blackbird Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 This is a form of double taxation. People already paid GST and PST on items when they purchased them new. Now when they sell them on eBay Canada the buyer must pay these taxes again which amounts to 12% or 14% depending on the province the buyer lives in. This is in addition to the outrageous postal rates which can be $20 or $30 for a relatively small item. This must be having a very negative effect on eBay as well as Canadians who buy and sell items on the platform. This is just one example of the negative effect an interventionist government can have on a country like Canada. I am trying to complete the sale of an item which I listed for $25 and it ends up costing the buyer $60. The buyer may refuse to complete. I can only conclude this really hurts a lot of Canadians who could use a few extra dollars from used items they need to sell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 You never heard stories about them wanting GST/PST remittances from yard sales and swap meets decades ago? You're supposed to remit, but they don't push it because it's too hard to enforce. Once you go online, there's an electronic trail and all they need to do is force the websites to collect it for them. Easy pickings, you should have seen it coming. I used to order vape pods online, but now they have to collect PST for BC even though they're not IN BC, GST, tobacco taxes and restrict what flavours people from each province can buy. Can't even smoke menthols anymore. Tack oin top of that there's PST/GST/nicotine tax on quit smoking aids, and those have to be hidden from view too 'to protect children'. We do have many stupid rules, so stupid some are counter-productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 9, 2023 Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, blackbird said: This is a form of double taxation. People already paid GST and PST on items when they purchased them new. Not necessarily. There are a lot of wholesalers who buy in bulk and sell new to customers through places like Ebay, effectively circumventing the sales tax. For used items being sold for less than what you paid, it probably shouldn't apply, but a lot of online selling is just a store or business or wholesaler selling directly to customers. 1 hour ago, blackbird said: This must be having a very negative effect on eBay as well as Canadians who buy and sell items on the platform. Canada has no reason to worry about the well-being of companies like eBay. 1 hour ago, blackbird said: This is just one example of the negative effect an interventionist government can have on a country like Canada. I am trying to complete the sale of an item which I listed for $25 and it ends up costing the buyer $60. Not because of sales tax. If it costs you $25 to ship an item that costs $25, that's hardly the government's fault, and it's ridiculous that you'd even try to argue it is. There are numerous private delivery firms that compete for the shipping/parcel business, so use them if you think Canada Post is grifting you. The HST on a $25 item is what...$3-4? How on Earth are you blaming the government for the other $30+??? ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 9, 2023 16 minutes ago, Moonbox said: The HST on a $25 item is what...$3-4? How on Earth are you blaming the government for the other $30+??? ? That's not correct. eBay sent me an Email which said the shipping would be about $28 and the GST/PST would add six dollars plus. In Ontario the GST plus PST is 14%. Get this. They are charging the 14% tax on the $25 item AND on the shipping charge of $28. That is how they are adding about $6.90 tax onto the deal bringing it up to $59.90. That is ridiculous. I think their figures are inflating the costs. Not sure they should be putting a tax on shipping. Nothing I can do about it. I don't think the buyer will complete the purchase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Contrarian said: Did he pay? Not yet. Waited couple days so far. Will see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herbie Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Yet I hear everyday I hear people claim they bought a new anvil from China online and they shipped it to Dease Lake, overnight absolutely free! I did the amazon prime thing for the free shipping, and only discovered later the TV part came with it. Now it's free or faster shipping on some items... from what I remember as a store owner, I did see GST on shipping sometimes. And if I couldn't get an item from a wholesaler, I had to pay $10.70 instead of $10, mark that up and collect and remit PST on the new price.... they double taxed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, blackbird said: That's not correct. eBay sent me an Email which said the shipping would be about $28 and the GST/PST would add six dollars plus. The shipping is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the government. The HST always applied to shipping. That eBay is getting slapped with HST means your item cost $3-4 more. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 HST on the federal emissions charge is a lot more fun! Got your "goods or service", guess who's coming for their fair cut? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 (edited) No it won't end and there will be no limits, in law or common sense. Why would it? "Because we can". Edited January 10, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 8 hours ago, Moonbox said: The shipping is irrelevant. That has nothing to do with the government. The HST always applied to shipping. That eBay is getting slapped with HST means your item cost $3-4 more. So tell me this. If the buyer pays GST/HST 14% to eBay on the shipping charge when he buys the item and then when I ship it at the local post office, I pay GST/PST 12% on the cost of shipping, isn't that paying GST/PST on the shipping twice? That doesn't make sense. If that happens, I might want some answers from someone. I doubt if anybody could justify double charging taxes on shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, blackbird said: So tell me this. If the buyer pays GST/HST 14% to eBay on the shipping charge when he buys the item and then when I ship it at the local post office, I pay GST/PST 12% on the cost of shipping, isn't that paying GST/PST on the shipping twice? That doesn't make sense. That doesn't make sense. I suspect you're goofing something up and not reading it right. . If you're selling on eBay and shipping it yourself (rather than using one of the tied-in services that eBay offers), then eBay couldn't/shouldn't charge HST. What would they charge it on? They have no idea what the final cost is when you go to Canada Post. If you're shipping from Canada, whoever ships it will charge you HST, and aside from international duties that should be the end of it. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 Why is there an HST on the emissions charge? What "harmonized service" has been provided, to who? OhMG this is brilliant! No, stay with me: what if we begin chargin HST on the income tax, for the great service you know (still no consistent and functional online tax return option, G7, Canada, closing on the second quarter of the 21st century)? Why, wouldn't it fix all our problems, health care, the army with RCMP on top, clean water? And maybe a few crumbs to bump up MP rewards, still could be improved. No think about it, yes we can and who said we couldn't? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 2 hours ago, Moonbox said: That doesn't make sense. I suspect you're goofing something up and not reading it right. . If you're selling on eBay and shipping it yourself (rather than using one of the tied-in services that eBay offers), then eBay couldn't/shouldn't charge HST. What would they charge it on? They have no idea what the final cost is when you go to Canada Post. If you're shipping from Canada, whoever ships it will charge you HST, and aside from international duties that should be the end of it. It looks like eBay made a mistake. They sent me an email with the list of charges and it listed GST/HST of six dollars and something. They were obviously charging tax on the shipping charge of about $28.. But you're right. HST should only be on the item. I pay the tax on shipping at the post office. Doesn't matter now. Looks like buyer is not buying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 The government charges GST or PST tax on carbon taxes. Another scam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 29 minutes ago, blackbird said: Looks like buyer is not buying it. Like I said, trying to buy something for $25 that ships for more than $25 is usually silly. Unless you're collecting something rare/specific, you can probably go on Kijiji locally and buy the same thing for $40, but no shipping (or better). 29 minutes ago, blackbird said: The government charges GST or PST tax on carbon taxes. Another scam. That doesn't really make any sense. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackbird Posted January 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Moonbox said: That doesn't really make any sense. "In April 2016, the Canada Revenue Agency said provincial carbon taxes would be subject to GST" GST on carbon taxes in Alberta, B.C. worth millions in federal revenue | CBC News I don't know if it still exists. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moonbox Posted January 10, 2023 Report Share Posted January 10, 2023 I don’t know anything about that, but it seems dumb. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he does for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myata Posted January 11, 2023 Report Share Posted January 11, 2023 (edited) double post Edited January 11, 2023 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James MacDermid Posted January 12, 2023 Report Share Posted January 12, 2023 It is dumb but it is true; double tax. The why is because, imagine, I sell a Rolex for $5 and enter $12,000 shipping and handling. Haha I found a loophole! EBay only gets their cut on $5 and ditto for government. This is how they justified shipping being taxed and feed. (Full disclosure; i always used to have exaggerated shipping and lower price - same in the end right? Pathologically too - guy B charges 2$ more for shipping but product is 1.75 cheaper. He might seem a better but subconsciously. Only my two cent (0.02x113%) 2.26 cents worth (rounded down to nearest nickel) just my 0$ cents worth….. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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