A peasant revolt

[myata]

In a different time, different age and in a different country (maybe) a wise omniscient King ruled wisely and generously until a terrible plague struck the land. That called for all kinds of emergency measures and protocols that at times seemed: overreaching; arbitrary, volatile, inconsistent or even self-contradictory. Wise people of course knew the deep and absolute wisdom of the king, his supreme priests and all and every one of their decisions just were too busy in their selfless service or struggling to find words to explain it to the lowly and dark pueblo. And that created unfortunate misunderstandings. Rumors spread that in another land the mandates and restrictions weren't ever mandatory, there were no closures and lock-downs and even that the plague wasn't a plague at all but only a flu-like respiratory infection. But priests and their apprentices were too busy in their selfless service (very understandably, raking well earned emergency benefits) and failed to take heed or Heaven forbid, attempt to explain their policies in a plain, common language.

Then in an unfortunate turn of events, another wise and timely edict as the future will show (maybe, or quite possibly at the time of writing) caused angry agitation in a tiny group a truly fringe minority of the peasant folk. Unabashed, in their dim inability to grasp the supreme wisdom, they directed their base instincts and instruments of lowly peasant work to the holy place of the seat of the king. Understandably, He had no other choice but to invoke the Emergency Absolute Powers that thanks to wise forefathers of the shining democracy were always available to him in the time of great need (without checks, .. OK you got it already no need repeating). And the rest is history.

The commission on trucker protest is in full swing. Several leaders of the protest are in gaol on various charges. King's justice is turning its wheels (what do you mean: effective checks on overreach and abuse of executive power?). And the reasons and justifications of arbitrary and overreaching measures? No how can we - still a taboo. In some decades there may be a High Commission of Inquiry. If the supreme wisdom would find it appropriate of course. And how else, in our democracy?

Edited July 12, 2022 by myata

[ExFlyer]

What a bunch of trash.

Truckers debacle is over, just like the plague is over.  Move on.

[myata]

This kind of happy sham democratic party cannot continue in perpetuity. There will be a price to pay the question isn't if, only when and will we have enough to cover it.

[eyeball]

27 minutes ago, myata said:

This kind of happy sham democratic party cannot continue in perpetuity. There will be a price to pay the question isn't if, only when and will we have enough to cover it.

Yup, the same thing is just as true about the consequences of resisting climate change action.

I agree a happy sham democracy is our biggest hurdle going forward on just about anything.

[myata]

2 hours ago, eyeball said:

a happy sham democracy is our biggest hurdle going forward on just about anything

Its main call and reason to exist is to perpetuate itself, unchanged and unchallenged, for as long as possible (that is, in its view, forever). It is, very clearly, not solving problems and finding ways forward for the society. We will have to wake up to realize it sooner or later, one way or the other. And the last, default option that is always there would be hitting an evolutionary brick wall.

Edited July 12, 2022 by myata

[herbie]

30 minutes ago, myata said:

Its main call and reason to exist is to perpetuate itself, unchanged and unchallenged, for as long as possible (that is, in its view, forever)

So you don't "believe" in evolution either?

[myata]

1 hour ago, herbie said:

So you don't "believe" in evolution either?

Evolution and sailing blind forever in the firm belief in the entitlement to sail blind forever are (usually) mutually exclusive outcomes. We only need to pick one.

[herbie]

What the HELL are you talking about? Or were you just itching to post another neocon buzzword 'entitlement' as if it had anything at all to do with the subject at hand?

[Dougie93]

the problem with revolutions is that they don't actually solve the problem

for example the peasants are literally revolting in Sri Lanka right now

the inflation rate went to 54% in June, and that was the breaking point

but whatever government that they end up putting in place

that 54% inflation suddenly becomes their problem

what are they going to do, raise interest rates to 60% ?

pretty soon the new government is just as despotic as the old government

because the problem hasn't been solved

not to mention that highly unstable governance can simply the make the problem way worse

such as capital flight, currency collapse,  and associated hyperinflation

Edited July 12, 2022 by Dougie93

[myata]

2 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the problem with revolutions is that they don't actually solve the problem

You just nailed it: unable to evolve and adapt intelligently, we'll be screwed either way. No there isn't a good exit in such a condition.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, myata said:

You just nailed it:

not me, Edmund Burke

the father of modern conservatism

the French Revolution is not a salvation, quite the opposite

but Canada has some key advantages

the population of Spain

with the resources of Russia

so unlike the House of Bourbon, it's very difficult for Canada to go literally broke

plus Canadians are the most counterrevolutionary people on earth

so don't hold your breath for a full on revolt in Canada

 

[myata]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

the French Revolution is not a salvation, quite the opposite

Here I have to disagree. Dead ends can be far apart and look very different but in essence they are the same: nowhere to go. Failure to learn, change and adapt. This country's political system and more generally, administration of public matters are in a clear dead end. Money can be thrown at problems, lots of it. Real change and real solutions, not many and far apart. And unlike other examples no one, ever here gave it a thought: how it is going to evolve and change? No, change was never in the plan. So where do we go from here?

Edited July 13, 2022 by myata

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, myata said:

Here I have to disagree.

the French Revolution was a catastrophe, for the revolutionaries too, as they were also mass murdered

the net result was Bonaparte appointing himself as monarch, and then waging a total war which wrecked France

the British meanwhile, made out like bandits

all the money fled the continent to the liberal safe haven in London

making the British Empire the wealthiest and most powerful of all time

then the British paid  for coalitions to fight Napoleon, until they defeated the French totally

"A l'exemple de Saturne, la révolution dévore ses enfants" ~ Jacques Mallet du Pan, 1793

Edited July 13, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

2 hours ago, myata said:

So where do we go from here?

well, this is Canada

it exists only as a reactionary counterrevolutionary bulwark against the American revolution

culture is destiny

so to stage a revolution in Canada is to destroy Canada

otherwise known as burning the village to save the village

I personally predict that this current crop of utterly corrupt & inept Globalists will be wiped out

because America no longer backs Globalism, so it is collapsing

thus all the schemes of these  foppish politicians will fail completely

but it's not going to require a revolution here

the Americans are ending Globalism of their own volition, Canada will be dragged along with

careful what you wish for tho, because Globalism did have many upsides

such as containing inflation, which is now going to come back with a vengeance

Globalism made things so soft & easy, that it bred a soft & stupid population

hard times breed better men, but it will still be hard times going back to Cold War

like interest rates going to 20%, that was the worst recession since the Great Depression

this has in fact all happened before

because in the wake of Napoleon, the British Empire made the original Globalism

and those naive sheltered people charged into the First World War thinking it would be over by Christmas

then the rest of the 20th century was catastrophic war, to the brink of thermonuclear Armageddon

when I was a teenager, I was training to fight World War Three on a nuclear battlefield

when the Iron Curtain fell instead, resulting in American Globalism, that was a jubilee

Edited July 13, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

the moral of the story is, Geopolitics determines the arc of your life

your local politics are entirely shaped by Geopolitics

your destiny is determined by the geostrategic situation between the military Great Powers

you don't decide to have a revolution, that will be imposed upon you, or not, at the geostrategic level

[myata]

There's nothing extraordinary about geopolitics, it's only an environment in which one has to learn to live, change and adapt. Detached and isolated from the reality system only wants to insulate itself from any meaningful change forever. And as the past have shown us over and again, in the environments of asteroid dinosaurs have a hard time.

[Dougie93]

the point is simply that the peasants do not decide when to revolt

geopolitical events incite the conditions which leads to revolts

case in point, the French Revolution

the geopolitical event was French intervention on the side of the American rebels against the British Crown

the war against the British pushed the French into insolvency

and the French showed their own people that a King could be overthrown, by helping the Americans do it

then  the Jacobins were able to whip the peasants up into a revolt, so the Jacobins could rule France