First a trickle....Now a flood

[User]

10 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

 

You pointed out that they did warn the public, I demonstrated with your own link but they deliberately said it was the same risk as any other vaccine I may be not even that much. I then provided additional links to show them down playing it further

You made that assertion, but when asked to show where that link said that… ran away.

11 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

You asked what risks I told you. You asked what should be said I told you.

That isn’t all I asked and while you responded, it wasn’t really an answer, except for the one, as I pointed out and you ignored.

 

[Goddess]

22 minutes ago, User said:

You have recently twice run away.

No.  I choose not to engage you because you don't engage honestly.

23 minutes ago, User said:

When you pushed your anti-vax nonsense about Polio then about Measles.

I told you why i stopped engaging you on that.  When polio & measles deaths go down by 98% BEFORE a vaccine is invented and you contend that the only reason deaths went down was 100% because of vaccine, you're either stoopid or pretending to be stoopid.

If you wanna play stoopid, you play by yourself.

[User]

17 minutes ago, Goddess said:

43 minutes ago, User said:

 

No.  I choose not to engage you because you don't engage honestly

Yet, you can’t point out the dishonesty.

The reality is that you push the standard surface level deep anti-vax talking points, I show you the data and logical reasoning for how you are wrong… and you got no response.

18 minutes ago, Goddess said:

44 minutes ago, User said:

 

I told you why i stopped engaging you on that.  When polio & measles deaths go down by 98% BEFORE a vaccine is invented and you contend that the only reason deaths went down was 100% because of vaccine, you're either stoopid or pretending to be stoopid.

If you wanna play stoopid, you play by yourself.

See, now you are lying. My position was never that it was 100% because of a vaccine, that deaths went down. 
 

You just have to make up shit to justify your inability to engage intellectually with facts and logic. 

[Goddess]

User, you are fast becoming the minority - people who believe in vaccines like it's a religion and are firmly against actual testing of them, including the effect of multiple shots at one time, as in the childhood schedule.

More & more people, thanks to what happened during covid, are questioning.  And they are finding out that none of the shots on the childhood schedule have ever been through comprehensive, placebo-controlled testing.  They are finding out they were lied to.

When Pharma was given blanket immunity in 1986, the childhood schedule ballooned from about 12 childhood shots to almost 80.

It has never been studied what the effects are of giving an infant 6-10 shots at a time.  While mothers are cautioned to only gradually introduce foods, one at a time to babies who start on food nutrition.

Other peer countries have studied this and as a result have greatly reduced the childhood schedules in those countries.

but Big Pharma is based in the US and they are not going to give up their billions of dollars easily.

 

Realigning United States Core Childhood Vaccine Recommendations with Best Practices from Peer, Developed Countries – The White House

 

In December 2025, a Fabrizio poll of 1,000 voters in key House districts was circulated to the White House and picked up wall-to-wall by the New York Times and other outlets, with the message that vaccine skepticism was bad politics and that candidates who questioned childhood vaccine requirements would pay at the ballot box. Kennedy was told to stand down on vaccines and focus on food. The White House obliged.

is the rest of the Fabrizio data, from a poll conducted in October 2025 by Trump's own longtime pollster, that was never released. The suppressed results show that

• 73% of voters expressed concern about childhood vaccine mandates,
• 90% expressed concern about the pharmaceutical industry's corrupting influence over government, politics, medical research, and news coverage,
• 70% across all political affiliations want vaccine manufacturer blanket immunity lifted.

Nearly seven in ten voters want more research into vaccines' cumulative effect on infants.

The poll that shaped six months of White House vaccine policy told a fraction of the story. The rest was kept from Trump.

Against that backdrop, Trump just signed an executive order directing the CDC and ACIP to review the scientific assessment and latest clinical data and take appropriate steps to update the childhood and adolescent vaccine schedule, with explicit language requiring that all actions fulfill legal obligations with respect to parental authority, religious freedom, disability accommodations, and equal protection.

Dr. Robert Malone, former ACIP co-chair, describes the order as potentially changing the vaccine debate forever, because the phrase "to the extent permitted by law" restores executive branch authority over vaccination policy and strips ACIP of its de facto rule-making power, confining the committee to an advisory role rather than the policy-setting function it has exercised for decades.

The Massachusetts judge's stay on the ACIP restructuring had put Kennedy's reform agenda on ice. This executive order moves around that roadblock.

We should keep our eyes focused on the next ACIP meeting.

 

[User]

@Goddess

You claim you are not anti-vax… so what vaccines do you support? 

[User]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

 

User, you are fast becoming the minority - people who believe in vaccines like it's a religion and are firmly against actual testing of them, including the effect of multiple shots at one time, as in the childhood schedule.

 

Well… once again, you build some false image of me.

This is what you have to do. You can’t engage earnestly so you make crap up. 

[Goddess]

Just now, User said:

My position was never that it was 100% because of a vaccine,

You refused to acknowledge that the majority of childhood disease was eliminated by better hygiene, nutrition, sanitation and advances in medical infection control.  You insisted that vaccines alone had done all the work.  You insisted this even though I showed you actual data and charts directly from the CDC, showing exactly that.

You are so emotionally attached to everyone being forced to get every vaccine available that you cannot think straight or discuss anything honestly.

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, User said:

so what vaccines do you support? 

I support individuals making their own choices, based on their own individual health assessments and needs, when it comes to vaccines and any other medical interventions.

I base whether I "support" a certain vaccine or don't support another, based on myself, my own health and needs.  And I expect others to do the same.

Your question is retarded.

I drive the car I drive because it was the best choice for me, based on my own needs, price range, automotive knowledge, etc.  It doesn't mean I "support" Toyota and believe the government should step in and force everyone to buy a Toyota.

[Goddess]

58 minutes ago, User said:

That isn’t all I asked and while you responded, it wasn’t really an answer, except for the one, as I pointed out and you ignored

Who the f*ck are you that you think you have the right to bully and demand anything of people on the internet?

You say the government fully informed people, he says they didn't.

So what?  You're just gonna bully him for 5 pages til he says you're right?

HE DOESN'T FEEL PEOPLE WERE FULLY OR CORRECTLY INFORMED AND HE SHOWED YOU WHY AND EXPLAINED WHY AND GAVE YOU LINKS FOR WHY.  HE DID THIS OVER & OVER & OVER.

I gave you an entire article of the KNOWN risks of mRNA tech BEFORE the jabs were mandated, again showing the government did not fully or correctly inform people.  You ignored it.

You are a dishonest debater.  Nobody is "running" from you.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Goddess

[User]

23 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You refused to acknowledge that the majority of childhood disease was eliminated by better hygiene, nutrition, sanitation and advances in medical infection control.  You insisted that vaccines alone had done all the work.  You insisted this even though I showed you actual data and charts directly from the CDC, showing exactly that.

Well, because those things didn’t “eliminate” a majority of childhood disease. It did significantly reduce it. As I acknowledged. It was only after the introduction of both the Polio and Measles vaccines that we seen elimination of those diseases and even more reduction in the spread of the disease beyond improved hygiene and sanitation and medical care. 

”Yeah, scienctists tend to agree that improved sanitation, hygene, and medical care advancements all contributed to a decrease in DEATHS.”

28 minutes ago, Goddess said:

You are so emotionally attached to everyone being forced to get every vaccine available that you cannot think straight or discuss anything honestly.

For the millionth time, I’ve never supported forcing people to get vaccinated, let alone every vaccine. 
 

You don’t get to say I won’t discuss things honestly when it is you who keeps lying about what I’ve said and advocated for. 

19 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Who the f*ck are you that you think you have the right to bully and demand anything of people on the internet?

This is a discussion forum. If you post baseless assertions, I’m gonna challenge them.

Maybe you should get a journal… then you can’t write down all your conspiracy theories and baseless assertions where no one can see them and actually ask you to back up that nonsense. 

[User]

25 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I support individuals making their own choices, based on their own individual health assessments and needs, when it comes to vaccines and any other medical interventions.

I base whether I "support" a certain vaccine or don't support another, based on myself, my own health and needs.  And I expect others to do the same.

Your question is retarded.

I drive the car I drive because it was the best choice for me, based on my own needs, price range, automotive knowledge, etc.  It doesn't mean I "support" Toyota and believe the government should step in and force everyone to buy a Toyota.

OK… but what vaccines do you support?

This should be an easy question to answer if you are not an anti-vax person as you claim. 
 

Which ones have you researched and found to be good? 
 

You spend all this time on here saying which ones you oppose, which ones you tell people not to take… why can’t you do the opposite? 

[Goddess]

4 minutes ago, User said:

It was only after the introduction of both the Polio and Measles vaccines that we seen elimination

Measles has not been eliminated.

The 98% that was eliminated had nothing to do with vaccines.

Period.

Polio was well into the downstroke before vaccines and is attributed to an unknown toxic element that no longer is around. A lot of scientists believe DDT was a contributing factor, as they were literally spraying school children with DDT at the time and only US soldiers, who were also sprayed with DDT had outbreaks that didn't affect the local populations of the countries they were serving in.

Again, nothing to do with vaccines.

Period.

Scarlet fever disappeared on its own.

Again, no vaccine.

While vaccines can contribute to health, they are not the holy grail of medicine that you think they are.

6 minutes ago, User said:

OK… but what vaccines do you support?

Last time - your question is retarded.  I explained why.

[User]

3 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Last time - your question is retarded.  I explained why.

No, you made up some flimsy excuses about cars… 

Its like saying you are not opposed to cars, but then when I ask you which ones you are OK with you can’t answer.

its should be simple. I think Toyota Tacoma’s are great. 
 

I’m also a fan of kids not dying or suffering through whooping cough. I like that vaccine too! 
 

See? 

Not hard. 

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, User said:

I’m also a fan of kids not dying or suffering through whooping cough. I like that vaccine too!

What do you know about it?

Tell me what you think of the 2014 SAGE review of the DTP shots and the 2017 Aaby study that addressed the 3 issues that were identified in the SAGE review.  How about the 2018 Aaby study followup?  Or the 2019 study from Denmark?

What do you think caused the 80-90% decline in pertussis from 1900-1940, when a vaccine wasn't invented for it until 1949?  (The 1914 vax for it was shit.  But I'm sure you're aware of that already.)

I assume you have read all these and can comment without quickly googling them, because you "support" the pertussis vax.

Edited 3 hours ago by Goddess

[User]

7 minutes ago, Goddess said:

What do you know about it?

Tell me what you think of the 2014 SAGE review of the DTP shots and the 2017 Aaby study that addressed the 3 issues that were identified in the SAGE review.  How about the 2018 Aaby study followup?  Or the 2019 study from Denmark?

I assume you have read all these and can comment without quickly googling them, because you "support" the pertussis vax.

See, I already know you are an anti-vaxxer. Hell, even now, it’s like you compulsively can’t help yourself. I mention one and you missed the whole point and jump on opposing it.

The point being made here is that you for some reason, you don’t own that and tried to claim you got vaccinated and are not an anti-vaxxer.

Im asking you to tell me a vaccine you support, but you can’t, because you are an anti-vaxxer. 

Edited 3 hours ago by User

[Goddess]

1 minute ago, User said:

tell me a vaccine you support

Tell me why you support the DTP vax.

[CdnFox]

1 hour ago, User said:

You made that assertion, but when asked to show where that link said that… ran away.

 

 

More lies. What a cowardly little shit you are. I pointed to the beginning of the thread where you asked the questions and they were immediately answered. You then change your story to "Yes but it was a half assed answer"  Which is also a lie

. It's right here in the thread right after I replied to you it's right there. No running

You were wrong and you allowed your emotions to make you look like a complete ******. Now you're desperately trying to sweep your own crap under the rug but it doesn't change the truth

Everyone can see. You ask the question I answered it. You asked a question I answered it. Sometimes I answer the question two or three times as you kept repetitively asking for it pretending it had not been answered already

You're a severe disappointment and you should be horribly embarrassed

[User]

9 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Tell me why you support the DTP vax.

I already did. You gonna keep running from such a simple question? 

“I’m also a fan of kids not dying or suffering through whooping cough.”

 

[Goddess]

8 minutes ago, User said:

I already did. You gonna keep running from such a simple question? 

“I’m also a fan of kids not dying or suffering through whooping cough.”

 

Ah, I see.

So you don't know actually know anything about it, you just heard some shit.

You see why I can't engage you on this?  Your knowledge is based on CBC headlines.

Edited 2 hours ago by Goddess

[User]

6 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Ah, I see.

So you don't know actually know anything about it, you just heard some shit.

You see why I can't engage you on this?  Your knowledge is based on CBC headlines.

No, you are presuming crap as always. 
 

You are finding any excuse you can to run away from a simple question.

 

[Goddess]

2 minutes ago, User said:

No, you are presuming crap as always.

I'm not presuming.

You said you support it because you don't like seeing kids sick with pertussis.

That would be all of us.

You have no data, you have no studies, you have no logic or reasoning, you have nothing.  You have a very strong opinion on something that is based on......what?

Go get educated and stop mucking up my thread with your stupidity.

You think you're smart on this subject.  You're not.

You know abso-f*cking-lutely NOTHING.

[User]

31 minutes ago, CdnFox said:

More lies. What a cowardly little shit you are. I pointed to the beginning of the thread where you asked the questions and they were immediately answered. You then change your story to "Yes but it was a half assed answer"  Which is also a lie

We spent pages of me asking you to show me and you never did… and now you claim you did. LOL

once again, this is a timeline, where you finally after pages of refusing, gave me somewhat of a gish gallop response I had to dissect and analyze and respond to, at that point, I pointed out what you did then.

Then, you ignored almost all of my response. 
 

You just want to quibble over nothing. 

[User]

12 minutes ago, Goddess said:

I'm not presuming.

You said you support it because you don't like seeing kids sick with pertussis.

That would be all of us.

You have no data, you have no studies, you have no logic or reasoning, you have nothing.  You have a very strong opinion on something that is based on......what?

Go get educated and stop mucking up my thread with your stupidity.

You think you're smart on this subject.  You're not.

You know abso-f*cking-lutely NOTHING.

You asked a basic question. I answered.

Now you want data and studies? 

Are you saying there are none of those things? How silly. 

You sit here saying I know nothing, when yet again, you were too ignorant to know that it wasn’t the mRNA COVID vaccines that were implicated with the blood clotting issues and you blamed it on them.

You don’t get to pretend like you are an expert here when I have repeatedly demonstrated otherwise.

Now, you are desperately trying to avoid and run from a simple question:

What vaccines do you support? 

Can you name even one?

[CdnFox]

12 minutes ago, User said:

We spent pages of me asking you to show me and you never did

Of course i did. right after you asked the questions 

It's there for you to see, for me to see, for everyone to see.  So what you're really doing is trying to cover the fact you were a lying asswipe who was wrong from minute one but too much of a coward to admit it. 

It's RIGHT THERE.  EVERYTHING you asked got answered, and right away. Till you started asking the same thing over and over despite the fact it had been answered

The gov't did not substantially warn the public of the risk, THey should have, they have not stood behind people who suffered from the shot, they should,  you're a twat, you shouldn't be. 

 THat simple and the rest is you being a crybaby coward instead of facing facts you don't like

[Goddess]

The point I'm making is that we need to assess the benefits of vaccination rationally and objectively, not hysterically and instinctively, as User is doing by having emotional meltdowns when presented with facts, yelling that millions of children would die without them.

That is categorically false.

You can ignore the rate of decline for each childhood disease prior to a vaccine being invented if you want, but let's suspend reality and assume User is right and the majority of decline is due to vaccines.

The reality is that the rate of decline for the last 2-10% mortality, either was the same or slower after introduction of a vaccine.  Vaccines did not make the rate decline faster.  And in some cases, deaths increased after a vaccine was introduced.

For some reason, User believes strongly that INCREASED deaths after a vaccine introduction, is evidence of a safe & effective vaccine.  I'll let you all work through that one, mentally, on your own.

Total deaths are still nowhere near millions.  Not hundreds of thousands, not tens of thousands, not even high thousands.

Even accounting for population increase, claiming that vaccines save millions of lives every year is an exaggeration and the data does not show that, because these diseases were rapidly declining BEFORE a vaccine.  That claim is off.  But a very large amount.

For some diseases, deaths are so low that they are only estimated, making any claimed reduction for those ones, entirely speculative.

This is not diminishing any death.  All deaths are tragic.  Including deaths from vaccines.  User views vaccine deaths as acceptable collateral damage.  F*ck THOSE kids, amirite?

If Big Pharma is lying to you about this, do you think they might be lying about the number of deaths FROM vaccines?  It is in their best financial interests to keep the public hysterical about childhood diseases, which were nearly eliminated without the use of vaccines, and in the dark about the number of vaccine injuries.