A message from CSIS agent who leaked information to the media

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Well I’m a Loyalist as long as our monarch supports democratic representation.

I remain a Loyalist to the British Crown so long as I am residing in Canada

as Canadians constantly point out to me, I am free to depart to America at my leisure

but so long as I remain in Canada, I will hold up my end of the bargain, on principle alone

Vive la Canadienne, je me souviens

[Zeitgeist]

9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

would it not be a problem for Canada as well, if this kind of influence incited a revolution against the Crown ?

as there are increasing signs of sedition & mutiny in the ranks, against Parliamentary Supremacy itself

 

As you know, I have one foot out the door of Canada, as I have a property in the US and I hold Canadian and British citizenship.  Only America has the strength to push back against the global elite central planners with their creepy ESG measures to fight “climate change”, Covid, and God knows what other “crisis”.   Unfortunately America is two countries, red and blue. Right now only the red team are willing to assert American sovereignty.  Biden is walking the West towards world war and UN/Chinese rule in lockstep with Trudeau.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

As you know, I have one foot out the door of Canada, as I have a property in the US and I hold Canadian and British citizenship.  Only America has the strength to push back against the global elite central planners with their creepy ESG measures to fight “climate change”, Covid, and God knows what other “crisis”.   Unfortunately America is two countries, red and blue. Right now only the red team are willing to assert American sovereignty.  Biden is walking the West towards world war and UN rule in lockstep with Trudeau.

I defend & uphold the Declaration of Independence as the light of civilization itself

none the less, I was a Canadian soldier, I am a Canadian decorated veteran

thus I took on additional obligations to the British Crown of my own free will

I will not be the one to break my oath

as Americans stand by the oaths that they take of their own free will

furthermore, America & the British Crown are not enemies where I come from

we are stalwart allies

brothers in arms, defending the free world, since the Western Front of the Great War in 1917

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I defend & uphold the Declaration of Independence as the light of civilization itself

none the less, I was a Canadian soldier, I am a Canadian decorated veteran

thus I took on additional obligations to the British Crown of my own free will

I will not be the one to break my oath

as Americans stand by the oaths that they take of their own free will

furthermore, America & the British Crown are not enemies where I come from

we are stalwart allies

brothers in arms, defending the free world, since the Western Front of the Great War in 1917

Let’s just make sure we stay free and sovereign democracies.  

[I am Groot]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

As you know, I have one foot out the door of Canada, as I have a property in the US and I hold Canadian and British citizenship.  Only America has the strength to push back against the global elite central planners with their creepy ESG measures to fight “climate change”, Covid, and God knows what other “crisis”.   Unfortunately America is two countries, red and blue. Right now only the red team are willing to assert American sovereignty.  Biden is walking the West towards world war and UN/Chinese rule in lockstep with Trudeau.

Biden has been tougher on China than Trump ever was. And frankly, both he and his main challenger, Desantis, seem to be very, very, VERY soft on Russia. I also don't think either one would challenge China if they went after Taiwan. I'm not even sure they'd challenge China if they went after Japan. Both seem to be of the belief that the only time to bring the US military into play is if and when an enemy lands in Florida.

A significant number of Republicans seem to very much like Putin and all the misery and slaughter he's wreaked so far. 

Edited March 18, 2023 by I am Groot

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Let’s just make sure we stay free and sovereign democracies.  

we have to save America first

Canada's fate is not in Canada's hands

since if America falls, Canada goes with us

De Oppresso Liber

[I am Groot]

38 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

CSIS seems to be saying that the MP’s, including the PMO, are not a disinterested party in this Chinese interference because they have benefited from it and likely looked the other way.  The price of this Faustian bargain, of course, is that our Liberal leadership are now beholden to the Chinese and inextricably linked to the various tethers of clubs, associations, “police stations”, study groups, news media, etc. that are funded and installed by China.

The bigger problem for Canada is that this kind of influence could take hold, grow, and endure.  

We are bringing in half a million immigrants a year now. None are interviewed about why they want to come here. None are screened for attitudes, including loyalty for their homeland or interest in adapting to and integrating into Canadian society. A significant number make it fairly clear that they have no intention of staying here. They'll get citizenship, make money, have their kids educated, and then use it and their pension to go back 'home' and live nicely, returning here only if they need healthcare. 

That so many Chinese immigrants here are so easily influenced by China and will change their votes based on what China tells them or what they believe a party's attitude towards China is demonstrating their lack of loyalty. But they're not alone in this. All parties are aware that the way to appeal to immigrant groups lies in tailoring policies to benefit their homelands and/or increasing immigration from that homeland. The Liberals refusing to put the Tamil Tigers on a terrorism list because that would cost them votes among Tamil-Canadians, or Trudeau cozying up to Sikh terrorists and separatists or putting more immigration offices in China, the Liberals have been the most enthusiastic about tailoring policies to immigrant groups.

But it's not like Conservatives or the NDP have refused to play that game. Before he was booted from the leadership race Patrick Brown focused entirely on recruiting immigrants to join the party to vote for him by promising them specific policies to benefit their homelands, including removing the Tamil Tigers from our list of terrorist groups and opening an immigration office in Nepal. And Pierre Poilivre, despite what his base might like, has expressed nothing but enthusiasm for ever-increasing immigration numbers. So I expect we'll get similar efforts from them next election.

Canadian politicians, faced with the choice of what is good for Canada vs what is politically expedient for their parties in the short term, invariably choose the latter.

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

A significant number of Republicans seem to very much like Putin and all the misery and slaughter he's wreaked so far. 

the Republican party has always had an America First wing

America Firsters are simply opposed to America intervening in the defense of Europe in this case

America Firsters consider that to be the very Foreign Entanglements they were warned against

by Thomas Jefferson himself

thus America Firsters will only fight in defense of America and no other

[I am Groot]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the Republican party has always had an America First wing

America Firsters are simply opposed to America intervening in the defense of Europe in this case

America Firsters consider that to be the very Foreign Entanglements they were warned against

by Thomas Jefferson himself

thus America Firsters will only fight in defense of America and no other

American Firsters are fools. America's military philosophy has always been "We'd rather fight them over there, with allies than wait and fight them on our own territory, alone." That's why European cities get chewed up but not American cities.

[Zeitgeist]

23 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

Biden has been tougher on China than Trump ever was. And frankly, both he and his main challenger, Desantis, seem to be very, very, VERY soft on Russia. I also don't think either one would challenge China if they went after Taiwan. I'm not even sure they'd challenge China if they went after Japan. Both seem to be of the belief that the only time to bring the US military into play is if and when an enemy lands in Florida.

A significant number of Republicans seem to very much like Putin and all the misery and slaughter he's wreaked so far. 

Trump handled Russia much better than Biden because he respected Russian culture and interests in the Russian sphere of influence.  The mess in Ukraine is basically an unnecessary waste of money and resources that is causing a lot of death and turmoil.  It’s an outdated Cold War proxy war.  What should be happening is that neither Russia nor NATO should be taking any military action in Ukraine and supervised referendums should be taking place in disputed territories.  The UN could play an important peacekeeping role there and both NATO and Russia could save face, instead of both sides claiming victory in an unwinnable war.

As for China, at least Trump tried to take trade measures and repatriate jobs.  Yes both leaders failed on China. Trudeau has cowtowed to China in irredeemable ways and Canada is barely sovereign anymore.  We saw how quickly our Charter is compromised during a “crisis”, and I’m sure more crises are coming.

Florida protected freedom more than any jurisdiction I can think of.  

Edited March 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

.Canadian politicians, faced with the choice of what is good for Canada vs what is politically expedient for their parties in the short term, invariably choose the latter.

but why ?

why do they do that ?

what is their motivation ?

why do Canadian politicians place party before country ?

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, I am Groot said:

American Firsters are fools. America's military philosophy has always been "We'd rather fight them over there, with allies than wait and fight them on our own territory, alone." That's why European cities get chewed up but not American cities.

you're welcome to your opinion of course

but America Firsters outnumber the entire Canadian population and then some

America First is a dominant political paradigm in America

so America Firsters have the power in this relationship

they have power over Joe Biden even

since Joe Biden has been very timid in his defense of Ukraine in the face of them

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

surely Britons & Americans can read the Constitution Act of Canada

wherein it states that all officers of Canada swear fealty to the monarch

wherein it states that a Prime Minister has Parliamentary Supremacy

so the Prime Minister is in fact empowered to keep secrets from the Canadian public in the name of the King

and if CSIS officers take it upon themselves to disclose those secrets in the name of a de facto republic

that is the definition of a mutiny

PM didn't keep secrets in the name of the King, he did it in the name of himself.  And keeping secrets is different than acting on those secrets privately to protect the interests of the King.

Oh and nice job snipping your quote of the oath of allegiance to omit the "King of Canada" part.

[Dougie93]

4 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

Oh and nice job snipping your quote of the oath of allegiance to omit the "King of Canada" part.

the King of England is the King of Canada

see here, how Canadian soldiers of the Royal 22nd Regiment mount guard for their Commander-in-Chief

at Buckingham Palace in London

[I am Groot]

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Trump handled Russia much better than Biden because he respected Russian culture and interests in the Russian sphere of influence.

I would bet every dollar I own that Trump knows nothing whatsoever about Russian culture and cares less. Like a lot of things, Trump was simply disinterested in whatever happened that didn't personally affect him. If Putin wanted to take over Ukraine or Georgia or the Baltics he simply didn't care. He has no golf clubs there anyway. According to his national security advisor Putin was waiting for Trump to take the US out of NATO before acting.

 

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

The mess in Ukraine is basically an unnecessary waste of money and resources that is causing a lot of death and turmoil.  It’s an outdated Cold War proxy war.

Partially correct. Putin is a product of the cold war who has said the biggest tragedy of the 20th century was the breakup of the Soviet Union. He has made it his life's work to rebuild the Soviet Union. He's simply been doing it largely by bribery and threats. He owned the previous Ukrainian president and hoped to use him as he is using the president of Belarus to draw Ukraine back into the fold. When that failed he got angry, spiteful and impatient.

But it is not in anyone's interest to let him rebuild the Soviet Union.

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

As for China, at least Trump tried to take trade measures and repatriate jobs.

Imports from China INCREASED under Trump. Money was the only thing Trump seemed to have any interest in, and did not challenge China's expansionary military and territorial ambitions.

14 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 Trudeau has cowtowed to China in irredeemable ways and Canada is barely sovereign anymore.

Trudeau, like a lot of shallow people, became enamored of China's long history and culture. But the blame is on the voters for putting him in power and keeping him there. I suspect there are a sizeable number of urban Canadians who view the thought of China completely controlling Canada as a colony with considerably less alarm than they do the thought of Pierre Poilevre, or any Conservative being in charge in Ottawa.

 

Edited March 18, 2023 by I am Groot

[Moonlight Graham]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

I think Americans should be concerned as well

but Americans have to look at the big picture

not only that Canada appears to be falling under the undue influence of the Chinese Communists

but that this seems to be inciting political instability in Canada

wherein it appears that the military, police & security services in Canada

may be at the threshold of mutiny against their own government

And whose fault is this?  The Chinese are just doing their jobs.  The PM is not, apparently.

[I am Groot]

11 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

but why ?

why do they do that ?

what is their motivation ?

why do Canadian politicians place party before country ?

Maybe they're too much like American politicians.

Edited March 18, 2023 by I am Groot

[Moonlight Graham]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

the King of England is the King of Canada

see here, how Canadian soldiers of the Royal 22nd Regiment mount guard for their Commander-in-Chief

at Buckingham Palace in London

The King of Canada is also the King of England.  But only one title has any legal authority in Canada.

[Dougie93]

Just now, I am Groot said:

Maybe they're too much like Americans.

like this CSIS officer ?

who is invoking an American republican ethos against the Canadian system of governance ?

sedition, mutiny, revolution in the name of a Canadian republic not yet founded ?

[Zeitgeist]

25 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

We are bringing in half a million immigrants a year now. None are interviewed about why they want to come here. None are screened for attitudes, including loyalty for their homeland or interest in adapting to and integrating into Canadian society. A significant number make it fairly clear that they have no intention of staying here. They'll get citizenship, make money, have their kids educated, and then use it and their pension to go back 'home' and live nicely, returning here only if they need healthcare. 

That so many Chinese immigrants here are so easily influenced by China and will change their votes based on what China tells them or what they believe a party's attitude towards China is demonstrating their lack of loyalty. But they're not alone in this. All parties are aware that the way to appeal to immigrant groups lies in tailoring policies to benefit their homelands and/or increasing immigration from that homeland. The Liberals refusing to put the Tamil Tigers on a terrorism list because that would cost them votes among Tamil-Canadians, or Trudeau cozying up to Sikh terrorists and separatists or putting more immigration offices in China, the Liberals have been the most enthusiastic about tailoring policies to immigrant groups.

But it's not like Conservatives or the NDP have refused to play that game. Before he was booted from the leadership race Patrick Brown focused entirely on recruiting immigrants to join the party to vote for him by promising them specific policies to benefit their homelands, including removing the Tamil Tigers from our list of terrorist groups and opening an immigration office in Nepal. And Pierre Poilivre, despite what his base might like, has expressed nothing but enthusiasm for ever-increasing immigration numbers. So I expect we'll get similar efforts from them next election.

Canadian politicians, faced with the choice of what is good for Canada vs what is politically expedient for their parties in the short term, invariably choose the latter.

I agree with your take on immigration.  The American melting pot is a better approach than the cultural mosaic, which requires little to no assimilation or respect for Canadian culture and values.  Parties basically bring in so many immigrants to buy votes and make us feel like our economy is growing while our per person living standards and quality of life drop. There’s no thought to the insufficiency of infrastructure and the outrageous cost of housing for young families where housing supply can’t keep up with demand. Our recent immigrants will accept tyranny faster than Canadian-born citizens because even a weak democracy is better than what many of these immigrants had in their home countries.   What’s more, our current obsession with EDI means that we will overlook serious oppression of women in places like Iran in order to look like we’re “respecting culture”, even though some cultures are more in line with Canadian cultural values than others. We’ve let our leaders cheapen Canadian citizenship. It’s sad when I hear people say Canada has no culture and it’s good to get the citizenship for the healthcare and to make money but nothing more.  Is that really all we have left? Well even our healthcare is getting lousy.  

Edited March 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

like this CSIS officer ?

who is invoking an American republican ethos against the Canadian system of governance ?

The Republicans of yesterday are not even remotely like the Republicans of today. I cannot find the words to adequately express my contempt for the woke progressives and their constant war on western cultural values and the institutions, traditions, and heritage of our countries.

And even so, I feel disgusted with Republicans. They are avaricious whores with no concern but their own personal enrichment. They are more than willing, even eager to divide their country to exploit those divisions for votes, and to sell their votes to the highest bidder. Hypocrites, liars and phoneys, the lot of them, with a strong sprinkling of Christian Taliban types.

 

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Moonlight Graham said:

The King of Canada is also the King of England.  But only one title has any legal authority in Canada.

for the purposes of national security, there is only one Commander-in-Chief

 

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, I am Groot said:

And even so, I feel disgusted with Republicans.

more power to you

I would assert that Republicans have great respect & admiration for the Canadian Trucker Freedom Convoy

but otherwise hold most Canadians in contempt

as being a bunch of Communist sympathizing pacifist surrender monkeys

[Zeitgeist]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

for the purposes of national security, there is only one Commander-in-Chief

 

 

I wouldn’t mind the conflation of Canada with Britain if I felt that Britain could defend her interests against global influences. Britain can do that better than Canada when she chooses to do so, but America does it better.

Edited March 18, 2023 by Zeitgeist

[I am Groot]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I agree with your take on immigration.  The American melting pot is a better approach than the cultural mosaic, which requires little to no assimilation or respect for Canadian culture and values.  Parties basically bring in so many immigrants to buy votes and make us feel like our economy is growing while our per person living standards drop.

That is exactly why immigration keeps increasing. Along with the belief that immigrants will vote Liberal, of course. That's a big part of Trudeau's enthusiasm for higher immigration. Plus his shallow, globalist nature and complete lack of connection or concern for English Canada's heritage and values.

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Our recent immigrants will accept tyranny faster than Canadian-born citizens because even a weak democracy is better than what many of these immigrants had in their home countries.

Canadians born and raised here, at least prior to the last ten or twenty years, were imbued with the philosophy and beliefs of western cultural values, including a bedrock belief in justice and in democracy and freedom. Newcomers from outside the West, which is the great majority, have no such cultural background, no such reflexive understanding of the need to compromise and respect others' beliefs. Expecting them to have the same respect for what Canadians do is illogical. And as we bring them in so fast they're not having an opportunity to integrate, nor are their kids.

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

What’s more, our current obsession with EDI means that we will overlook serious oppression of women in places like Iran in order to look like we’re “respecting culture”, even though some cultures are more in line with Canadian cultural values than others.

The reason the idea of testing and judging potential immigrants according to their beliefs and how they match up with ours so outraged the Left, including the entire mainstream media, was that it was based on the unspoken presumption that our values were generally better. Or that we had a right to want people whose values were like ours. That would only seem reasonable to an ordinary Canadian, but not to the 'elites' in charge of the media, arts, and academia. They regard any assumption we are better than Afghanistan, never mind India or China as racist and xenophobic.

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

We’ve let our leaders cheapen Canadian citizenship.  It’s sad when I hear people say Canada has no culture and it’s good to get the citizenship for the healthcare and to make money but nothing more.  Is that really all we have left?  Well even our healthcare is getting lousy.  

Our healthcare has been getting lousy for decades. It's no longer getting there. It's there.

And yes, Citizenship is cheap when we process applications with less care and concern than applications for drivers licences, and offer up a 20 minute multiple choice/true or false test to get a passport, then let people check a box online rather than even show up and swear an oath of loyalty.