First a trickle....Now a flood

[CdnFox]

Just now, eyeball said:

A I've said I have 4 doctors who advise me.

Dr Seuss, Dr Spock, Dr Phil and Dr Pepper. 

 

[Goddess]

5 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Not for COVID.

87 studies and datasets from all over the world say otherwise.

I'm going to go with science on this one.

Personally I wouldn't see any doctor who didn't keep up with the latest studies or gave me false information.

But you do you, boo.

[Goddess]

Shouldn't this be going the OTHER way?

[Goddess]

Infection fatality rates for Covid for which we violated civil liberties en masse:

0.0003% at 0–19 years

0.002% at 20–29 0.011% 

30–39 0.035% 

40–49 0.123% 

50–59 0.506% 

60–69  0.506% 

Overall:  0–69 years 0.063–0.082%

Or, around 0.07%.

[Goddess]

I don't agree with forced vaccination, but I know some feel that anything goes and the end justifies the means.

If we fight against anything - it should be lockdowns.  They should NEVER be allowed to happen again.

Lockdowns were NOT common sense measures. They were hysterical reactions out of fear.

Here are 15 of just some of the reasons why it was not common sense. (I’m not including all the reasons we have NOW to see they were a bad idea.)

1. Evidence was poor that COVID19 was doomsday in the first place.

~ Low IFR https://cebm.net/covid-19/global-covid-19-case-fatality-rates/…

~ R0 around 2.3 https://ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/32097725

~ Age distribution similar to flu https://x.com/jamestodaromd//JamesTodaroMD/status/1254475378795651072?s=20…

~ Hits those with significant morbidities.

~ Safer for the young than flu

2. Literature review prior to COVID19 had little good to say about shutdowns https://apps.who.int/iris/bitstream/handle/10665/329438/9789241516839-eng.pdf

3. Almost no awareness of the impact on civil rights, as if emergency declaration suspension of rights, house arrest, mass unemployment and business shutdowns is just something democratic governments sometimes do.

4. There was no historical precedent for putting the entire healthy population in "quarantine".

Never. Before.

This was common sense.

5. There are broad classes of physical distancing & other measures that can slow down infection spread, including organic responses from governmental urgings, shopping times for those with comorbidities, greater cleaning, etc. And nothing is obvious about which one works best.

6. Even if lockdowns in principle work, do real humans follow them sufficiently well that it remains better than other measures? Even our own "leaders" did not follow them.  Almost half our Canadian parliament went on tropical holidays after locking down the rest of us.  Boris Johnson, Neil Ferguson - the godfather of covid lockdowns, the recent news of Jay Varma of NYC having sex parties......

7. Was the infection even discovered early enough that lockdowns would make much of a difference?

8. Might lockdowns handicap society on reaching herd immunity? Is this good, or bad?

9. Nor is it common sense that lockdowns, even if they handled the infection risks better than other measures, are best when the economic consequences are included. The economic consequences are not common sense. They are devastating, including health and quality of life.

10. Lockdowns can lead to people not seeking medical attention, raising mortality in other areas of medicine.

11. Lockdowns and the resultant economic downturn and loneliness can lead to depression, greater domestic abuse, alcoholism. Is it common sense that these are worth it? Nothing obvious about it.

 

12. Lockdowns lower everyone’s immune system. Does this make everyone more prone to ANY infection once they come out?

 

13. Lockdowns confine people together, and nearly all infections happen in such situations, not from grocery stores, restaurants, parks, etc. The mean reproduction number in such situations can be much higher.

 

14. Members of extended families tend to interact even during lockdowns. But because extended families overlap other extended families in a network, infection continues to spread. This could mean lockdowns worsened things. Common sense doesn’t tell us whether it’s faster or not.

 

15. The greatest low-risk black swan dangers for humans are the stuff other humans do. Riots, revolutions, wars, human-induced famine, and so on. Playing with civil rights en masse while devastating the economy -- what could go wrong?

 

DON'T GET FOOLED AGAIN.

 

 

 

 

 

[User]

On 9/24/2024 at 9:06 AM, Goddess said:

Shouldn't this be going the OTHER way?

That is a cumulative deaths chart. There is no other direction it can go other than up... *facepalm*

 

[User]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:47 PM, Goddess said:

87 studies and datasets from all over the world say otherwise.

I'm going to go with science on this one.

Personally I wouldn't see any doctor who didn't keep up with the latest studies or gave me false information.

But you do you, boo.

The science doesn't support Ivermectin for COVID. 

Penicillin was one of the most significant advances in medicine in history for treating infections... doesn't mean it does anything for COVID or other viral infections. Touting how great Ivermectin is for other conditions means nothing in regards to treating or preventing COVID. 

There are no latest studies to keep up with here... and I am surprised, you seem to think the whole thing is fake, so why would there be any studies of something to treat a non-existent problem like COVID?

 

[User]

On 9/18/2024 at 4:36 PM, Goddess said:

Still doesn't explain your rejection of over 80 studies on ivermectin use in humans for covid or your insistance that's it's nothing but horsepaste.

 

Show me the best study you got, the number one study. Lets see it. 

 

[Goddess]

8 hours ago, User said:

The science doesn't support Ivermectin for COVID. 

Read the 87 studies that say otherwise and get back to me.

6 hours ago, User said:

Show me the best study you got, the number one study. Lets see it. 

 

There's lots in this thread.

Late to the party again.

[Goddess]

 

At last!  A paper looking at cardiac disease by vaccination status!

Association of SARS-CoV-2 immunoserology and vaccination status with myocardial infarction severity and outcome - PubMed (nih.gov)

New article in Vaccine shows that patients with hybrid exposure to SARS-CoV-2 infection AND COVID vaccination have increased 6-month risk post-acute myocardial infraction, for major adverse cardiac event or heart failure & cardiogenic shock. Hybrid exposure causes very high levels of spike antibodies - basically, spike protein overload.

My thoughts - possible that the vax may generate much higher levels of spike because, unlike natural infection, the vax is a much shorter RNA sequence, which could make it possible for each ribosome to generate spike at a much higher rate than the complete virus.

REMINDER:  N-antigens are what your body produces in response to getting covid naturally and are not produced by the bodies of vaccinated individuals.  It's why you have better future immunity by getting covid naturally, than the immunity produced by the injections.

Findings:

Younger vaccinated patients (<65 years) faced a higher risk of severe outcomes compared to older patients.

People who had a covid vaccine up to 30 days before a heart attack showed a higher likelihood of experiencing a major cardiac event (MACE) in the following 6 months (not significant after adjustments).

Previous infection (indicated by N-antibodies) did not have a significant effect on MACE risk. (So those claiming heart issues are more common from the virus than from the injection are again....lying.)

Risk of severe heart failure was higher in vaccinated individuals, with the greatest risk observed in those who had both vaccination and prior infection.

There were no major differences in underlying risk factors (such as hypertension, diabetes, or dyslipidemia) between vaccinated and unvaccinated individuals, except for smoking, which was more common in the unvaccinated group.

This was evident anecdotally in December 2020. High risk seniors were jabbed without any screening for possible current infection. Then presenting with massive strokes or MI’s within 3-5 days of jab, with subsequent positive test.  Of course, the virus was blamed at the time, but it's increasingly looking like it was really from the jabs.

I think it's a shame this study couldn't be a bit more granular about timing of vaccination, particularly with second dose with respect to first dose and the initial infection. The data must be there........🤔
 

 

This (below) study also reports a relative risk increase, but not an absolute risk increase. Of course, this is a retrospective single center review. The cohort is people who ALREADY had heart issues prior to injection.  

I don't really like it, it is really just a review of case reports and case series that examines which type of vaccine is associated with several CV complications.

BUT!!!    It features a reassuring conclusion about risk-benefit balance, based upon virtually no data at all.  YAY!

Risk of Worsening Heart Failure and All-Cause Mortality Following COVID-19 Vaccination in Patients With Heart Failure: A Nationwide Real-World Safety Study - PubMed (nih.gov)

 

This was another study showing the same thing:  

Association of SARS-CoV-2 immunoserology and vaccination status with myocardial infarction severity and outcome - PubMed (nih.gov)

 

It was lunacy/malpractice to force people that already had acquired immunity to take an experimental jab. The medical complex lost all credibility when they participated in that ridiculous agenda.

 

[User]

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

Read the 87 studies that say otherwise and get back to me.

I have read the studies that show it doesn't have any meaningful impact on COVID as a treatment or prevention.

2 hours ago, Goddess said:

There's lots in this thread.

Late to the party again.

Give me your best one. 

[Goddess]

34 minutes ago, User said:

Give me your best one. 

Why?  Would it change your mind?

[User]

41 minutes ago, Goddess said:

Why?  Would it change your mind?

Maybe. Long before I joined this forum I have had these same discussions before and I have seen the same bogus claims before. I am fairly certain you are happy to play these games of ambiguity and won't give me the best example you got, because then I can actually read through it and argue against it. 

As long as you are making vague claims, there is nothing to expose other than your arguments being vague and not backed up. 

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, User said:

As long as you are making vague claims, there is nothing to expose other than your arguments being vague and not backed up. 

I think you can ask anyone here - I have definitely not been vague. And I'm the most prolific at backing up what I say. This thread alone has probably hundreds of articles, studies and datasets.

You're just late to the party and demanding that I catch you up on everything I've posted for the last few years.

10 hours ago, User said:

because then I can actually read through it and argue against it.

No offense, but I don't get the impression you have enough knowledge of the subject to understand what you read or argue against it.

How much have you looked into:

• ADE
• OAS
• SV40
• Why the vax is "non-sterilizing" and what that means
• What proteins does the vax produce in a body and what proteins does the virus produce when infected naturally
• What are the mechanisms for myocarditis, neurological issues, etc as adverse events of the jabs
• How does basic immunology work - what is the vax doing to people's immune systems
• Basic virology - how vaccines are supposed to work
• What is the science that lockdowns were based on

I've talked extensively on all these subjects in this thread.

You seem to be exactly like eyeball - just follow me around the board, attacking me personally, repeating whatever you heard in the media, contributing nothing in the way of discussion, studies or datasets.

I've posted many studies, datasets and discussions on IVM but you heard in the media it was "horsepaste" and there are no amount of studies, datasets or discussion that will change your mind because CBC.......

You don't want to learn anything, you don't want to discuss.  You just want to follow me around making personal attacks and repeating 4 year old MSM talking points that have long since been de-bunked.

Science hasn't changed.

You were lied to.

And you seem quite content to remain ignorant of the above topics and why they are important to the discussion of vaccines.

It's like talking to a child.  Extremely simple explanations are all you can handle.  And that's fine.

But usually as a child grows in knowledge, you can explain further the science behind why the sky is blue.  Your knowledge and understanding very lacking so it's difficult to have discussion on these topics with you.  If you don't understand OAS or ADE, you're not going to understand why mass vaccination with a non-sterilizing vaccine has long been known to be very bad.

I don't have time to do your homework.  I've done mine and it's all here if you care to look at it.

Edited September 26, 2024 by Goddess

[Goddess]

10 hours ago, User said:

because then I can actually read through it and argue against it. 

This is what I'm talking about.

You've already decided to reject any studies or datasets that disagree with your pre-set views.

You've already decided you're going to argue against anything I post.

The problem is - you don't have the knowledge to do so.  What I post is not mine.  You want to argue against ME. But you're actually arguing against established science because CBC.

I don't respect that. Sorrynotsorry.

Edited September 26, 2024 by Goddess

[User]

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I think you can ask anyone here - I have definitely not been vague. And I'm the most prolific at backing up what I say. This thread alone has probably hundreds of articles, studies and datasets.

You're just late to the party and demanding that I catch you up on everything I've posted for the last few years.

It was a pretty simple question. You could have easily answered it by now, but choose to obfuscate instead. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

No offense, but I don't get the impression you have enough knowledge of the subject to understand what you read or argue against it.

OK, post your best study, lets find out. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

It's like talking to a child.  Extremely simple explanations are all you can handle.  And that's fine.

Wow... you posted all that nonsense instead of just posting the best study you got. I think we both know why... its because you know the best study you got is garbage. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

You've already decided to reject any studies or datasets that disagree with your pre-set views.

No, I didn't, I am just saying we both know why you won't post it. 

1 hour ago, Goddess said:

I don't respect that. Sorrynotsorry.

OK... you still didn't post the best study you got. We both know why. 

You can't live with these vague accusations anymore if you have actually post something specific that can be criticized. 

 

[Goddess]

When you've read up on ADE and OAS and understand the difference between sterilizing and non-sterilizing vaccines and have some knowledge of the how, when & why (and why not) of mass vaccinations during a pandemic, I'd be happy to discuss with you. 

The information is all in this thread.

Although I suspect with a bit more knowledge in these areas, you'll understand why your questions are a bit ridiculous.

[Goddess]

Here is ANOTHER example of the "experts" you guys were following, while I was following actual frontline doctors, scientists, epidemiologists, virologists from Harvard, Yale, Oxford and other universities from around the world.

You can add him to all the political figures, like Boris Johnson and half the Canadian parliament, who imposed lockdowns on us peons while they ignored the "incredibly grave danger" we were all supposedly in.

Dr. Jay Varma fired from current job after COVID-era sex party admission - CBS New York (cbsnews.com)

Jay Varma, NYC Public Health official, admitted on hidden camera that he, his pediatrician wife, and 8 to 10 others, gathered in a hotel room, took Molly, striped naked, and engaged in a sex party, while NYC schools were closed, shops were locked-down, dying patients were denied hospital visitors, and outdoor funerals were banned under his decree.

It is a mistake to think of Varma as a one off. Instead, he's with the likes of: Gavin Newsom and the French Laundry, Nancy Pelosi and the hair salon, Gretchen Whitmer and the trip to Florida, Neal Fergusson and meeting his mistress, Boris Johnson and Partygate. The list goes on.

Public health officials and politicians used the police state against average citizens, purportedly to slow covid spread; they shut down parks, playgrounds, schools and forced you to mask, while they themselves were in violation of the rules they imposed on others.

Public health in the pandemic meant restrictions for common people, exemptions for elites. Politicians sent their kids to private school while your kids were shut out of public school for 2 years.

The fact officials were privately not worried about COVID, and didn’t think the restrictions mattered is the greatest betrayal, and why trust in public health is dropping by the day.

Via Dr. Vinay Prasad:

Here's the footage of Varma, gloating about how he suckered you all in:

 

The monkeypox vax is shit.  Everybody knows it.  But here's what your Public Health "expert" had to say about it:

Varma says “We also need to keep up the people’s belief that the [TPOXX] drug works. So, that’s why spinning it in the media is helpful.”

In the video, he says he wants the story to be that the earlier trial failed, but not because the drug doesn’t work. In fact, the message should be, we expect a future trial will work, and in the meantime we should be able to sell the drug under emergency use authorization.

WAKE UP.

Infectious disease public health docs use propaganda and lobbying and corruption to sell products!!!

COVID vaccine makers made a lot of money, whether doses went into arms or the trash, and most of them ended up in the trash.

Fuque your fake "experts".

[Goddess]

Which brings me to Ashish Jha, Dean of Brown School of Public Health and advisor to Biden.

Ashish Jha repeatedly pushed Paxlovid on the American public.

Oct 7, 2022:  The Power of Paxlovid - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Jan 2023:

May 2022, he told the LA Times:

July 2023:  (after Biden had already had COVID, multiple boosters, already gotten Paxlovid and was getting it a second time.)

Jha’s policies allowed many young people without risk factors to get Paxlovid. His prediction on deaths averted was based on false assumptions.

Ashish did this while knowing there was no good evidence to support his claims. The positive randomized trial was EPIC-HR. Variants no longer in circulation were circulating then. All participants were unvaccinated. None had a booster. You could not enter if you had previously had COVID. And you had to be at high risk of hospitalization. EPIC HR does not apply to Biden nor to nearly all people whom Jha was pushing Paxlovid upon.

Meanwhile, Jha was aware that a study in vaccinated people EPIC-SR was negative. He knew this years ago.

As time goes on, variants change, natural immunity grows, the data are negative. Jha surely knew this.

Ashish Jha used a media campaign to push paxlovid, just as SigaTech wanted Varma to do with monkeypox vaccines. Ashish exploited the press, and was part of an administration that spent over 10 billion dollars on the drug— without randomized data that it in any way helped people who had already had covid, had vaccines or against prevailing strains, i.e. most of us.

Ashish Jha is just like Jay Varma— a public health figure pushing a corporate product based on propaganda and not science.

Jay Varma admits that SigaTech wanted him to create a media narrative around tecovirimat to approve and sell it, even while randomized trials were ongoing and evidence unclear. Ashish Jha actually DID create a media narrative around a costly pill with horrific drug-drug interactions to millions of Americans when the best data showed it would not help them. He did so because his boss spent billions on the drug, and had political advantage to push it, even if it were nothing better than placebo, in order to reassure his supporters who were still afraid of covid because they created exaggerated fear in young people.

Both Varma and Jha are emblematic of how public health officials sell out. One to advance his salary, the other his professional standing.

Jay Varma is not a one-off. He is emblematic of the root problems in public health.

Reform is desperately needed. 

Again - fuque your fake "experts".

You better start following the ones who are not beholden to Big Pharma and big corporations or they will just continue doing to us what they did for the last 4 years.

It's galling to me how stupid most of you are.

[User]

6 hours ago, Goddess said:

Although I suspect with a bit more knowledge in these areas, you'll understand why your questions are a bit ridiculous.

Its pretty simple. 

You keep claiming all these studies support Ivermectin as a treatment for COVID, but you I ask you to give me just one... the best one you got, and you can't. 

We both know why. 

[Goddess]

Here's another one:

Scott Gottlieb, described in Wikipedia as " an American physician, investor, and author who served as the 23rd commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) from May 2017 until April 2019."

INVESTOR.

Gottleib really went next level on this one, leaving as head of FDA in mid 2019 (in the middle of his term) ,RIGHT BEFORE JOING THE PFIZER BOARD, right before Pfizer launched its most profitable drug in history on the back of dodgy studies, dodgier efficacy, and corner-cutting on safety and monitoring unlike anything ever seen as “emergency use” that was ever  rushed to marked by suppressing alternatives and burying all signs that mRNA vaccines are a disaster.

It got so bad that the heads of the FDA vaccine division quit over it.

The CDC was so compromised they did not even try to monitor the safety signal instead choosing to suppress it.  And don't tell me that isn't true because every time I try to point to VAERS data, you all rush in to tell me it's a crap system that doesn't prove anything.  So don't try defending it now.

In a sane, well intentioned world, you’d think this would lead to some soul searching and institutional cleanup. Nope. Instead it was a dinner bell for more misbehavior. This entire space is one big captured grift.

It’s fully amoral.

They do not care what they are pimping, only that they can scare you and pimp it.

I'm just going to call it:  public health is dead.

This is the swamp RF Kennedy Jr. wants to clean up.

These folks are not public servants, they’re public menaces. They are not in public health to be of service, they are there to serve themselves to the goodies on display at the corruption buffet. They are racking up royalties, book deals, sinecures, speaking fees, and ultimately, big fat private sector jobs and money streams. They are not about protecting you, they are about fleecing you.

Lifestyle is the best long term wellness treatment.

If they cared about your health, they'd ask about it.

If they cared about your health, they’d speak about nutrition and exercise and sleep.

They’d seek to make you healthy, not to push cures for aliments you could address without pharma.

The fact that US public health ignores this near totally and pushes “we got a drug for that!” as a panacea, means they are not the solution, they are the problem and past a point a bad map is far worse than no map at all.

American's health has been declining for decades.

It’s high time these agencies were disbanded.

[Goddess]

11 minutes ago, User said:

I ask you to give me just one... the best one you got, and you can't. 

Again, and for the last time, they're here. 

This forum has a search bar.

Look for them or don't. 

It's entirely up to you and has nothing to do with me.

I've already done my part.

I get that you expect to be spoon-fed by mommy, but.....I ain't your mommy.

[User]

1 minute ago, Goddess said:

Again, and for the last time, they're here. 

This forum has a search bar.

Look for them or don't. 

It's entirely up to you and has nothing to do with me.

I've already done my part.

I get that you expect to be spoon-fed by mommy, but.....I ain't your mommy.

There is 69 pages on here, give me the title of it, I will search for it. 

Has nothing to do with being spoon fed. You are the one making these claims, but you refuse to back them up. 

[Goddess]

15 minutes ago, User said:

We both know why. 

You're embarrassing yourself.  Everyone here knows I've posted extensively on these subjects.

You following me around, demanding I re-post information because you're too lazy (or stupid) to use a search bar, is childish.

If you think you can bully me and push me around because I'm a woman, you can't.

Use the search bar.  Or don't.

[User]

Just now, Goddess said:

You're embarrassing yourself.  Everyone here knows I've posted extensively on these subjects.

You following me around, demanding I re-post information because you're too lazy (or stupid) to use a search bar, is childish.

If you think you can bully me and push me around because I'm a woman, you can't.

Use the search bar.  Or don't.

OMG, you are playing the woman card?

Yeah, you post a lot... you keep saying you have all these studies, but can't tell me the best one you got. I mean, you have responded to me over and over again refusing to do it... when you could just do it. 

We both know why.