Rebound Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) Critical Race Theory is a complex legal concept taught in graduate-level law programs. It’s usually above the JD level, and taught in some PhD of Law programs. CRT cannot and is not taught in grade school or high school. A short forum post cannot encompass it. But here is a taste of it. 1857: Dred Scott v Sanford established that black people were not “people” under the U.S. Constitution. 1865: The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. That should have been the end of Dredd Scott, and black people should have become fully equal under the law. 1866: The 14th Amendment established that all persons born or naturalized in the US were citizens and guaranteed equal protection under the law. Despite this, black people remained unable to vote in most Southern jurisdictions, and they were defined equality in most other respects. 1870: The 15th Amendment guaranteed the right to vote to black people. It should not have been necessary; if you read the 14th amendment it should be clear that all people should have equal protection under the law. 1896: Plessy v Ferguson established that “separate but equal” was Constitutional and it made nearly 100 years of brutal segregation legal throughout the South. And segregation was separate but it was never equal. 1965: The Voting Rights Act was passed to ensure that the 15th Amendment was applied. For the first time, black people throughout the South voted in numbers. These are only the most clear examples of how hard-fought laws were passed and subsequently ignored. A more thorough study shows how discriminatory practices in real estate sales, banking, employment and education discriminated against black people nationwide, North and South. So what is the purpose of CRT? The purpose is to educate legal scholars and future lawmakers in methods to analyze laws and policies to ensure that they are non-discriminatory, and that they close loopholes to prevent attempts at discrimination. CRT does not seek reparations nor to shame anyone. The purpose is to ensure equality, because it posits that when we base laws upon pre-existing precedents and texts, they enable institutionalization of racism. Edited January 8, 2023 by Rebound 1 Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Rebound Posted January 8, 2023 Author Report Posted January 8, 2023 48 minutes ago, Contrarian said: The propaganda from the populistic right is that forces teach CRT to kids. There's even one on this forum that made this claim. Not to worry he will come and say you are wrong and CRT is the new PizzaGate. I don't know specifics about it to make a conclusion. What are the methods? Do you have some examples? Is it some sort of training? How does CRT work? I’m not a legal scholar and I can’t give a full lesson in CRT. But my OP is the 50,000 foot view of institutionalized racism in America. The details exist in over a century of policies, actions, state and local laws, judicial rulings, regulations, etc., which ignored, legalized or instituted de jure or de facto discrimination in America. After studying the history of these laws and policies, the student is better able to write new laws which aren’t based on older precedents or language which legalized or permitted discrimination. People widely think discrimination is over and no longer exists, but it does. We can see most clearly that America still has predominantly white and predominantly black public schools and neighborhoods, for example. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 3 hours ago, Contrarian said: The propaganda from the populistic right is that forces teach CRT to kids. There's even one on this forum that made this claim. Not to worry he will come and say you are wrong and CRT is the new PizzaGate. I don't know specifics about it to make a conclusion. What are the methods? Do you have some examples? Is it some sort of training? How does CRT work? The thing is, CRT is about institutionalization of racist LEGAL practices and policies. The idea that LEGAL practices are being taught to kids (or that they will understand them) is just ridiculous. That racism may be being taught about to kids DOES NOT make it about CRT. Quote
Rebound Posted January 8, 2023 Author Report Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 42 minutes ago, West said: Lol.. lefty lies yet again. Here’s more liberal news for you: The sky is blue. Edited January 8, 2023 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
robosmith Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 51 minutes ago, West said: Lol.. lefty lies yet again. NOT EVEN a REASON to believe ^this OPINION, let alone EVIDENCE. LMAO Quote
West Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, robosmith said: NOT EVEN a REASON to believe ^this OPINION, let alone EVIDENCE. LMAO Graduate level studies? We've all had to endure left wing grievance politics in our school curriculum since elementary school.. Nice try Quote
robosmith Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, West said: Graduate level studies? We've all had to endure left wing grievance politics in our school curriculum since elementary school.. Nice try Well, at least you ATTMEPTED a reason for your LIE. Were you EVER actually taught about LEGAL PRACTICES in grade school? I know I WAS NOT. Quote
West Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 1 minute ago, robosmith said: Well, at least you ATTMEPTED a reason for your LIE. Were you EVER actually taught about LEGAL PRACTICES in grade school? I know I WAS NOT. A quick Google search would show that Critical Race Theory isn't just a legal theory but taught across multiple discipline.. Of course you wouldn't know that unless you are just parroting msnbc.. But you are a liar so won't expect more from you Quote
herbie Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 1 hour ago, West said: We've all had to endure left wing grievance politics in our school curriculum since elementary school.. No, you must've gone to a different school than the rest of the real world. Quote
West Posted January 8, 2023 Report Posted January 8, 2023 19 minutes ago, herbie said: No, you must've gone to a different school than the rest of the real world. Nonsense.. Thats all they talk about now is "microagressions", "white privilege" etc etc.. Divisive bs from the left wing. And revisionist history as they are the party of Jim Crowe and Slavery Quote
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Contrarian said: Time to get the Artificial Intelligence involved. I asked Chat GPT, the new AI bot that scares the conspiracy theorists out there. ---> The questions that I posed were: 1. What does a CRT course entail? This is what the machine answered back: A course on critical race theory (CRT) might cover a wide range of topics, including the history of race and racism in the United States and other countries, the ways in which race intersects with other forms of oppression, such as class, gender, and sexuality, and the role of law, policy, and social institutions in perpetuating or challenging systems of oppression. Possible course topics could include: The origins and evolution of CRT Key concepts and frameworks in CRT, such as intersectionality and storytelling The relationship between race and the criminal justice system The role of race in education, employment, and other areas of social life Case studies and examples of how CRT has been applied in different contexts Strategies for resistance and social change A CRT course might take a variety of formats, including lectures, discussions, and group activities, and might include readings from a range of sources, including academic articles, books, and legal cases. The specific content and structure of a CRT course will depend on the instructor and the specific goals and objectives of the course. 2. Why is there controversy with CRT? This is what the machine answered back: Critical race theory (CRT) has faced controversy in recent years, particularly in the United States. Some of the reasons for this controversy include: Misconceptions about what CRT is and what it involves: CRT has often been misrepresented or misunderstood by those who criticize it, which has contributed to controversy and backlash. Political polarization: CRT has become a divisive and politicized issue, with some seeing it as promoting a radical left-wing agenda and others viewing it as a valuable tool for understanding and addressing racism and other forms of oppression. Concerns about reverse racism: Some people have expressed concerns that CRT promotes reverse racism or discrimination against White people. However, CRT does not advocate for discriminating against or mistreating people of any race, and instead focuses on examining and challenging systems of oppression. Concerns about censorship: Some people have expressed concerns that CRT could be used to censor or suppress certain viewpoints or ideas, or to punish individuals for expressing controversial or unpopular opinions. Concerns about its impact on education: There have been debates about the extent to which CRT should be taught in educational settings, with some arguing that it is inappropriate or unnecessary, and others seeing it as an important part of a well-rounded education. It is important to recognize that CRT is a complex and multifaceted field of study, and that the controversy surrounding it often reflects broader debates and divisions in society. ---> Any issues? send an e-mail to the Artificial Intelligence. This is the AI's take. I am here to give voice to the AI. = ) Lol.. Lefties should defend their nonsense instead of just calling any criticisms of their BS "conspiracy theories". Quote
herbie Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 Like accusations that you can't point out even a single incidence of? Quote
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 https://nypost.com/2021/09/27/left-leaning-medias-latest-lies-about-critical-race-theory/ Imagine that. Lefties use made up terms in critical race theory to prove their theory exists.. very bizarre circular style logic you'd find in cults Quote
robosmith Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 8 hours ago, West said: A quick Google search would show that Critical Race Theory isn't just a legal theory but taught across multiple discipline.. Of course you wouldn't know that unless you are just parroting msnbc.. But you are a liar so won't expect more from you I don't "KNOW" anything just cause YOU CLAIM IT. As usual you can't even post a link, so AGAIN, NO CREDIBILITY. So I googled "CRT definition" and found the Britannica entry: Quote critical race theory (CRT), intellectual and social movement and loosely organized framework of legal analysis based on the premise that race is not a natural, biologically grounded feature of physically distinct subgroups of human beings but a socially constructed (culturally invented) category that is used to oppress and exploit people of colour. Critical race theorists hold that racism is inherent in the law and legal institutions of the United States insofar as they function to create and maintain social, economic, and political inequalities between whites and nonwhites, especially African Americans. You're WRONG, AGAIN. Quote
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, robosmith said: I don't "KNOW" anything just cause YOU CLAIM IT. As usual you can't even post a link, so AGAIN, NO CREDIBILITY. So I googled "CRT definition" and found the Britannica entry: You're WRONG, AGAIN. So an integral, social AND legal framework.. Race is a SOCIAL construct.. Thank you for proving my point.. it's not "just" a "graduate level" program at universities.. It's taught in social studies courses in k-12 and humanities courses in undergrad. Thanks for playing!!! Edited January 9, 2023 by West Quote
Rebound Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, West said: So an integral, social AND legal framework.. Race is a SOCIAL construct.. Thank you for proving my point.. it's not "just" a "graduate level" program at universities.. Thanks for playing!!! Can you show us an elementary or secondary school CRT textbook, and tell us which school district uses it? Going back to the original post in this thread, what is the harm with teaching high school students about the legal history of desegregation and voting rights in the USA? Edited January 9, 2023 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 1 minute ago, Rebound said: Can you show us an elementary or secondary school CRT textbook, and tell us which school district uses it? Going back to the original post in this thread, what is the harm with teaching high school students about the legal history of desegregation and voting rights in the USA? Yes.. everyone who has to sit in these vile courses to graduate is just "making it up".. And it's not just a legal theory bud.. try to keep up. You lied about that Quote
reason10 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 23 hours ago, Rebound said: Critical Race Theory is a complex legal concept taught in graduate-level law programs. It’s usually above the JD level, and taught in some PhD of Law programs. CRT cannot and is not taught in grade school or high school. A short forum post cannot encompass it. But here is a taste of it. 1857: Dred Scott v Sanford established that black people were not “people” under the U.S. Constitution. 1865: The 13th Amendment abolished slavery. That should have been the end of Dredd Scott, and black people should have become fully equal under the law. 1866: The 14th Amendment established that all persons born or naturalized in the US were citizens and guaranteed equal protection under the law. Despite this, black people remained unable to vote in most Southern jurisdictions, and they were defined equality in most other respects. 1870: The 15th Amendment guaranteed the right to vote to black people. It should not have been necessary; if you read the 14th amendment it should be clear that all people should have equal protection under the law. 1896: Plessy v Ferguson established that “separate but equal” was Constitutional and it made nearly 100 years of brutal segregation legal throughout the South. And segregation was separate but it was never equal. 1965: The Voting Rights Act was passed to ensure that the 15th Amendment was applied. For the first time, black people throughout the South voted in numbers. These are only the most clear examples of how hard-fought laws were passed and subsequently ignored. A more thorough study shows how discriminatory practices in real estate sales, banking, employment and education discriminated against black people nationwide, North and South. So what is the purpose of CRT? The purpose is to educate legal scholars and future lawmakers in methods to analyze laws and policies to ensure that they are non-discriminatory, and that they close loopholes to prevent attempts at discrimination. CRT does not seek reparations nor to shame anyone. The purpose is to ensure equality, because it posits that when we base laws upon pre-existing precedents and texts, they enable institutionalization of racism. You have been caught in ANOTHER lie. (Geez! You're so stupid.) https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/proof-critical-race-theory-taught-schools The definitive proof critical race theory is being taught in our schools The left wants to hide the fact that our schools have moved away from teaching basic math, science and reading to promoting critical race theory and the message that America is irredeemably racist https://www.foxnews.com/us/crt-prevalent-american-public-schools-despite-claims-contrary-study-shows A new study shows that elements of critical race theory are prevalent in American schools despite claims that the controversial teaching is only promoted at the college level in law degree programs or doesn't exist at all. The study, conducted by Manhattan Institute policy analyst Zach Goldberg and adjunct fellow Eric Kaufmann, asked 1,505 Americans aged 18 to 20 years old whether they had been taught, or heard from an adult at school, about four core concepts of critical race theory. The majority of respondents, 82.4% of whom attended public school, said they had been taught or heard about those core teachings. The study found that 62% of the respondents, who had yet to graduate or had just recently graduated from high school, have been instructed in class or heard from an adult at school that the United States is a "systemically racist country." More than half of respondents, 57%, said they were taught or heard that White people have "unconscious biases that negatively affect non-white people." https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/ That said, the National Education Association (NEA) appears to have accepted the conservative framing of CRT: namely, that it's not merely confined to academia but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools. And the NEA thinks this is a good thing that should be defended. https://nypost.com/2022/10/23/schools-teach-crt-so-much-for-jim-crow-2-0-and-other-commentary/ Yes, schools teach CRT, so much for Jim Crow 2.0 and other commentary At its yearly annual meeting, conducted virtually over the past few days, the NEA adopted New Business Item 39, which essentially calls for the organization to defend the teaching of critical race theory.* CRT ONLY a Juris Doctorate subject in law schools? I'd say I've proven that Edited January 9, 2023 by reason10 Quote
reason10 Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 21 hours ago, Rebound said: I’m not a legal scholar and I can’t give a full lesson in CRT. But my OP is the 50,000 foot view of institutionalized racism in America. The details exist in over a century of policies, actions, state and local laws, judicial rulings, regulations, etc., which ignored, legalized or instituted de jure or de facto discrimination in America. After studying the history of these laws and policies, the student is better able to write new laws which aren’t based on older precedents or language which legalized or permitted discrimination. People widely think discrimination is over and no longer exists, but it does. We can see most clearly that America still has predominantly white and predominantly black public schools and neighborhoods, for example. Oh, I agree that there is STILL institutionalized racism in America. It'll be here as long as there is a Democrat Party. They are the ONLY racists in America. CRT is a lie and is itself racist. Anyone who believes it is a racist. 1 Quote
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 25 minutes ago, reason10 said: Oh, I agree that there is STILL institutionalized racism in America. It'll be here as long as there is a Democrat Party. They are the ONLY racists in America. CRT is a lie and is itself racist. Anyone who believes it is a racist. The theory is trash and only serves to divide the country. If you tell one group of people they are the cause of all things bad in this country, and teach another group of people to give up because everyone hates them I don't see how that's constructive at all. Who benefits? Well follow the money. Quote
Rebound Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Posted January 9, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, reason10 said: You have been caught in ANOTHER lie. (Geez! You're so stupid.) https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/proof-critical-race-theory-taught-schools The definitive proof critical race theory is being taught in our schools The left wants to hide the fact that our schools have moved away from teaching basic math, science and reading to promoting critical race theory and the message that America is irredeemably racist https://www.foxnews.com/us/crt-prevalent-american-public-schools-despite-claims-contrary-study-shows A new study shows that elements of critical race theory are prevalent in American schools despite claims that the controversial teaching is only promoted at the college level in law degree programs or doesn't exist at all. The study, conducted by Manhattan Institute policy analyst Zach Goldberg and adjunct fellow Eric Kaufmann, asked 1,505 Americans aged 18 to 20 years old whether they had been taught, or heard from an adult at school, about four core concepts of critical race theory. The majority of respondents, 82.4% of whom attended public school, said they had been taught or heard about those core teachings. The study found that 62% of the respondents, who had yet to graduate or had just recently graduated from high school, have been instructed in class or heard from an adult at school that the United States is a "systemically racist country." More than half of respondents, 57%, said they were taught or heard that White people have "unconscious biases that negatively affect non-white people." https://reason.com/2021/07/06/critical-race-theory-nea-taught-in-schools/ That said, the National Education Association (NEA) appears to have accepted the conservative framing of CRT: namely, that it's not merely confined to academia but is in fact also being taught in K-12 schools. And the NEA thinks this is a good thing that should be defended. https://nypost.com/2022/10/23/schools-teach-crt-so-much-for-jim-crow-2-0-and-other-commentary/ Yes, schools teach CRT, so much for Jim Crow 2.0 and other commentary At its yearly annual meeting, conducted virtually over the past few days, the NEA adopted New Business Item 39, which essentially calls for the organization to defend the teaching of critical race theory.* CRT ONLY a Juris Doctorate subject in law schools? I'd say I've proven that You are illiterate. The NEA policy you cite says this: ”"It is reasonable and appropriate for curriculum to be informed by academic frameworks for understanding and interpreting the impact of the past on current society, including critical race theory.” “Informed by CRT,” is not the same thing as CRT itself. Where is the CRT textbook? Edited January 9, 2023 by Rebound Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
Rebound Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Posted January 9, 2023 38 minutes ago, West said: The theory is trash and only serves to divide the country. If you tell one group of people they are the cause of all things bad in this country, and teach another group of people to give up because everyone hates them I don't see how that's constructive at all. Who benefits? Well follow the money. What graduate class in Critical Race Theory have you taken? Please tell us what books you’ve read on the subject. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
West Posted January 9, 2023 Report Posted January 9, 2023 8 minutes ago, Rebound said: What graduate class in Critical Race Theory have you taken? Please tell us what books you’ve read on the subject. As we've already established, you are lying about this only being graduate level. But of course you know that... can't defend your racist trash on its face so have to gaslight everyone Quote
Rebound Posted January 9, 2023 Author Report Posted January 9, 2023 36 minutes ago, West said: As we've already established, you are lying about this only being graduate level. But of course you know that... can't defend your racist trash on its face so have to gaslight everyone No, I did not lie. If that is true, then show me the textbook. If you teach a child that there is systemic racism in America, that is not Critical Race Theory. Quote @reason10: “Hitler had very little to do with the Holocaust.”
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