Male - Female

[Black Dog]

You watch "Sex In The City"? Does that make you a wee-man?

Actually I hate that show, but as a pop culture junkie of a certain demographic, it was hard to avoid.

Along the same lines, we hear the same dramatic distinctions in radio advertizements: the clueless-doofus husband being mocked by his household-responsible wife. If the roles were reversed, it would be called sexual discrimination.

When was the last time you saw a commercial for power tools featuring a woman?

[moderateamericain]

Im not married but i have been in some fairly long relationships, Ive long sinced figured out that i am always wrong even when i am right, therefore i have given up trying to prove my points with my girlfriends. All it leads to is me sleeping on the couch at night. I think i will leave this argument to people who dont mind going stretches without sex.

[kimmy]

When was the last time you saw a commercial for power tools featuring a woman?

There've been quite a few over the past couple of years. "You... are a handywoman." etc

The popularity of home renovation TV shows, some of them now featuring female hosts, is encouraging women to give it a shot.

-k

[Rue]

MALE – FEMALE

"It is hard to imagine if these people are truly happy or not, "

" a lot of these woman are the same woman that.."

" they (woman) are definitely not even close as to a male concerning their individuality."

"These trends start in college, when females are studying with their friends and males are running around trying to get drunk and have sex with anything on two legs. So, females often time end up with better grades and better jobs."

"most girls seem like they want any man they can, because they are the one who gets attention, and males are physically attracted to them."

"half the time a woman will go after the, “bad boy” type and get rejected and cheated on."

"the nice guys, who really want a girlfriend are rejected, and don’t even get a chance in a relationship. Thus, woman are having a harder time finding a relationship, and are not satisfied. This often leads to bitterness and feminism."

"While, males are also often times embarrassed to be with the bread winner female. However, it is sometimes true that these breadwinning females are often time bossier, into themselves, controlling, not as attractive, and have a high egos. "

" society is stuck in the middle, having divorces one night stands and other relationship problems, because they are unsatisfied. Thus, crime, depression, hatred, and envy goes up in society."

I picked out 9 subjective generalizations you made about women and to a lesser extent men. See the problem is when you start engaging in discussions about women and you make such sweeping generalizations it becomes clear you are trying to justify your subjective feelings towards women."

Without trying to get into your head I would say just from reading these 9 generalizations you must be a single, young man in his twenties who wants a relationship but can't find one and are feeling rejected. I think you are referring to yourself when you say "nice guys whor eally want a girlfriend are rejected".

May I politely give you some advise. As long as you generalize and have such strong assumptions about women you probably are going to continue to experience rejection. You sound scared of women and unable to trust them from those generalizations and in particular it sounds like you don't like it when a woman is strong, independent and successful. I say that because your generalizations in fact depict a woman who is strong, intelligent, and successful as being "bossier, controlling, not as attractive and have a high egos (sic) which although you prefaced with the word "some" to soften it down, shows your real feeling about it.

I can say this. Ease up with the generalizations and stereotypes. The world may seem at this point to be cold and unfriendly so you need to give it generalizations to make it seem less threatening but it isn't necessarily helping you.

Stop seeing women as something you can lump into categories and make generalizations about. Women are believe it or not human beings same as you. They shit, breath, sleep, and bleed just like you. Yah we have our biological differences which in turn may really create differences in how we approach things but so what?

Stop being so quick to label and try deal with each woman you meet as an individual man. stop jumping to conclusions.

I say the above with respect and not meant to attack you personally! I respect your feelings/opinions. I just think part of the problem with such a train of thought is it generalizes people too much especially women.

[August1991]

What is the difference between Females and Males?

Check this

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[Drea]

We soooo need a culture forum....

Young women being tricked into kissing chimps.... funny but really nothing to do with "the difference between Females and Males".

[Argus]

We soooo need a culture forum....

Young women being tricked into kissing chimps.... funny but really nothing to do with "the difference between Females and Males".

Difference between females and males.

A psychological study done oh, about ten years back, I think. I can't find it but I remember it. Basically they had volunteers walk down a hall, then someone in a big ape costume (which is why I'm remembering this) jumped out at them howling.

Both males and females tended to scream, as well.

Almost all of the females did so while sort of cringing and twisting away.

Almost all of the males did so while striking out blindly with hands or feet.

[August1991]

Young women being tricked into kissing chimps.... funny but really nothing to do with "the difference between Females and Males".

It was meant as a joke and rather than start a new thread, I put it here. It somehow seems relevant. Feminists often argue that modern society "objectifies" women but it works the other way too.

Both men and women are perfectly capable of looking at only surface features in assessing another person.

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It seems to me the main (I'd argue the only) difference between women and men is the difference they bring to the reproductive process. All other differences stem from this fundamental difference.

As it stands, in all species that rely on separate sexes for reproduction, what we call "female" makes a larger commitment (or is known to have a larger investment) than what we call "male". The consequences of this asymmetrical commitment lead to many different strategies for bargaining. Both the plant and animal world offer almost every imaginable combination.

I don't know if the following is a good analogy or not. A hair stylist needs customers and customers need their hair styled. But a hair stylist makes a commitment by learning the craft and opening up a store front. The relationship between the customer and the stylist is different because of this asymmetrical commitment.

[Frankie]

Applause for piercj2! Your on the money, and have a air tight grasp on the issue. I haven't read the entire thread, but I understand what piercj2 is saying, and it's completely true.

The basis for the mindset of humanity is pleasure. To be comfortable in all aspects is our innate goal in life. And what's the ultimate pleasure? Most people would argue that it's sex. So everything we do and strive towards, for the most part is pleasure for ourselves, our mates and our children to find good mates and ultimitally provide them pleasure as well from thier mates.

As a society we are failing at that. And so, results in a depressed, unhappy society overall and the downfall of moral standards. People use the word equality as an excuse for a man to act feminine, or woman to act masculine. But just because we should be equal in our opportunities doesn't mean we should be equal literally. As a straight man, I wouldn't be attracted to a woman who were like men in every aspect. It's natural for a man to want a feminine woman, and that means more than just to know that she has a uterus under her physical shell.

And I think there are just some things that men and woman don't and shouldn't have equal opportunities to in order to preserve their gender qualities and characteristics. Open your mind, because there is nothing wrong with being different, which is what we are told and bombarded with everyday in our modern society. And instead of striving to be like one another to be accepted in a place we don't belong, men be men, and woman be woman! It's time we start practicing and embracing our diversities.

[Ladyjen]

And I think there are just some things that men and woman don't and shouldn't have equal opportunities to in order to preserve their gender qualities and characteristics.

Frankie - could you elaborate on this statement please? I can't think of one thing that both sexes shouldn't be afforded equal opportunities to that would assist in preserving their gender qualities and characteristics - except of course, the bathroom when it needs cleaning.

[Who's Doing What?]

Look how many times women have fought for the rights to join boys only clubs, play on the same sports teams etc, running around screaming sexism and inequality. Yet when a woman opens up a womens only gym it is looked upon as a good thing. Such hypocracy is doomed to fail.

[Frankie]

And I think there are just some things that men and woman don't and shouldn't have equal opportunities to in order to preserve their gender qualities and characteristics.

Frankie - could you elaborate on this statement please? I can't think of one thing that both sexes shouldn't be afforded equal opportunities to that would assist in preserving their gender qualities and characteristics - except of course, the bathroom when it needs cleaning.

Well I guess you just answered one right there. There are some people who seem to think that there should be a transgender washrooms, or uni-sex washrooms. Or uni-sex change rooms for sport teams. And certain places that are gender specific, shouldn't be equalized, like a man working as a salesman at a womans lingerie store. I know most woman wouldn't feel comfortable with that. Also gender transformations, like when a woman desires to be a man biologically, or vice versa...

'Who's Doing What?' makes an excellent piont as well.

[Drea]

Because, historically, business has been conducted on the golf course, at the squash court or other domains that have been "exclusively" male.

Do you know what the word golf means? Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden.

Now why on earth would women be excluded from this game? Because back in the day, men didn’t want us to "worry our pretty little heads" about business or politics.

Today, gentlemen, not only are we women welcome on the golf course, we are in the boardrooms (and not as secretaries) -- more and more of us are becoming CEOs and the like.

No longer are we content to be in the background, behind the scenes. Women want and deserve all the power, drive and success that in the past have exclusively been the domain of men; if that means meeting the men on the golf course or in the sauna to discuss business, so be it.

[Ladyjen]

I take it back - I can think of some things where exclusitivity for the sexes should exist. I don't believe in women invading men's clubs or sports dressing rooms, even if they are reporters. But if a man knows his stuff in a women's lingerie store, I have no problem with that one. If he's comfortable so am I. There are inate differences in the sexes and some things need to be recognized and respected. To me it's a matter of common sense and somehow we have lost that. In order to change things, it seems that we need to go to the extreme to get the point accross. Over time the pendulum swings to somewhere in the middle. As long as there is resistance, there will be extremes.

[blueblood]

Because, historically, business has been conducted on the golf course, at the squash court or other domains that have been "exclusively" male.

Do you know what the word golf means? Gentlemen Only Ladies Forbidden.

Now why on earth would women be excluded from this game? Because back in the day, men didn’t want us to "worry our pretty little heads" about business or politics.

Today, gentlemen, not only are we women welcome on the golf course, we are in the boardrooms (and not as secretaries) -- more and more of us are becoming CEOs and the like.

No longer are we content to be in the background, behind the scenes. Women want and deserve all the power, drive and success that in the past have exclusively been the domain of men; if that means meeting the men on the golf course or in the sauna to discuss business, so be it.

so for female officers getting a less demanding PARE time in depot and other less demanding physical requirements throughout the RCMP, what are your comments on that? Should she get the same salary as her male counterparts?

Now I agree with you on that women deserve what they want, I also say that they should be willing to work as hard for that like their male counterparts, I'm all for true equality.

So if a guy wants to go to a female only workout place because it has better equipment and is cleaner, should he be turned away because his neanderthal brain is not able to cope with all those ladies in gym clothes?

[Drea]

so for female officers getting a less demanding PARE time in depot and other less demanding physical requirements throughout the RCMP, what are your comments on that? Should she get the same salary as her male counterparts?

Physical work does not necessarily merit higher pay. There may be other areas where the smaller officer has more to offer; ie brainwork, public appearances, training, etc.

Now I agree with you on that women deserve what they want, I also say that they should be willing to work as hard for that like their male counterparts, I'm all for true equality.

As for smaller females doing the work of men... of course a smaller frame (whether it be male or female -- Think Niles on Fraiser) will not be able to lift the same amounts. I wouldn't be able to do it. Most of the women I know that have ever gone into a male dominated profession that required brute strength are generally not petite women.

You wouldn't want a guy like Niles working on your crew either. But that doesn't make him not worthy of equality.

So if a guy wants to go to a female only workout place because it has better equipment and is cleaner, should he be turned away because his neanderthal brain is not able to cope with all those ladies in gym clothes?

Because women don't want men looking at them when they are all sweating and grunting during a workout. Just like a group of middle aged men would be somewhat uncomfortable if they had to show their fat bellies to a group of babes.

There are men's gyms. Sure the odd women will go to Gold's, for instance, but the majority are men.

Women's gym equipment (for us regular gals who go to places like Curves) are not built for men. You wouldn't enjoy the workout anyway.

[bradco]

"Because women don't want men looking at them when they are all sweating and grunting during a workout. Just like a group of middle aged men would be somewhat uncomfortable if they had to show their fat bellies to a group of babes. There are men's gyms. Sure the odd women will go to Gold's, for instance, but the majority are men. Women's gym equipment (for us regular gals who go to places like Curves) are not built for men. You wouldn't enjoy the workout anyway."

The issue is equality. A man is legally barred from womans gyms but women are allowed in mens gyms if they please. I have no problem with one sex only gyms....but it has to go both ways. You argue why would men want to go into women gyms? Why were women getting outraged at male only clubs at golf courses. Why would a woman want to go into those places anyways, right? For me I just dont like the hyprocritical stances taking by a lot of the "feminist" groups etc.

[Who's Doing What?]

The issue is equality

Exactly!!!!!!

[blueblood]

There may be other areas where the smaller officer has more to offer; ie brainwork, public appearances, training, etc. As for smaller females doing the work of men... of course a smaller frame (whether it be male or female -- Think Niles on Fraiser) will not be able to lift the same amounts. I wouldn't be able to do it. Most of the women I know that have ever gone into a male dominated profession that required brute strength are generally not petite women.

You wouldn't want a guy like Niles working on your crew either. But that doesn't make him not worthy of equality.

I come from a family where our profession is either ag or RCMP, I also know smaller guys that are of way smaller than me that went through the same training as a guy the size of a linebacker, surely a woman can go through the same standards as a guy. If I was ever in a situation where I needed an officer to save my life, I would hope that it was a fully qualified officer, that means male physical requirements. The fact where there are two standards in a profession where someones life is on the line is ridiculous. If you can't meet the physical requirements of a male officer, you should not be a police officer. Mind you, if a female police officer meets the same physical requirements as her male counterpart, she gets my respect.

I also have a female cousin, she does the exact same work I do out in the field and if she messes up she gets in supreme shit like everyone else who does.

If I had a guy like Niles on my crew and he took his job seriously he wouldn't be like Niles in a couple months I can assure you of that, and if he still is, he is a no good lazy loafer and no he would not be worthy of my respect.

Because women don't want men looking at them when they are all sweating and grunting during a workout. Just like a group of middle aged men would be somewhat uncomfortable if they had to show their fat bellies to a group of babes.

There are men's gyms. Sure the odd women will go to Gold's, for instance, but the majority are men.

Women's gym equipment (for us regular gals who go to places like Curves) are not built for men. You wouldn't enjoy the workout anyway.

I was using a gym as an example, wrestling calves is workout enough, if I wanna hit the iron i'll buy a bowflex. You also proved my point, you said it was alright for women to turn away a guy for wanting to hit up a female only workout place, but at the same time you said women will go to a place like Gold's in your example where its mostly guys there, what the hell is this Russia???. If Gold's started turning away women for the same reason you stated why men cant go to women's gyms I can assume you'd be screaming discrimination. I personally wouldn't want some woman watching me workout, I'd feel uncomfortable for the same reasons.

This is like arguing with natives over treaty rights...

[Drea]

I come from a family where our profession is either ag or RCMP, I also know smaller guys that are of way smaller than me that went through the same training as a guy the size of a linebacker, surely a woman can go through the same standards as a guy. If I was ever in a situation where I needed an officer to save my life, I would hope that it was a fully qualified officer, that means male physical requirements. The fact where there are two standards in a profession where someones life is on the line is ridiculous. If you can't meet the physical requirements of a male officer, you should not be a police officer. Mind you, if a female police officer meets the same physical requirements as her male counterpart, she gets my respect.

Once again -- the ability to do physical labour does not warrant a high paycheque. I make more than the guy digging ditches. Why? Because, although I don't do physical work, I use my brain all day.

I also have a female cousin, she does the exact same work I do out in the field and if she messes up she gets in supreme shit like everyone else who does.

No kidding. I grew up on a ranch. My two brothers did the haying, etc. What did I do? Feed the horses, drive the tractor etc. I never built a stook in my life -- the hay bales were too heavy. But guess what? My stepfather paid me the same wages as the boys -- I drove the tractor while they were on the back stacking the hay. Equal pay for equal work IMO. We all got the hay in -- just because I didn't lift a bale doesn't mean my job (driving the tractor) was worth less.

I was using a gym as an example, wrestling calves is workout enough, if I wanna hit the iron i'll buy a bowflex. You also proved my point, you said it was alright for women to turn away a guy for wanting to hit up a female only workout place, but at the same time you said women will go to a place like Gold's in your example where its mostly guys there, what the hell is this Russia???.

If Gold's started turning away women for the same reason you stated why men cant go to women's gyms I can assume you'd be screaming discrimination. I personally wouldn't want some woman watching me workout, I'd feel uncomfortable for the same reasons.

Golds is a meat market. Men go to see hot women, women go to see hot men. Not my kinda place at my age and maritial status

Why did you bring up a gym then, if that's not what you meant?

Ok I'll invite you down to Curves... come and try out the equipment -- but be ready with your chequebook, cause surely a big man like you would break the machines.

This is like arguing with natives over treaty rights...

How condescending of you.

[Who's Doing What?]

This is like arguing with natives over treaty rights...

How condescending of you.

But quite accurate from what I can see. You feel women are entitled to have a discriminatory policy that women would be freaking out about, if men tried the same thing.

[blueblood]

Once again -- the ability to do physical labour does not warrant a high paycheque. I make more than the guy digging ditches. Why? Because, although I don't do physical work, I use my brain all day.

That of course depends on the job your doing, male and female teachers should be paid equal as should male and female pharmacists, doctors. Not a male and female police officers pay due to the double standard in the physical area. Sorry but a large part of an officers job is physical and if someone can't meet the high standard take a pay cut or don't be one, it's that simple. If there was a single standard then of course they should get equal pay.

No kidding. I grew up on a ranch. My two brothers did the haying, etc. What did I do? Feed the horses, drive the tractor etc. I never built a stook in my life -- the hay bales were too heavy. But guess what? My stepfather paid me the same wages as the boys -- I drove the tractor while they were on the back stacking the hay. Equal pay for equal work IMO. We all got the hay in -- just because I didn't lift a bale doesn't mean my job (driving the tractor) was worth less.

I'd say grow stronger, I know some farm girls without the luxury of having brothers around and they have to stook, at first it's hard (as it is for everyone else) but then they get stronger and better skilled at it. If I just drove the tractor while others stooked all day you can bet your ass I'd get in supreme shit for loafing.

But quite accurate from what I can see. You feel women are entitled to have a discriminatory policy that women would be freaking out about, if men tried the same thing.

Quite right, that is what we're trying to explain here

[Ladyjen]

A woman cop doesn't need strength, she's the one with the gun.

[blueblood]

A woman cop doesn't need strength, she's the one with the gun.

riiiiggghhhtttt, just how do they toss people in a patrol car, ask them. Also is she to walk around with her gun drawn all the time

[Drea]

That of course depends on the job your doing, male and female teachers should be paid equal as should male and female pharmacists, doctors. Not a male and female police officers pay due to the double standard in the physical area. Sorry but a large part of an officers job is physical and if someone can't meet the high standard take a pay cut or don't be one, it's that simple. If there was a single standard then of course they should get equal pay.

Brute strength is not worth more than brain power -- regardless of job. Why do you think we pay for educations? Increasing brainpower increases the paycheque.

I'd say grow stronger, I know some farm girls without the luxury of having brothers around and they have to stook, at first it's hard (as it is for everyone else) but then they get stronger and better skilled at it. If I just drove the tractor while others stooked all day you can bet your ass I'd get in supreme shit for loafing.

If you've ever driven a silage truck along side a tractor, then you'd know that it takes alot more brain power (and coordination) than throwing bales or pitching forks of silage.

And how strong should I be? I am 5'2" and weigh 100 lbs. How can I "grow" myself into a 6'2" hay-bale-chuckin' strongman?

Face it -- you think women are weak because you base everything on brute strength. FYI, police work is more than brute strenght. Or do cops just manhandle everyone? "You were speeding, I shall throw you to the ground and cuff you!"