myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: Just a thought, don't get angry people... Imagine a trough that is infinite, in volume and depth and a pig at it, controlling the flow of food. Eat, eat more and still more when you're tired of eating only because it's there. No constraints, no challenges no feedback OK slow now OK that would be enough for you. What will happen? Is it so difficult to guess? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 22 minutes ago, myata said: Imagine a trough that is infinite, in volume and depth and a pig at it, controlling the flow of food. Eat, eat more and still more when you're tired of eating only because it's there. No constraints, no challenges no feedback OK slow now OK that would be enough for you. What will happen? Is it so difficult to guess? Huh? Point? Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 Median income in Canada, 2000: $21,600; 2020: 36,600. With a 2% inflation, barely moved; at 2.5% hasn't budged. MP salary in the same period: more than doubled ($90,000, 2000). In modest, third world Argentina (or was Panama?) MP to median income ratio was a modest 4. In G7 Canada, it has to be 6 or even higher ($186,000 is the bare minimum). Question: what does it look like? Like Panama, Columbia, Uruguay or still G7? But wait how do we know that tomorrow it won't get even higher? What's there to see, check and provide feedback? Anything at all? What's there to check and prevent war measures as management of a flu-type epidemic? Do you see anything? One day we may wake up and find out that the democracy is only on the facade and nothing can be controlled or changed, at all. Or wait - would we even know? Like, how would we know? Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 30 minutes ago, myata said: Median income in Canada, 2000: $21,600; 2020: 36,600. With a 2% inflation, barely moved; at 2.5% hasn't budged. MP salary in the same period: more than doubled ($90,000, 2000). In modest, third world Argentina (or was Panama?) MP to median income ratio was a modest 4. In G7 Canada, it has to be 6 or even higher ($186,000 is the bare minimum). Question: what does it look like? Like Panama, Columbia, Uruguay or still G7? But wait how do we know that tomorrow it won't get even higher? What's there to see, check and provide feedback? Anything at all? What's there to check and prevent war measures as management of a flu-type epidemic? Do you see anything? One day we may wake up and find out that the democracy is only on the facade and nothing can be controlled or changed, at all. Or wait - would we even know? Like, how would we know? Median income in all of Canada really tells you nothing. What it costs to live in Bella Cool or Deer Lake Newfoundland or a small town in the prairies or Quebec is quite different than in the GTA or Vancouver. (GTA median is over $78K) What comparisons are you trying to make? Canada to Argentina? Argentina with a 58% inflation rate this year alone? https://tradingeconomics.com/argentina/inflation-cpi Argentine inflation has been 916% since 2000. Their money has devalued 1000% since 2000. https://www.worlddata.info/america/argentina/inflation-rates.php To Panama? With a population of 5 million people? Less than half of Ontario alone? And less than Quebec too. Where the entire economy rests totally on ships going through the Panama Canal? Comparing it to Canada?? Who used a War Measures Act? Oh, another overly dramatic statement. LOL No, I see nothing except someone being a drama queen extraordinaire LOL You have no points and your rectal plucks make no sense. Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
Nationalist Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, ExFlyer said: Are you saying the environment and forests and lakes etc are not yours? (89% of the land and lakes etc are public) Oh? OK. Actually they are not mine. I can buy the land AROUND a lake, but I can't buy the lake. As for the forests, much of our forestry is on lease to huge foresting companies. Same with almost all mining operations. I think the issue here is, some people think that money grows in the Canadian Mint and is just...there. This gross misjudgement of economics, leads such folks to come up with all sorts of nutty ideas like... "Hey! Let's make laws that hamstring the (pick mining operation of choice here) and howl like mad that our very existence is at stake if we don't stop (pick mining operation of choice here)." Except...the simpletons never think past their impression that there will be no financial consequences to this silliness and that no replacement for said (pick mining operation of choice here), is necessary because...we have the Canadian Mint. Unfortunately...every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We who actually think past our own noses, see this and find the suggestion...childish. Thus I suppose to summarize... Our natural resources are not mine...not yours...nor are they cougar's. They are Canada's property. ALL OF US. And a lot of us...don't like the idea of tossing out our old shoes, before we have a new pair to wear. If you don't like forestry, find a reasonable alternative and we'll talk. Until then...those who scream about "their resources"...will be dealt with accordingly. Edited May 13, 2022 by Nationalist 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
ExFlyer Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Actually they are not mine. I can buy the land AROUND a lake, but I can't buy the lake. As for the forests, much of our forestry is on lease to huge foresting companies. Same with almost all mining operations. I think the issue here is, some people think that money grows in the Canadian Mint and is just...there. This gross misjudgement of economics, leads such folks to come up with all sorts of nutty ideas like... "Hey! Let's make laws that hamstring the (pick mining operation of choice here) and howl like mad that our very existence is at stake if we don't stop (pick mining operation of choice here)." Except...the simpletons never think past their impression that there will be no financial consequences to this silliness and that no replacement for said (pick mining operation of choice here), is necessary because...we have the Canadian Mint. Unfortunately...every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We who actually think past our own noses, see this and find the suggestion...childish. Thus I suppose to summarize... Our natural resources are not mine...not yours...nor are they cougar's. They are Canada's property. ALL OF US. And a lot of us...don't like the idea of tossing out our old shoes, before we have a new pair to wear. If you don't like forestry, find a reasonable alternative and we'll talk. Until then...those who scream about "their resources"...will be dealt with accordingly. My point is that it belongs to Canada, which is Canadians, us, the citizens and taxpayers (not necessarily the same people LOL) 1 Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 5 hours ago, myata said: You fail to grasp connections; And then, sky is the limit and future looks bright as ever. That would be true for you, staying focussed on someone's salary for years. "the sky is the limit" unfortunately is a capitalist selling point. You support this society, live with it. Quote
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Unfortunately...every action has an equal and opposite reaction. We who actually think past our own noses, see this and find the suggestion...childish. Thus I suppose to summarize... Our natural resources are not mine...not yours...nor are they cougar's. They are Canada's property. ALL OF US. And a lot of us...don't like the idea of tossing out our old shoes, before we have a new pair to wear. If you don't like forestry, find a reasonable alternative and we'll talk. Until then...those who scream about "their resources"...will be dealt with accordingly. If you buy the land around the lake, the lake is technically yours, because you will be the only person to enjoy it or fish in it. The public has no access any more, unless they fly in. The land given to mining and forestry outfits? Same thing. You can not go in there any more. The forestry or mining outfit will come up with "safety concerns" to keep you out. And you wouldn't want to be there while trees are falling. The land is also damaged and compromised. You want to spend your vacation by a mine's tailings pond, maybe to swim in it and enjoy the scenery and noise??? Can anyone give me the number of acres of land being sold in Canada annually and those that are leased to forestry, mining, oil and gas, whatever? Thinking that you need to sell the forests , lands and all else and damage it to the point it cannot be repaired is indeed not childish, it is complete insanity and totally criminal in nature given you understand what you are doing. What is that thing "Canada's property" ?????? First the word Canada is just a meaningless man created word. Did you ever think there are more than one species on this planet, all of them with inherent property rights????? Because if you have the weapons to deal with them and destroy them, eventually it is you who will be destroyed. Edited May 13, 2022 by cougar Quote
Nationalist Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 29 minutes ago, cougar said: If you buy the land around the lake, the lake is technically yours, because you will be the only person to enjoy it or fish in it. The public has no access any more, unless they fly in. The land given to mining and forestry outfits? Same thing. You can not go in there any more. The forestry or mining outfit will come up with "safety concerns" to keep you out. And you wouldn't want to be there while trees are falling. The land is also damaged and compromised. You want to spend your vacation by a mine's tailings pond, maybe to swim in it and enjoy the scenery and noise??? Can anyone give me the number of acres of land being sold in Canada annually and those that are leased to forestry, mining, oil and gas, whatever? Thinking that you need to sell the forests , lands and all else and damage it to the point it cannot be repaired is indeed not childish, it is complete insanity and totally criminal in nature given you understand what you are doing. What is that thing "Canada's property" ?????? First the word Canada is just a meaningless man created word. Did you ever think there are more than one species on this planet, all of them with inherent property rights????? Because if you have the weapons to deal with them and destroy them, eventually it is you who will be destroyed. Oh Gawd! Were there tears running down your li'l cheekies while you produced this drivel? Look...child...Natural resources is one of the major bases of Canada's economy. Indeed...the entire world's economy. Until you...young-uns are able to produce a reasonable replacement for forestry or any of our resources, we should continue full speed ahead. Forestry happens to be a renewable resource and in fact, the forests are replenished after cutting. Don't live next to a mining operation, harden yourself to the actual realities of life, and get the hell outta the way or be bulldozed. Your choice. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, ExFlyer said: You have no points and I hope you aren't expecting a response because given multiple manifestations there's obviously no point. Of course one can hope that once in a while a rock could produce a different response, but it wouldn't be rational to spend even minuscule time and effort on. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
ExFlyer Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, myata said: I hope you aren't expecting a response because given multiple manifestations there's obviously no point. Of course one can hope that once in a while a rock could produce a different response, but it wouldn't be rational to spend even minuscule time and effort on. Well, you certainly are not a rock as in foundation of truth and respectability. Then again, maybe you are only thick as a rock and when called out, you cannot respond logically nor with facts. Anyway, your post was BS, absurd and, of zero value. If you are going to try and make comparisons, know what you are comparing instead of making shit up. Edited May 13, 2022 by ExFlyer Quote You are entitled to your opinion, but you are not entitled to tell me what mine should be.
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 For a system completely insulated from the feedback from reality there's no limits of inefficiency, uselessness and absurdity it wouldn't reach just because it can. That is an infinite trough. We didn't need to test this obvious truth yet again. Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 58 minutes ago, Nationalist said: .Natural resources is one of the major bases of Canada's economy. Indeed...the entire world's economy. Until you...young-uns are able to produce a reasonable replacement for forestry or any of our resources, we should continue full speed ahead. Forestry happens to be a renewable resource and in fact, the forests are replenished after cutting. Don't live next to a mining operation, harden yourself to the actual realities of life, and get the hell outta the way or be bulldozed. Your choice. "Canada's economy" is another meaningless bullshit term. Natural resources are at the base of our existence and always will be. This does not mean we should strip it all to satisfy a growing world population of locust type people. And, no, the forests are not renewable. Not in our lifetimes anyways. Quote
Nationalist Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 2 hours ago, cougar said: "Canada's economy" is another meaningless bullshit term. Natural resources are at the base of our existence and always will be. This does not mean we should strip it all to satisfy a growing world population of locust type people. And, no, the forests are not renewable. Not in our lifetimes anyways. Canada's economy is a BS term? Ok child. Have a popcycle and go play. Did I say strip it all? No...I did not. Do try to grow up. Forestry resources are renewable.! That anyone over the age of 18 can believe the crap you do...is yet another example of the monumentality of the complete failure of the current Libbie mind. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 8 minutes ago, Nationalist said: Canada's economy is a BS term? Ok child. Have a popcycle and go play. Did I say strip it all? No...I did not. Do try to grow up. Forestry resources are renewable.! That anyone over the age of 18 can believe the crap you do...is yet another example of the monumentality of the complete failure of the current Libbie mind. .....wiping my mouth from the orange popcycle cream...... Go look into the landfills to see how renewable it all is. The soil on the mountain slopes has been built up over millions of year, with the salmon runs, plant and wildlife living and dying. You destroy it, so it is washed in the creek below or goes out to fill up some landfill in China - it will not come back. Salmon are not coming back like they used to either. I suggest we bulldoze you and those like you out of Canada and put you out on Mars to continue your evolution and economy growth there. Quote
Nationalist Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, cougar said: .....wiping my mouth from the orange popcycle cream...... Go look into the landfills to see how renewable it all is. The soil on the mountain slopes has been built up over millions of year, with the salmon runs, plant and wildlife living and dying. You destroy it, so it is washed in the creek below or goes out to fill up some landfill in China - it will not come back. Salmon are not coming back like they used to either. I suggest we bulldoze you and those like you out of Canada and put you out on Mars to continue your evolution and economy growth there. Uhmm...I've seen the salmon run. They're still there. Your attempts to demonize mining and forestry are childish. And destructive. 1 Quote Its so lonely in m'saddle since m'horse died.
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Nationalist said: Uhmm...I've seen the salmon run. They're still there. they are not Quote
Michael Hardner Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 8 hours ago, myata said: OK slow now OK that would be enough for you. What will happen? Is it so difficult to guess? I have no idea what you're trying to say with this analogy. It's disgusting though. Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Michael Hardner said: I have no idea Doubling themselves the base salary (and then more) as the population incomes stagnated wouldn't ring any bells? That's a symptom too. 1 Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
Michael Hardner Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 6 minutes ago, myata said: Doubling themselves the base salary (and then more) as the population incomes stagnated wouldn't ring any bells? That's a symptom too. You're taking about MPs. I think that the board discussed it and pay was similar to fifty years ago. 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
Michael Hardner Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: You're taking about MPs. I think that the board discussed it and pay was similar to fifty years ago. Yep. And we showed you how it works, but you kept going and then my Ignore List ate you. Sad day for us all, but my understanding was that you were particularly broken up over it 1 Quote Looks like someone has a new patronizing catch phrase ! Michael Hardner
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: You're taking about MPs. Wow, the insight. 12 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: I think that the board discussed No in-depth board discussions needed because it's just two numbers, then and now. Anyone can take their first paycheck back then and compare with a buddy who just starting now. Will the result be the same, or anywhere near? The intrigue! (for someone in my line of work the increase was 8-10%). Edited May 13, 2022 by myata Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Sad day for us all, but my understanding was that you were particularly broken up over it Can you change his username from "myata" to "MP whacker" and add the appropriate avatar and line to appear at the bottom of each post, something reading "Down with those pigs at the trough with their $186K (minimum) salaries !" This would have saved the forum member a lot of time typing the same stuff over and over. Quote
myata Posted May 13, 2022 Author Report Posted May 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, cougar said: Can you change his username from No slave like a happy slave. Good luck (and you'll need it). Quote If it's you or them, the truth is equidistant
cougar Posted May 13, 2022 Report Posted May 13, 2022 14 minutes ago, myata said: No slave like a happy slave. Good luck (and you'll need it). If you can be happy, you are not a slave. You are only a slave of your toxic thoughts. Quote
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