Yeah, like, we let the planes land. We coulda made them fly out into the ocean and sink, y'know. We're like, so heroic! Yeesh!

PS. When did they take the rolly eye smilie away? I liked him.

[Argus]

It was a call to all countries to unite against global warming, and we are just as guilty as anyone. At least there is a global plan in the works.

Yeah, but, like, it's a dumb plan. It's as though the people on the Titanic got together and decided their best plan was to build a bucket. Then, when the bucket was finished, they could start baling. Of course, no one thought the bucket would actually stop the ship from sinking, just slow down the water coming in, a tiny, tiny, tiny, actually unnoticeable amount.

[newbie]

It was us "anti-Americans" who housed all you folks when you landed your planes due to 911, or have you forgot about that little incident.

You are not only embarrassing yourself, you're embarassing me.

Yeah, like, we let the planes land. We coulda made them fly out into the ocean and sink, y'know. We're like, so heroic! Yeesh!

PS. When did they take the rolly eye smilie away? I liked him.

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This was in reference to our hospitality, like I have to explain this. They could have all stayed on the planes, but the good folks in the area took them into their homes and forged friendships. It was a point to show how "anti-American" we are. Sheesh.

[newbie]

It was a call to all countries to unite against global warming, and we are just as guilty as anyone. At least there is a global plan in the works.

Yeah, but, like, it's a dumb plan. It's as though the people on the Titanic got together and decided their best plan was to build a bucket. Then, when the bucket was finished, they could start baling. Of course, no one thought the bucket would actually stop the ship from sinking, just slow down the water coming in, a tiny, tiny, tiny, actually unnoticeable amount.

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Thank God for opinions. Anything that the Libs would come up with would never be good enough for you anyway. At least the global community is talking, not critisizing and whining like the right on this forum.

[America1]

America1, let's see if we can get back on track. I think what Canadians dislike is the "either your with us or your with the terrorists" kind of attitude coming out of your current administration. Most eveyone I talk to has no animosity toward your citizens, but they do have some issues with Bush. I think you are blowing the Martin incident way out of proportion. It was a call to all countries to unite against global warming, and we are just as guilty as anyone. At least there is a global plan in the works. And considering that US is one of the biggest producers of greenhouse gases, it was an appropriate comment IMO.

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Weird, when I saw this poll I must have had the wrong idea about how Canadians feel towards us.

http://www.canada.com/national/features/yo...8d-b67774ac879b

Teens see United States as evil global force

a telephone poll of 500 teens aged 14 to 18, more than 40 per cent of respondents saw the U.S. as an evil global force. Among French Canadians, that number jumped to 64 per cent. Ontario proved the most conflicted on the issue; there, nearly one-fifth of youth were on the fence.

``Teens have taken (Ronald) Reagan's concept of the Soviet Union as an evil empire and turned it back on the U.S.,'' says Rudyard Griffiths, director of the Dominion Institute.

``Clearly, the anti-American sentiment isn't just something coming from 30-somethings or even 20-somethings.''

Just like I was wrong when you guys booed our national anthem during hockey games in 2003.

http://www.boston.com/dailynews/080/sports...al_anthe:.shtml

Fans boo as U.S. national anthem is played

By Associated Press, 3/21/2003 00:47

MONTREAL (AP) Fans booed during the playing of the U.S. national anthem before the New York Islanders' 6-3 victory over the Montreal Canadiens on Thursday night.

These incidents on top of the ‘missile defense rejection’ and the last weeks slap in the faceby Martin (BTW, if the message is what you wanted to get cross, then why try to humiliate us and play to the anti-American crowds?) are all starting to add up.

[Black Dog]

The U.S. is a super power and an economic giant that tolerates our silly racism only in the hope that we will come to our senses.

Uh...being a citizen of the U.S.A is not a race.

We are a parasite to the U.S. Sending over 80% of our total exports to sell in their economy, but offering them little else.

Yeah, what do they need with our oil, gas, wood, hydroelctric power etc etc...

If they ever decide to shut us out of their markets since our gov. has been so two faced to them, our economy will drop like a stone.

The term for that is "cutting off one's nose to spite one's face". Let's see: the U.S retains close economic ties with the countiesy that gave them Al Qaeda (Saudi Arabia, Pakistan), a major superpower rival who threatens U.S. allies and shoots down U.S. planes (China), and a host of other nations run by regimes that would be quite happy if the U.S. as we know it suddenly ceased to exist. But they are going to cut us off for hurting their feelings? Riiiight.

[Argus]

This was in reference to our hospitality, like I have to explain this. They could have all stayed on the planes, but the good folks in the area took them into their homes and forged friendships. It was a point to show how "anti-American" we are. Sheesh.

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People in Atlantic Canada are very friendly and hospitable. Nor has anyone ever accused them of being Anti-American. The anti-Americans are mostly in Ontario and Quebec. But the point is I have heard way too many people trumpeting this as though we deserve a freaking medal for it. We did the humane thing, something almost any western nation would have done. So we should stop patting ourselves on the back over it.

[Argus]

It was a call to all countries to unite against global warming, and we are just as guilty as anyone. At least there is a global plan in the works.

Yeah, but, like, it's a dumb plan. It's as though the people on the Titanic got together and decided their best plan was to build a bucket. Then, when the bucket was finished, they could start baling. Of course, no one thought the bucket would actually stop the ship from sinking, just slow down the water coming in, a tiny, tiny, tiny, actually unnoticeable amount.

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Thank God for opinions. Anything that the Libs would come up with would never be good enough for you anyway. At least the global community is talking, not critisizing and whining like the right on this forum.

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I am not whining I'm mocking. Yes, the Liberals are talking, and talking, and talking, and no-doubt contributing to greenhouse gas increases with all their hot air. As for whether they could ever do something good enough for me - I dunno. Let them do something good first and I'll let you know.

[Argus]

Teens see United States as evil global force

You care about what teenagers think? Is this a joke? Teenagers don't know anything about anything. They make some of the posters here seem bright by comparison. Why would you care what they think?

[Kliege]

Its about time Washington started to fight back against these Liberals.

In the 2004 presidential elections, Canadians whinged endlessly that 'if Canadians could vote in the election, Bush would lose.' Do you want them to turn round and start saying, 'Americans would not permit a country to be run like this--teetering on the edge of separation for forty years'?

Also, Canadians are no less ideological. They favour a health care system that is uniquely Canadian over one that works, the banning of inanimate objects instead of the incarceration of criminals, socialism (a proven failure) over capitalism (a proven success), apathy over passion, talk over action, statism over democracy, draft dodgers and pot growers over educated professionals--the list goes on.

Canadians can talk all they want, but they're not likely to change anything in Washington. Americans with some justice consider Canadians to be spoiled, self-indulged brats who carp endlessly from the sidelines but don't really do anything. That's not the sort of partner an action-oriented country appreciates.

[America1]

Teens see United States as evil global force

You care about what teenagers think? Is this a joke? Teenagers don't know anything about anything. They make some of the posters here seem bright by comparison. Why would you care what they think?

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The story also said "Clearly, the anti-American sentiment isn't just something coming from 30-somethings or even 20-somethings.'' - very much implying that 20 and 30 somethings have held this view for sometime.

[canuckcat]

Eueka, hasn't Canada's greenhouse gases increased by over 20% since the nineties while the U.S. has kept theirs to 13%?  They are doing better than us and they aren't even signing up for kyoto.

We Canadians should cry a collective 'well, excuuuse me'... we've been growing... and it's cold up here...

we have a very strong economy... while most others have been flagging...

our country is taking off... fasten your seat belts...