Election Headline from the Year 2025

[BeaverFever]

3 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Lots of talk about "Democracy" up there, but the far left, Salon doesn't mean the same thing by "Democracy" that most of us do.

When they say, "Voters overwhelmingly believe American democracy is under threat" they're not talking about the same thing you or I are when we use the term. They'd like you to believe they are so they can claim the statistic but they aren't. "Voters" would include Republican and Independent voters. It would even include Democrats who believe Democracy means when you vote your vote matters. It doesn't matter who that vote is for. It still matters.

Tucker explains what the far left like Salon means by "Democracy":

 

What would a right wing  propagandist like Tucker  know about what liberals mean?
 

And why would anyone take any lectures on democracy from a dictator-supporting demagogue like him who openly admires antidemocratic authoritarians like Orban and apologizes for murderous dictators like  Putin ?

[Infidel Dog]

7 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

What would a right wing  propagandist like Tucker  know about what liberals mean?

Well, with talk like that you'll never know. But the easy answer from my perspective would be he doesn't ignore the obvious. 

It's OK though because I wasn't actually talking to you. 

There are those who are open to Tucker's insights and information. They already know there's a difference between what the prog machine means with this current "end of democracy" theme it's pushing. They recognize it as BS. Tucker will help with clarification as to why.

You sound angry though. That's interesting. I'm thinking maybe you watched a little bit and he hit a nerve.

Edited November 6, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Well, with talk like that you'll never know. But the easy answer from my perspective would be he doesn't ignore the obvious. 

It's OK though because I wasn't actually talking to you. 

There are those who are open to Tucker's insights and information. They already know there's a difference between what the prog machine means with this current "end of democracy" theme it's pushing. They recognize it as BS. Tucker will help with clarification as to why.

You sound angry though. That's interesting. I'm thinking maybe you watched a little bit and he hit a nerve.

Republicans’ desire to end democracy is an obvious fact.

[Infidel Dog]

 

Do you need to be reminded that America is not a Democracy. It's a Republic with democratically influenced checks and balances at different levels of government. Your thought leaders want you believing now that if when Democrats lose at the state level this Tuesday all Democratic input crumbles. It's just another silly scare tactic and it won't work.

[Infidel Dog]

For one thing it relies on a warped definition of "Democracy."

Tucker explained.

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

 

Do you need to be reminded that America is not a Democracy. It's a Republic with democratically influenced checks and balances at different levels of government. Your thought leaders want you believing now that if when Democrats lose at the state level this Tuesday all Democratic input crumbles. It's just another silly scare tactic and it won't work.

This “America is not a democracy” nonsense that you fascists have been peddling the past few years really cracks me up. You’re just trying to lay the ideological groundwork for your authoritarian coup. Nobody said such nonsense before Trump and his Putin-lovers showed up on the scene  Maybe some if the teabaggers weee early adopters 

It’s the ultimate gaslighting. As if we haven’t heard or read every political leader from president to dog catcher refer to American democracy.  What I want to know is:  when you received this drivel from Tucker did it overwrite your previous understanding of what democracy means, or did his lies fill an empty vessel?
 

America is both a Republic and a “Representative Democracy” which is a type of democracy. Learn that term  I know you guys are working hard to end the democracy part and make America a one-party state where the vote no longer matters, but you’ll have to wait until at least 2023 or 2025 to make that happen. 

[BeaverFever]

Your “America is not a democracy” nonsense is also mentioned in an article today about how authoritarian thugs try to start civil war and set up authoritarian regimes (bolded in the excerpt below)

 

These are conditions ripe for political violence’: how close is the US to civil war?

Nearly half of Americans fear their country will erupt within the next decade. Ahead of the midterm elections this week, three experts analyse the depth of the crisis

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The United States is a textbook example of a country headed towards civil war. The trends increasingly point one way, and while nobody knows the future, little – if anything – is being done, by anyone, to try to prevent the collapse of the republic. Belief in democracy is ebbing. The legitimacy of institutions is declining. America increasingly is entering a state where its citizens don’t want to belong to the same country. These are conditions ripe for political violence.

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But the US is more vulnerable to political violence than other countries because of the decrepitude of its institutions. For 40 years, trust in institutions of all kinds – the church, the police, journalism, academia – has been in freefall. Trust in politicians can hardly fall any lower. And there is no reason for trust. The constitution, while unquestionably a work of genius, was a work of 18th-century genius. It simply does not reflect, nor can it respond to, the realities of the 21st century.

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The electoral college system means that, in the near term, a Democrat will win the popular mandate by many millions of votes and still lose the presidency. The crisis of democracy will only grow. With around 345 election deniers on the ballot as candidates in November, the Republicans appear to have evolved a new political strategy, seemingly based on the gambling strategy of Joe Pesci’s character in Casino: if they win, they collect. If they don’t, they tell the bookies to go away. Unless there is a completely separate Republican leadership in place by 2024, they will simply ignore the results they don’t like.

The American electoral system is already hugely localised, outdated and held together by good faith. Any failure to recognise electoral outcomes, even in a few states, could result in a contested election in which nobody reaches the threshold of 270 electoral college votes. In that case, the constitution stipulates a “contingent election” – acclimatise yourself to this phrase now – in which each state gets a single vote. That’s right: if no candidate in an American presidential election reaches the threshold of 270 electoral college votes, the state legislatures, overwhelmingly dominated by Republicans, pick the president, with each state having one vote…A contingent election is one mechanism, just one, by which an American government could be perfectly constitutional and completely undemocratic at the same time. The right has been preparing for exactly such a reality for a while, with a phrase they repeat as if in hope that it will mean something if they say it enough: “We’re a republic, not a democracy.”

Quasi-legitimacy is what leads to violence. And America’s political institutions are destined to become more and more quasi-legitimate from now on. One of the surest markers of incipient civil war in other countries is the legal system devolving from a non-partisan, truly national institution to a spoil of partisan war. That has already happened in the US.

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On a deeper level, the 2022 midterms don’t matter all that much; they will inform us, if anything, of the schedule and the manner of the fall of the republic. The results might delay the decline, or accelerate it, but at this point, no merely political outcome can prevent the downfall. America has passed the point at which the triumph of one party or another can fix what’s wrong with it, and the kind of structural change that’s necessary isn’t on the table. This is a moment between two American politics. The wind has been sown. The whirlwind is yet to be reaped.

 

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/nov/06/how-close-is-the-us-to-civil-war-barbara-f-walter-stephen-march-christopher-parker

[Infidel Dog]

8 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

This “America is not a democracy” nonsense that you fascists have been peddling the past few years really cracks me up.

C'mon Beave, be honest. You don't have a sense of humor to crack up.

But hey, you and yours sure seem to be getting worked up and laying on the blather about people noticing you're not using the term democracy correctly for your "Democracy is under threat" meme. Really seems to be getting you guys worked up. 

Ever hear the one about how when you're getting a lot of flack you know you're over the target?

Edited November 7, 2022 by Infidel Dog

[Infidel Dog]

I like that old chestnut. It's almost as good as the one about how raw democracy is just 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

[BeaverFever]

12 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

C'mon Beave, be honest. You don't have a sense of humor to crack up.

But hey, you and yours sure seem to be getting worked up and laying on the blather about people noticing you're not using the term democracy correctly for your "Democracy is under threat" meme. Really seems to be getting you guys worked up. 

Ever hear the one about how when you're getting a lot of flack you know you're over the target?

The term democracy IS being used correctly. Republican authoritarians trying to set the stage for an American Putin or Orban to sit on the throne are the ones playing word games, all part of their program to groom the public into accepting authoritarian rule.  That’s the REAL groomer threat people should be worrying about. 
 

As the article says, get used to the term “Contingent Election” as one of the many plots Republicans have their eyes on, in order to try and ignore the will of the voters. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by BeaverFever

[BeaverFever]

5 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

I like that old chestnut. It's almost as good as the one about how raw democracy is just 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

Lol some “populist” you are!

But historically populism has always been a ploy for dictatorship so I guess you still are right on track. 

[BeaverFever]

6 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

Ever hear the one about how when you're getting a lot of flack you know you're over the target?

Lol that line is really overused by liars, scammers, screwups and failures 

 

“If I’m being widely criticized then I must be right!”

[Infidel Dog]

5 hours ago, BeaverFever said:

“If I’m being widely criticized then I must be right!”

And I'm sure when you tell the followers in your head that they cheer from the mountains in your head to the shores in your head.

Unfortunately for you though, outside here in reality - crickets.

[Aristides]

On 10/31/2022 at 3:31 PM, Nationalist said:

Interesting. I'm sure there's more to it than that, but we'll see how the SCOTUS rules.

That's the way it is.

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All States, except for Maine and Nebraska have a winner-take-all policy where the State looks only at the overall winner of the state-wide popular vote.  Maine and Nebraska, however, appoint individual electors based on the winner of the popular vote for each Congressional district and then 2 electors based on the winner of the overall state-wide popular vote. 

 

[Nationalist]

1 hour ago, Aristides said:

That's the way it is.

 

We will see.

[BeaverFever]

2 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And I'm sure when you tell the followers in your head that they cheer from the mountains in your head to the shores in your head.

Unfortunately for you though, outside here in reality - crickets.

Me?  You’re the one using that flimsy logic to prop up your flimsy arguments 

[Infidel Dog]

Starting to sound desperate again, Beave.

[BeaverFever]

1 minute ago, Infidel Dog said:

Starting to sound desperate again, Beave.

How so?

[BeaverFever]

14 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

democracy is just 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.

Forgot to mention: thats what minority rights are for to keep the wolves from voting to eat the sheep . But you guys hate “minority rights” don’t you?

[Infidel Dog]

1 minute ago, BeaverFever said:

Forgot to mention: thats what minority rights are for to keep the wolves from voting to eat the sheep . But you guys hate “minority rights” don’t you?

Not sure what you're talking about. Currently minorities have the same rights everybody else does.

[BeaverFever]

7 minutes ago, Infidel Dog said:

Not sure what you're talking about. Currently minorities have the same rights everybody else does.

The point of inalienable  “rights” is to prevent a majority from passing laws against a minority- eg the sheep’s legal right not to be eaten means wolves vote to eat the sheep is invalid.   Just like during the muslim hysteria  where rights prevented the majority from banning hijabs (outside of Quebec and its use of the NWC anyway). 

Edited November 7, 2022 by BeaverFever

[Legato]

11 minutes ago, BeaverFever said:

The point of inalienable  “rights” is to prevent a majority from passing laws against a minority- eg the sheep’s legal right not to be eaten means wolves vote to eat the sheep is invalid.   Just like during the muslim hysteria  where rights prevented the majority from banning hijabs (outside of Quebec and its use of the NWC anyway). 

Cmon Beave, you still don't think the Earth flat, if it was the cats would have knocked everything off by now.

[Infidel Dog]

1 hour ago, BeaverFever said:

The point of inalienable  “rights” is to prevent a majority from passing laws against a minority

And that kind of sounds like you're agreeing with me. Minorities have the legal rights everybody else does.

So what's your problem then?

[BeaverFever]

20 hours ago, Infidel Dog said:

And that kind of sounds like you're agreeing with me. Minorities have the legal rights everybody else does.

So what's your problem then?

Yes but in practice you hated that it kept you from banning hijabs and same sex marriage as just 2 examples.    The gay hijab-wearing sheep were protected from wolves like you and it made so angry 
 

But we’re off track. What Tucker and friends are grooming you to accept reality s an authorization one-party state like Orban’s Hungary on the basis that democracy is bad and the founding fathers never really intended for people to have much of a say in who runs the country. Their solution is a world in which The Party alone decides which sheep get eaten and which will be protected, on a case-by-case basis depending on the sheep’s identity and on what that identity group  “deserves”

[Infidel Dog]

Beave, you're not qualified to speak for me or Tucker. You've never listened to either of us.

You should though.