Public Health Agency report calls for toppling capitalism and ending liberty

[I am Groot]

Your money at work, people. You wonder at the disdain so many conservatives feel for academics and the ivory tower leftist university grads who infest public agencies and public sector boards and bureaus? Look no further than the half-witted mouth breathers who put this report together. The Public Health Agency, lest we forget, is the agency which allowed stockpiles of PPE gear to expire, threw them away and never replaced them, which replaced scientists with bureaucrats, and which foresaw nothing involving the covid mess.

A new Health Canada report suggests public health officials should be openly advocating for the toppling of capitalism, Western society and even the very concept of “liberty and individualism”

“Fundamental changes in our socioeconomic structures are needed to rebuild our relationships with each other and with our planet,” reads the conclusion of the April 17 report prepared for chief public health officer Dr. Theresa Tam.

The paper — written by three authors who “identify as white settlers” — also recommended that Canadian public health actions should focus on “decolonization, justice and equity” above all. The 72-page report, What We Heard: Perspectives on Climate Change and Public Health in Canada, was commissioned to detail the “impacts of climate change on the health and well-being of people living in Canada.” The authors surveyed 30 academics and public health experts for their input.

“Collectively, we have a deep appreciation for Indigenous Peoples’ close and continuing relationship to the land and waters that we live upon and we are committed to a lifelong learning journey toward becoming good guests here,” reads an opening statement.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/public-health-agency-of-canada-report-calls-for-toppling-of-capitalism-liberty

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

 You wonder at the disdain so many conservatives feel for academics and the ivory tower leftist university grads who infest public agencies and public sector boards and bureaus? Look no further than the half-witted mouth breathers who put this report together.  

If conservatives feel that these things are not a factor, are we sure who's in the ivory tower?

They're ideas, you should refute them on their own lack of merit.  I don't recall seeing such recommendations before so perhaps something has changed.

They're not calling for the system to be toppled, from the article but for change.

 

Given the visibility of this, I would recommend people take it seriously.

 

[blackbird]

Believe it or not, one of the purposes of the Jesuit order was to reverse the Reformation and return all nations to the absolute authority of Rome or the Papacy.  I know Catholics will find this hard to believe.  Much of our liberal government are Papists and is it a strange coincidence that they oppose individual freedom?  It should be of no surprise.  Trudeau received his secondary education in a Jesuit founded college in Quebec.  Jesuit ideology is part of liberal ideology.  That should be understood.  That means they would inherently be opposed to Capitalism and individual freedom.  Those things came as a result of the Reformation which threw off the chains of Rome on much of Europe.  The formation of the Jesuits was a central part of the counter-Reformation.  The idea is to bring the west back under the complete dominion of Rome.  That can be helped by establishing authoritarianism and eliminating individual freedom. 

[myata]

And why not? The (public) money well is bottemless! And yes, we can!

[myata]

9 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

They're ideas,

Bloody f@ck Michael have reverence the Heavens have ears. Is public on the hook to pay obscene dough just for any outrageous "ideas"? Or just selected, chosen ones by who, why, how? Because we can, yes?

Edited April 20, 2023 by myata

[myata]

52 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

Talk about an ambitious public health campaign. 

So funny my tax dollars at work (instead of working hospitals and competent doctors) ah-ha-ha!

[Michael Hardner]

42 minutes ago, myata said:

Bloody f@ck Michael have reverence the Heavens have ears. Is public on the hook to pay obscene dough just for any outrageous "ideas"? Or just selected, chosen ones by who, why, how? Because we can, yes?

They might be, if they're good ideas.  Don't you want to talk about ideas or are we done with that ?  The End of History ?

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said:

If conservatives feel that these things are not a factor, are we sure who's in the ivory tower?

They're ideas, you should refute them on their own lack of merit.  I don't recall seeing such recommendations before so perhaps something has changed.

They're not calling for the system to be toppled, from the article but for change.

Given the visibility of this, I would recommend people take it seriously.

This is the view of the urban elites who graduated from liberal arts courses at woke universities. It's not based on fact but on ideology. Or did you miss where they say we need to learn to be 'good guests' here? As if this isn't really our country. Do you think the extremist ideology behind that doesn't inform every single thing they say about climate change and healthcare? 

As for climate change, Capitalism has lifted billions out of extreme poverty. And it is only the wealth it creates which would allow us to put in place measures to deal with the inevitable consequences of global warming. That they don't seem to understand this points to the fundamental ignorance people are graduating with. Again, ideology over fact, zealotry over common sense. 

And what has changed is that people like this who would have once been laughingly dismissed are taken seriously by Trudeau and his ilk, and appointed to boards, bureaus and agencies. 

[I am Groot]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Believe it or not, one of the purposes of the Jesuit order was to reverse the Reformation and return all nations to the absolute authority of Rome or the Papacy.  I know Catholics will find this hard to believe.  Much of our liberal gov

Is there not a single topic on this site you won't creep into to spew your lunatic anti-Catholic drivel?

[Michael Hardner]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

1. This is the view of the urban elites who graduated from liberal arts courses at woke universities.

2.It's not based on fact but on ideology. Or did you miss where they say we need to learn to be 'good guests' here? 

3. As for climate change, Capitalism has lifted billions out of extreme poverty. And it is only the wealth it creates which would allow us to put in place measures to deal with the inevitable consequences of global warming.

4. That they don't seem to understand this points to the fundamental ignorance people are graduating with.

5. Again, ideology over fact, zealotry over common sense. 

 

1. This is a critique of a personality type.  Not a great start.

2. I didn't see that, but I assume it refers to our ecological presence on the planet.

3. Very true.

4. Again, this e a criticism of people not ideas.

5. What common sense opposes such ideas that fairness and environmental goals should be central to capitalism?

 

[eyeball]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

As for climate change, Capitalism has lifted billions out of extreme poverty. And it is only the wealth it creates which would allow us to put in place measures to deal with the inevitable consequences of global warming. That they don't seem to understand this points to the fundamental ignorance people are graduating with. Again, ideology over fact, zealotry over common sense. 

Facts and common sense haven't done much if anything to convince conservatives of any need to change either so it is kind of hard to believe this will.

Best we hurtle off the cliff sooner rather than later so there's a chance there's still something left to rebuild with.  It would be nice to hurtle while the olde farts driving us still have enough wits to appreciate why their passengers are screaming.  

[eyeball]

10 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Is there not a single topic on this site you won't creep into to spew your lunatic anti-Catholic drivel?

Hey, you can probably thank centuries of believing drivel for conditioning so many humans to believe we can grow in numbers and use up the planet forever. And after that, God even has another planet waiting for us!

Conservatism and religion go together like peas and carrots, always have and still do. 

[I am Groot]

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. This is a critique of a personality type.  Not a great start.

No. It's pointing out that when you are as caught up in an ideology as these people are reality can be readily brushed aside. There is certainly nothing of reality in this nonsensical report.

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

2. I didn't see that, but I assume it refers to our ecological presence on the planet.

No. It means guests of the natives, who are praised for their ties to the land.

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

3. Very true.

4. Again, this e a criticism of people not ideas.

It's a criticism of a university system that is not properly educating people. I pointed out at the top how this is an example of why so many conservatives are showing disdain for academia. It's because academia is in the throws of an ideological storm that ignores truth and fact in favor of nonsense like this.

8 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

5. What common sense opposes such ideas that fairness and environmental goals should be central to capitalism?

First of all, the report doesn't say that. It says Capitalism needs to be toppled. Second, this is a report on health. What's fairness and environmental goals and racism got to do with that? The authors never say. They simply assert that these are the big problems with public health. Which is lunacy. 

[I am Groot]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Facts and common sense haven't done much if anything to convince conservatives of any need to change either so it is kind of hard to believe this will.

Oh, and what kind of change would you like Comrade eyeball? Want to close down all the oil wells and live in our mud huts? Or perhaps just increase the punishment penalty for daring to heat our homes so that we drive the rest of our industries out of the country? I'm sure China and India will welcome them and continue to build more coal plants to provide them with cheap energy.

[blackbird]

22 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Is there not a single topic on this site you won't creep into to spew your lunatic anti-Catholic drivel?

You betcha.  Papists control the political system in this country and Romanism is a big part of it. 

Did you know WE Charity has some kind of connection with the Jesuit order?  You've heard of WE Charity.  Everyone has by now.  But how much do you know about them?  The founders went to the same Jesuit-founded  college as the Trudeaus went.

'Craig and Marc Kielburger attended Brebeuf College School, a publicly- funded Roman Catholic all-boys high school in Toronto. Founded by the Jesuits in 1963, it is part of the Toronto Catholic District School Board and has been associated with the Jesuit’s Presentation Brothers since 1984 (42). This happens to be the same school that Pierre and Justin Trudeau attended (43). This is even the school where Justin wore his infamous blackface (44)."

Trudeau’s WE Charity Linked to Jesuits and Child Labour – Civilian Intelligence Network

Beware of Michael.  He is secret Romanist supporter.  But maybe you are too?  Did you consider any of my arguments against Romanism or just blindly dismiss it all?

[blackbird]

33 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Is there not a single topic on this site you won't creep into to spew your lunatic anti-Catholic drivel?

That's weird because Romanism is anti-Christian and anti-Biblical.  If you studied the Bible at all you would learn these things and would not be in chains tied to an anti-Christian system trying to shirk someone off who is warning about it.  I have decades of experience and accumulated knowledge on it.  I not only understand what the Bible says and how it exposes the false system of the anti-Christ, but I have a fair idea of what happened in history under the Papal system.  You can't fool me.   Sadly we still have people in complete darkness who seem to have closed minds.  I have given reams of information but it must have passed over you.

[blackbird]

26 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Hey, you can probably thank centuries of believing drivel for conditioning so many humans

After many centuries of the darkness or Rome, there are people who still don't understand it is an anti-Christian system.  Anyone who knows a little history of Europe should know the Reformation was the point where people realized they were not going to be enslaved by the false religious system any longer.  That is the point where realized individual freedom was worth fighting for.  They rejected the slavery of Popery and understood every person has a God-given right to worship God in his own way with being a slave and paying their money to Rome.  

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

. It seems like you are fabricating any posting to fit your boogeyman of Romanism. It is not relevant here, my friend.

We know what kind of anti-Christian, anti-Bible person you are.  I happen to believe Popery has a lot to do with everything in Canada and with politics.   Trudeau is a member of Romanism and lots of people in his government too.  That is entirely relevant.  Why do you think we are paying 35 million dollars for the Pope's visit last year?  Simple.  Because we have a Romanist government.

We also know from your comments you only want comments that agree with your narrative.  That's not how it works.

Edited April 20, 2023 by blackbird

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I highly doubt that the people who are advocating for the fall of capitalism have any connection to Romanism

Actually that is another error.   Liberal ideology comes from Romanism which embraces Socialism as well at times in history.  The current Pope is a supporter of Socialism.  He is no fan of capitalism and free enterprise or freedom.

[Michael Hardner]

40 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

1. No. It's pointing out that when you are as caught up in an ideology as these people are reality can be readily brushed aside.

2. There is certainly nothing of reality in this nonsensical report.

3. No. It means guests of the natives, who are praised for their ties to the land.

4. It's a criticism of a university system that is not properly educating people. I pointed out at the top how this is an example of why so many conservatives are showing disdain for academia. It's because academia is in the throws of an ideological storm that ignores truth and fact in favor of nonsense like this.

5. First of all, the report doesn't say that. It says Capitalism needs to be toppled.

6. Second, this is a report on health. What's fairness and environmental goals and racism got to do with that?

7. The authors never say. They simply assert that these are the big problems with public health. Which is lunacy. 

1. It's still a criticism of people, saying that because they bring an ideology they can't be practical.
2. If your accusation is accurate, then you're calling an expression of values unrealistic.  It's kind of like saying "liking cats is incorrect".  Are you critiquing the values or not ?
3. Ok, well so be it.  It's still a question of values it seems to me.
4. So... conservatives have disdain for universities because people with degrees reflect values they disagree with ?   Is that a new thing or ?
5. https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/corporate/publications/chief-public-health-officer-reports-state-public-health-canada/state-public-health-canada-2022/what-we-heard-perspectives-climate-change.html. 
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6. You are good at spotting 'ideology' but just because you don't agree with the ideology, doesn't mean that you are ideology free.  Guiding principles are based on values, and can include things like "fairness" "inclusion" as well as "efficiency" "competitiveness" etc.
7. Well, many conservative people on this board have decried trade deals that sent manufacturing jobs to China.  Was there ideology in those comments ?  Ideology is everywhere my friend...

Edited April 20, 2023 by Michael Hardner

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, Contrarian said:

You think the fall of capitalism will benefit the Catholic Church

The Catholic church or more correctly the Vatican does not believe in individual freedom.  They support any system that helps them increase their power and influence in the world, be it Fascism or Socialism.   That is a historical fact.  Why do you think they signed Concordats with the Nazis, Franco in Spain, and Mussolini in Italy?

[eyeball]

13 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Oh, and what kind of change would you like Comrade eyeball? Want to close down all the oil wells and live in our mud huts? Or perhaps just increase the punishment penalty for daring to heat our homes so that we drive the rest of our industries out of the country? I'm sure China and India will welcome them and continue to build more coal plants to provide them with cheap energy.

No, driving off a cliff works for me.

Don't forget you're taking to someone who burns around a 100 litres of fuel on a slow day at work. Heck, I even chop down trees to heat my home!

Hyperbole works for me as well if it's all we have to work with.

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

I am just stating my opinion that your comment is irrelevant. 

What do you think is behind multiculturalism, mass immigration from the third world into Canada, illegal migrants crossing the border, Liberal's globalism, one-world government agenda that some have, the U.N., anti-capitalism, etc.  Romanism has a lot to do with it behind the scenes.  Romanist thinking.

Funny how evangelical Christians are more supportive of the Republican party in the U.S.   Nancy Pelosi and Joe Biden are both Papists and we know they are more welcoming of the millions of illegal migrants crossing the border illegally.  Pelosi and Biden are more Globalists and believe in the phony climate change alarmism and control of everything.  Both Papists...strange coincidence eh.

Edited April 20, 2023 by blackbird

[Michael Hardner]

"Constantine did 911" ?

[blackbird]

10 minutes ago, Contrarian said:

They are a business, does not matter if they have some Pope there which sends Liberal messages, they are a business machine, in my view. 

Historically they will support whatever they think will best serve them and increase their power, either Fascism or Socialism.  It doesn't matter which one as long it is works for their goals of control.  That's just history.