The Lie of Economic Impact from Border Blockade Debunked

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

They would not want you for long anyway.

Whaaat, the Queen did not thank you ? LOL

Anyone in NDHQ would not know or care who you are, you were only a corporal peon. They cared about leaders and leadership potential.

Spent 25 years flying in SAR. Did my time in NDHQ after and proud of that too.

Her Majesty did pay me a compliment actually

on parade for the Queen, she stopped and spoke to me

she asked me "how are finding the infantry, Corporal ?"

I replied "it's an honour & privilege to serve,  maam"

she said, "very good, Corporal" and smiled at me, then moved on down the line

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You have no right or authority to speak on behalf of anyone but yourself let alone the Queen or a regiment you quit on decades ago.

come and say it to my face

come down to the infantry mess and parade about with the routine you put on here as a sock puppet troll

we will sort you out, coward

[ExFlyer]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

come and say it to my face

come down to the infantry mess and parade about with the routine you put on here as a sock puppet troll

we will sort you out, coward

You are a pompous person if you really think you can speak on behalf of a regiment you bailed out on decades ago.

Far too full of yourself. Don't hurt your arm sitting in the junior ranks  corporals club and patting yourself on the back. If you were 1/4 of what you brag about, you would have been far more then what you ended up being.

Calling me a coward is your feeble attempt at trying to make yourself sound like you were someone. I stayed and made a career, you bailed.

All you can do is post on and on and on about your pitifully short time as a low ranking grunt. Not even good enough for your superiors to promote you.

Edited May 6, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

You are a pompous person if you really think you can speak on behalf of a regiment you bailed out on decades ago.

Far too full of yourself. Don't hurt your arm sitting in the junior ranks  corporals club and patting yourself on the back. If you were 1/4 of what you brag about, you would have been far more then what you ended up being.

Calling me a coward is your feeble attempt at trying to make yourself sound like you were someone. I stayed and made a career, you bailed.

All you can do is post on and on and on about your pitifully short time as a low ranking grunt. Not even good enough for your superiors to promote you.

you're an anonymous avatar sock puppet troll for a reason

you're going around the internet calling other NCO's "peons"

bring your shit off the internet to the mess, we dare you

[Dougie93]

8 hours ago, ExFlyer said:

Retired military and still member of the mess and several military associations.

which mess ?

which associations ?

 

[ExFlyer]

12 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

you're an anonymous avatar sock puppet troll for a reason

you're going around the internet calling other NCO's "peons"

bring your shit off the internet to the mess, we dare you

Nope, never called "other" NCO's peons. NCO's are the backbone of the military.  I  was a corporal too. I just called you a peon.

You seem to be just a little man living in a past he thinks was glorious. Thinking he was way more than he actually was. Like an old guy sitting in a pub with a beer embellishing his very small stint in uniform. In fact, you were just a junior soldier not suited for leadership or promotion so, you bailed out. If your RSM would see and hear you now he would tell you to sit down and shut up.

I do not need to defend myself to you as you would only besmirch anyone in uniform that served their country as opposed to the queen you claim to have served.

I read your posts. Rarely and I mean rarely , if ever do they have anything to do with the topic. (such as all your blathering in this thread about The Lie of Economic Impact from Border Blockade Debunked, you have said noting to contribute to the thread). Your posts are full of yourself, the queen and some sort of useless video. Maybe, just maybe you can stop with your self serving diatribes and get on and stay on topic for once.

Edited May 7, 2022 by ExFlyer

[ExFlyer]

11 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

which mess ?

which associations ?

 

Not that it makes an difference at all but any Snr NCO and Chiefs mess on any base in this country, any Royal Canadian Legion. Air Force Association of Canada, NATO Veterans Association of Canada

[Michael Hardner]

22 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

such as all your blathering in this thread about The Lie of Economic Impact from Border Blockade Debunked 

I do want to point out that - although 'lie' is unprovable - there is at the core here perhaps a legitimate complaint about the economic impact reporting.   Since the OP has at least given us a source to look at who is making a claim and what it is, it's worth looking at.

Looking back at the wording of the reporting from February, I see lots of complaints about "potential" losses and "delays"   Not as easy to find a prediction of actual losses.  Auto Industry folks who deal in just-in-time manufacturing and know the real numbers hour to hour had the most specific - and it looks like accurate also - numbers.

Now our friend West in the OP says  "This time the lie about the "billions of dollars" the border blockades caused during the alleged border blockades. "  His sentence is incomplete, and as such makes no sense - the billions of dollars the border blockades caused ?  Blockades cause dollars ?  I think he meant to say delayed or lost trade but what is his claim here ?  That the media/economists were claiming losses ?  Or delays ?

Let's look at what the details say from the Global News (note the use of a legitimate source here) article he sources: 

"A February analysis by the Anderson Economic Group estimated the combined loss to auto industry workers and investors at $375 million."

And articles of the time that talk to analysts are pretty specific on numbers.  Here's the FP article detailing production impacts:

"Flavio Volpé, head of the Automotive Parts Manufacturer’s Association, said his members have lost a week’s worth of production that they will not be able to make up. “There are a finite number of shifts and a specific volume of cars that are scheduled for a year. So, a factory that was going to make 300,000 cars this year will make 295,000 cars this year,” he said."

https://financialpost.com/news/how-the-ambassador-bridge-blockade-hit-canadas-economy-and-our-reputation

So there were real losses to workers and auto companies from that blockade, but other types of trade continued.

Here's an estimate from February that said $300M in losses.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2022/02/15/ambassador-bridge-blockade-caused-nearly-300-m-losses/6789134001/

So that was accurate.  The scare word is 'potential'.  When the media starts saying "potential" then anything goes.

So at the core is a legitimate complaint, I think.  The reporting could have framed what was happening better and used fewer scare words.

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In the era where people can't agree on facts, we are at risk of not being able to work out differences between people.  So it's best to encourage rational discussion and - OBJECTIVITY.  So look for some good methods and well-sourced facts in the arguments of people you disagree with ExFlyer and promote those.

 

[Dougie93]

49 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

If your RSM would see and hear you now he would tell you to sit down and shut up.

well, there's no rank on civvy street, so I doubt the RSM of my regiment would be so foolish

but he's one of my closest friends, and has been for over thirty years

the brotherhood is about the regiment, the corps, and the Queen

that doesn't extend to DND, the government, nor the Confederation

he's fully aware that I say Canada is a failed state which is destroying its own institutions

particularly destroying it's military in the name of the Liberal Party of Canada Post National State

we've never quarreled about it

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

I do not need to defend myself to you as you would only besmirch anyone in uniform that served their country as opposed to the queen you claim to have served.

I am not attacking you, I don't initiate conflicts with you

you are a sock puppet troll coming onto to this forum attacking the members in every single thread

I just point out that it is cowardly to go around attacking people's reputations as an anonymous avatar

if you want to pull rank, say who you are, as you have no authority as a sock puppet troll

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

Not that it makes an difference at all but any Snr NCO and Chiefs mess on any base in this country, any Royal Canadian Legion. Air Force Association of Canada, NATO Veterans Association of Canada

the Legion has nothing to do with the military, it's a private club

how can you be a NATO veteran if you were RCAF SAR ?

RCAF SAR is not combat arms, it's an entirely domestic tasking not deployable to be activated for NATO

[ExFlyer]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I am not attacking you, I don't initiate conflicts with you

you are a sock puppet troll coming onto to this forum attacking the members in every single thread

I just point out that it is cowardly to go around attacking people's reputations as an anonymous avatar

if you want to pull rank, say who you are, as you have no authority as a sock puppet troll

Not attacking yet you contradict yourself LOL

[Dougie93]

1 hour ago, ExFlyer said:

You seem to be just a little man living in a past he thinks was glorious. Thinking he was way more than he actually was. Like an old guy sitting in a pub with a beer embellishing his very small stint in uniform. In fact, you were just a junior soldier not suited for leadership or promotion so, you bailed out.

I make no claims to glory, I've said that I was just an average infantryman, nothing special at all

I had no aspirations to be of senior rank, I was happy to be just another face in the ranks of the regiment

it wasn't a career to me, it was an adventure, a brotherhood

I don't see how I "bailed out" having served 16 years

I didn't turn in my kit because I was not promoted, I preferred to be with the junior ranks

the matter was simply that the Liberals destroyed the military in the 1990's

so at the end of that so called Decade of Darkness, I simply moved on, as I no longer had any faith in the institution

[Michael Hardner]

On 4/28/2022 at 8:05 AM, Dougie93 said:

1. ah, but we are witnessing the breakdown of civil society itself

2. the left in Canada is attempting a coup de'tat, attempting to criminalize their political opponents

3. history shows the trajectory where this is going.

4. once you have an Allende trying to seize power, Pinochet will come in the wake,  inevitably

5. ultimately the right will prevail over the left in America, then the American right will have to impose a dictatorship in Canada, anyone who opposes the government then will be designated as a "terrorist", then they can either be interned indefinitely in an extra judicial black hole and/or targeted for assassination

1. You are angry with the government and emotionally invested in the convoy so you're not looking at objective facts.  People you talk to support your idea so you believe them but the large majority of Canadians weren't supportive of blockades.

2. There's nothing objectively that says we are even close to beginning a coup d'etat.  All of our institutions are in place.  Rhetoric is rhetoric and by calling Liberals 'the left' you are using rhetoric yourself.  It's fine but we all see if for what it is.

3. See #2

4. Pincochet did a Coup d'etat.  He deposed a democratically elected government, imposed dictatorship and murdered and tortured his own citizens, kidnapped children from their parents and gave them to his loyalists.  It seems to me that you are excusing this.

5. You seem to have a dream that this will happen.  And your lack of principle shows, if so, in that you are making claims that "the left" [sic] are doing this undemocratically and unfairly and simultaneously anticipate "the right" doing this as a favourable result.


 

[ExFlyer]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

the Legion has nothing to do with the military, it's a private club

how can you be a NATO veteran if you were RCAF SAR ?

RCAF SAR is not combat arms, it's an entirely domestic tasking not deployable to be activated for NATO

You asked "

which mess ?

which associations ?"

I answered.

Oh and I did a deployment on a Navy ship (Halifax) during NATO exercises.

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Not attacking yet you contradict yourself LOL

it's not an attack, merely a description

what you are doing, on an internet forum, is called being a "sock puppet troll"

that's just the vernacular of the internet

[ExFlyer]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I make no claims to glory, I've said that I was just an average infantryman, nothing special at all

I had no aspirations to be of senior rank, I was happy to be just another face in the ranks of the regiment

it wasn't a career to me, it was an adventure, a brotherhood

I don't see how I "bailed out" having served 16 years

I didn't turn in my kit because I was not promoted, I preferred to be with the junior ranks

the matter was simply that the Liberals destroyed the military in the 1990's

so at the end of that so called Decade of Darkness, I simply moved on, as I no longer had any faith in the institution

Yes, after 16 years in the second lowest rank, without any one of your supervisors putting you up for promotion, you saw your were getting nowhere so you pulled the plug.

I would too. Resizing no one thought you were good enough to lead, why carry on.

"I preferred to be with the junior ranks:" says everyone stuck in the bottom LOL

Cop out you blaming the liberals for your disenchantment LOL

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Oh and I did a deployment on a Navy ship (Halifax) during NATO exercises.

wait

you accuse me of "embellishing" my service record

then you claim this is as being activated for NATO operations ?

yeah, okay, sure

[ExFlyer]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

it's not an attack, merely a description

what you are doing, on an internet forum, is called being a "sock puppet troll"

that's just the vernacular of the internet

OK then, my depiction of you is merely a description then as well.

That is just an opinion from reading your posts.

Carry on being a junior rank but live today not some long forgotten failed past.

[ExFlyer]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

wait

you accuse me of "embellishing" my service record

then you claim this is as being activated for NATO operations ?

yeah, okay, sure

No, I said I was "deployed on a NATO exercise". Happens when you are helicopter crew in the military. Never did tac hel deployment thank goodness.

Don't know as much as you thought eh

Time for me to give it a rest with you, a life long junior soldier. Coulda been so much more but hey, some folks are not cut out to be leaders and the world needs followers.

Edited May 7, 2022 by ExFlyer

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, ExFlyer said:

No, I said I was "deployed on a NATO exercise". Happens when you are helicopter crew in the military. Never did tac hel deployment thank goodness.

Don't know as much as you thought eh

I would say you are embellishing

Army Guy served with NATO in the Balkans & Afghanistan

that's a NATO veteran

being attached for an exercise is not activated for NATO

units are activated for NATO service under SHAPE, but not for exercise

[Dougie93]

10 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

Time for me to give it a rest with you, a life long junior soldier. Coulda been so much more but hey, some folks are not cut out to be leaders and the world needs followers.

you're the only person I have ever encountered who has decried me for being a "lowly peon Master Corporal"

it's honestly bizarre, and I don't think it does you any credit

[Dougie93]

18 minutes ago, ExFlyer said:

That is just an opinion from reading your posts.

 I don't think your opinion carries much weight

I would say that my opinions are far more influential

[Dougie93]

42 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. You are angry with the government and emotionally invested in the convoy so you're not looking at objective facts.  People you talk to support your idea so you believe them but the large majority of Canadians weren't supportive of blockades.

2. There's nothing objectively that says we are even close to beginning a coup d'etat.  All of our institutions are in place.  Rhetoric is rhetoric and by calling Liberals 'the left' you are using rhetoric yourself.  It's fine but we all see if for what it is.

3. See #2

4. Pincochet did a Coup d'etat.  He deposed a democratically elected government, imposed dictatorship and murdered and tortured his own citizens, kidnapped children from their parents and gave them to his loyalists.  It seems to me that you are excusing this.

5. You seem to have a dream that this will happen.  And your lack of principle shows, if so, in that you are making claims that "the left" [sic] are doing this undemocratically and unfairly and simultaneously anticipate "the right" doing this as a favourable result.
 

1. it's not anger, merely contempt for egregiously bad governance.  in terms of the convoy, I support Veterans for Freedom Canada, and we support the truckers

2. coup de'tat come in many forms, to include usurping the power of the monarch for nefarious purposes

3. see # 2

4. Pinochet was actually Allende's right hand man, Allende empowered Pinochet, then Pinochet turned on him

5. I merely extrapolate the trajectory, in that a right wing counterrevolution is inevitable

 

Edited May 7, 2022 by Dougie93

[Michael Hardner]

7 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

1. it's not anger, merely contempt.  I support Veterans for Freedom Canada, and we support the truckers

2. coup de'tat come in many forms, to include usurping the power of the monarch for nefarious purposes

3. see # 2

4. Pinochet was actually Allende's right hand man, Allende empowered Pinochet, then Pinochet turned on him

5. I merely extrapolate the trajectory, in that a right wing counterrevolution is inevitable

 

1. Ok
2. 3. But since there are no actual changes to government and such, it's merely a suspicion on your part.  No election legislation or process has been changed by anyone, and government continues to function so nobody knows what you are talking about.
4. Interesting side fact I guess.
5. Your assessment seems clouded by your subjectivity and contempt for current situation.  Wait it out a bit and Trudeau will be done.... by the usual proven means.