Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 20 hours ago, West said: Moonbox seems to side with the ethnic cleaning by radical nazi groups in Eastern Ukraine. Sad Where did I say that? Moral equivalency is Totalitarian Propaganda 101. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Where did I say that? Moral equivalency is Totalitarian Propaganda 101. By siding with the Ukraine without asking any questions. Your Supreme leader Freeland was photographed holding a banner of a pro nazi group in the Ukraine. Standing with the swastika. Sad Quote
Michael Hardner Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 9 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Moral equivalency is Totalitarian Propaganda 101. Agreed. We should compile a list of basic discussion lessons that the turds on here need to read. Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 14 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said: Agreed. We should compile a list of basic discussion lessons that the turds on here need to read. Coming from a guy who said all 2 million people in the trucker's protest stood with the swastika ? 1 Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 Did he say that actually West, or are you just bullshitting more? ? Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
Michael Hardner Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Did he say that actually West, or are you just bullshitting more? ? No, nor did he say 2 million people are in the Convoy. It's fantasy bullshit-making. It's ok to engage with these people if we're bored and there's nothing on YouTube though... 1 Quote Click to learn why Climate Change is caused by HUMANS Michael Hardner
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 4 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Did he say that actually West, or are you just bullshitting more? ? Seems to love Trudeau ?. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 39 minutes ago, West said: By siding with the Ukraine without asking any questions. Ukraine didn't invade Russia, nor did they follow Nazi justification protocol for annexing Crimea and Luhansk/Donbass (100% parallel to Sudetenland). 39 minutes ago, West said: Your Supreme leader Freeland was photographed holding a banner of a pro nazi group in the Ukraine. Standing with the swastika. Sad No, she was photographed with a red and black scarf that said "Glory to Ukraine", and she probably had no idea that it was linked to resistance movements in Ukraine going back to WW2 and that far-right extremists in Ukraine like to use it. At worst this was a gaffe, but for someone who cried endlessly about media reports of far-right extremism among the Truckers Protest, this is a pathetic example of your hypocrisy and the mental gymnastics you'll do to rationalize things you like vs things you don't like. Worse, however, is that you're actually spending your time making excuses for a regime run by a criminals that regularly murders its opposition leadership, that has almost fully banned independent media and that has made criticizing the war in Ukraine a criminal offense. Now they've invaded a sovereign nation that demonstrably doesn't want them there and you're slurping Russian propaganda from telegram and the garbage-web and repeating it back to us. The wretched coping and rationalizing you have to do call Freeland a fascist while apologizing for Putin is shameful. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 6 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Ukraine didn't invade Russia, nor did they follow Nazi justification protocol for annexing Crimea and Luhansk/Donbass (100% parallel to Sudetenland). No, she was photographed with a red and black scarf that said "Glory to Ukraine", and she probably had no idea that it was linked to resistance movements in Ukraine going back to WW2 and that far-right extremists in Ukraine like to use it. At worst this was a gaffe, but for someone who cried endlessly about media reports of far-right extremism among the Truckers Protest, this is a pathetic example of your hypocrisy and the mental gymnastics you'll do to rationalize things you like vs things you don't like. Worse, however, is that you're actually spending your time making excuses for a regime run by a criminals that regularly murders its opposition leadership, that has almost fully banned independent media and that has made criticizing the war in Ukraine a criminal offense. Now they've invaded a sovereign nation that demonstrably doesn't want them there and you're slurping Russian propaganda from telegram and the garbage-web and repeating it back to us. The wretched coping and rationalizing you have to do call Freeland a fascist while apologizing for Putin is shameful. Yes I'm sure it was all a big misunderstanding. If you say so. The Ukrainian government does back the militia groups carrying out ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine. And apologizing for Putin? No sir I've already said both sides are whacky. Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 15 minutes ago, West said: Yes I'm sure it was all a big misunderstanding. If you say so. Usually the simplest explanation is the right one, rather than nonsensical conspiracy theories. The idea that Freeland is purposely waving around Nazi symbols is so stupid and begs so many questions it's worth nothing but eyerolls, but it's what you want to believe so you'll move Mountains in your brain to have it somehow make sense to you. 15 minutes ago, West said: The Ukrainian government does back the militia groups carrying out ethnic cleansing in Eastern Ukraine. yet it's the separatists in these regions being criticized in the UN for their persecution of Roma people, Crimean Tatars etc. The fighting in these areas has no doubt turned ugly and war crimes are committed by both sides by, but in terms of ethnic cleansing, the criticism has been on Russian-backed separatists. That is, of course, unless you're following state Russian media and propaganda, which seems to be what you're doing. 15 minutes ago, West said: And apologizing for Putin? No sir I've already said both sides are whacky. Wow! Such useful commentary! Unfortunately, the rest of your posts on this matter are decidedly anti-Ukraine and speak for themselves. It's pathetic and disgraceful. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
AsksWhy Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) I'm curious to read what people think about the WEF and their influence on this Canadian government. How have so many alumni from the WEF Young Leaders Program penetrated our Cabinet, and what does this mean for Canadian policy moving forward? What does this mean for Canadians in general? Edited March 7, 2022 by AsksWhy 1 Quote
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, Moonbox said: Usually the simplest explanation is the right one, rather than nonsensical conspiracy theories. The idea that Freeland is purposely waving around Nazi symbols is so stupid and begs so many questions it's worth nothing but eyerolls, but it's what you want to believe so you'll move Mountains in your brain to have it somehow make sense to you. yet it's the separatists in these regions being criticized in the UN for their persecution of Roma people, Crimean Tatars etc. The fighting in these areas has no doubt turned ugly and war crimes are committed by both sides by, but in terms of ethnic cleansing, the criticism has been on Russian-backed separatists. That is, of course, unless you're following state Russian media and propaganda, which seems to be what you're doing. Wow! Such useful commentary! Unfortunately, the rest of your posts on this matter are decidedly anti-Ukraine and speak for themselves. It's pathetic and disgraceful. 1. Freeland and her cronies criticized the Conservatives for "standing with the Swastika" one one guy out of several hundred thousand (million?) flew a nazi flag. Only fair she's held to the standard she set. 2. Not sure I trust the UN any more than I trust Trudeau. 3. No just pointing out that there's two sides to the dispute. I have friends in Ukraine and feel bad for the average person getting caught up in a fight that could be avoided. Just don't think the Ukraine is 100% innocent Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 1 hour ago, Moonbox said: Ukraine didn't invade Russia, nor did they follow Nazi justification protocol for annexing Crimea and Luhansk/Donbass (100% parallel to Sudetenland). No, she was photographed with a red and black scarf that said "Glory to Ukraine", and she probably had no idea that it was linked to resistance movements in Ukraine going back to WW2 and that far-right extremists in Ukraine like to use it. At worst this was a gaffe, but for someone who cried endlessly about media reports of far-right extremism among the Truckers Protest, this is a pathetic example of your hypocrisy and the mental gymnastics you'll do to rationalize things you like vs things you don't like. Worse, however, is that you're actually spending your time making excuses for a regime run by a criminals that regularly murders its opposition leadership, that has almost fully banned independent media and that has made criticizing the war in Ukraine a criminal offense. Now they've invaded a sovereign nation that demonstrably doesn't want them there and you're slurping Russian propaganda from telegram and the garbage-web and repeating it back to us. The wretched coping and rationalizing you have to do call Freeland a fascist while apologizing for Putin is shameful. She’s well aware of its significance. Quote
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: She’s well aware of its significance. Taking after her grandpappy Quote
AsksWhy Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 On 3/4/2022 at 5:01 PM, West said: Continuation from the other thread at the request of Charles Anthony: I'm interested in this "other thread". Where can I find it? Quote
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 1. What do I think? Whether it's signing on to these globalist agreements through the UN or having Schwab penetrate our cabinet, it takes away accountability to the Canadian people and puts foreigners in charge of influencing policy. 2. What it means going forward? Less individual protections against employers, more race based hiring, the yacht class telling the rest of us to stay home, and less control over your own affairs. Threats by business and the government such as the vaccine scam. Basically a form of corporate fascism backed by legislation. An erosion of individual rights such as bodily autonomy to corporations. Edited March 7, 2022 by West Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, West said: 1. Freeland and her cronies criticized the Conservatives for "standing with the Swastika" one one guy out of several hundred thousand (million?) flew a nazi flag. Only fair she's held to the standard she set. Or you could be an adult and acknowledge that both are stupid claims. The "you did it first" argument is kindergarten logic. 20 minutes ago, West said: 2. Not sure I trust the UN any more than I trust Trudeau. but you trust Russian state media. Brilliant. ? 23 minutes ago, West said: 3. No just pointing out that there's two sides to the dispute. I have friends in Ukraine and feel bad for the average person getting caught up in a fight that could be avoided. Just don't think the Ukraine is 100% innocent There's two sides? REALLY!? It's kind of hard to have a dispute without two sides, so thank you for that brilliant insight. Nobody said that Ukraine is 100% innocent. I'm fully aware that Ukraine has right-wing extremists fighting in Donbass-Luhansk and that their government has proven dysfunctional and corrupt over the last 15-20 years. The reality, however, is that whatever issues they have don't excuse a Russian invasion, and they absolutely pale in comparison to Putin's abysmal record of human rights abuses (both foreign and domestic), the atrocities committed by his regime in places like Grozsny as well as everything going on in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. His claims of "genocide" by Ukrainian forces are a gross distortion of reality attempting to victim-blame Ukrainians, whilst shifting focus away from his own crimes. Outside of the Russian state media apparatus (or shameful apologists swallowing its propaganda abroad), everyone sees it for the sad joke that it is. 1 Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Or you could be an adult and acknowledge that both are stupid claims. The "you did it first" argument is kindergarten logic. but you trust Russian state media. Brilliant. ? There's two sides? REALLY!? It's kind of hard to have a dispute without two sides, so thank you for that brilliant insight. Nobody said that Ukraine is 100% innocent. I'm fully aware that Ukraine has right-wing extremists fighting in Donbass-Luhansk and that their government has proven dysfunctional and corrupt over the last 15-20 years. The reality, however, is that whatever issues they have don't excuse a Russian invasion, and they absolutely pale in comparison to Putin's abysmal record of human rights abuses (both foreign and domestic), the atrocities committed by his regime in places like Grozsny as well as everything going on in Eastern Ukraine and Crimea. His claims of "genocide" by Ukrainian forces are a gross distortion of reality attempting to victim-blame Ukrainians, whilst shifting focus away from his own crimes. Outside of the Russian state media apparatus (or shameful apologists swallowing its propaganda abroad), everyone sees it for the sad joke that it is. 1. Not at all. Trudeau and Freeland went off for three weeks, calling people names, and imprisoning protesters. She's a vile lady and deserves to be called out for standing with extremists because she is one. 2. Trust is a strong word. I dont trust any media. Not Russian and not Canadian state media. 3. How do they "pale in comparison"? My understanding is the Ukrainians are committing genocide against certain people groups along the Russian border. You don't hear about that in Western media. Kinda shooting the messenger here for bringing it it... Edited March 7, 2022 by West Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 I don’t think anyone on this forum is unsympathetic to the Ukrainian people. Invading Ukraine is over the top and must end. It’s important to know what motivated Putin to make this move rather than jumping to the low resolution “Putin is a psychopath” rage, because it doesn’t provide a resolution. Quote
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: I don’t think anyone on this forum is unsympathetic to the Ukrainian people. Invading Ukraine is over the top and must end. It’s important to know what motivated Putin to make this move rather than jumping to the low resolution “Putin is a psychopath” rage, because it doesn’t provide a resolution. Exactly. The media feeds you little info then when you dig in more to understand the conflict, you are called a Putin sympathizer. The level of debate in this country .. Quote
Zeitgeist Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 5 minutes ago, West said: Exactly. The media feeds you little info then when you dig in more to understand the conflict, you are called a Putin sympathizer. The level of debate in this country .. There’s no debate. The opposition is always racist-fringe-Nazi with “unacceptable views”. Quote
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 20 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: There’s no debate. The opposition is always racist-fringe-Nazi with “unacceptable views”. Yet when they hold pro nazi banners this is fine Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 30 minutes ago, West said: 1. Not at all. Trudeau and Freeland went off for three weeks, calling people names, and imprisoning protesters. She's a vile lady and deserves to be called out for standing with extremists because she is one. Uh huh. That's a mighty fine self-serving bias you got there ser. 30 minutes ago, West said: 2. Trust is a strong word. I dont trust any media. Not Russian and not Canadian state media. but you continue to repeat Russian propaganda claims. 30 minutes ago, West said: 3. How do they "pale in comparison"? My understanding is the Ukrainians are committing genocide against certain people groups along the Russian border. Where are you getting that from exactly? Can you compare that to the devastation of Grozsny? Your "understanding" is based on your careful filtering of information to suit your biases. Your attempts at moral equivalency would lead you to believe Trudeau arresting protestors occupying Ottawa for weeks is (give or take a few war crimes) pretty much the same thing as the Russian Federation flattening rebel cities, murdering opposition leaders and flat out banning independent media in Russia. Same thing, yup. For sure! Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
West Posted March 7, 2022 Author Report Posted March 7, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Moonbox said: Uh huh. That's a mighty fine self-serving bias you got there ser. but you continue to repeat Russian propaganda claims. Where are you getting that from exactly? Can you compare that to the devastation of Grozsny? Your "understanding" is based on your careful filtering of information to suit your biases. Your attempts at moral equivalency would lead you to believe Trudeau arresting protestors occupying Ottawa for weeks is (give or take a few war crimes) pretty much the same thing as the Russian Federation flattening rebel cities, murdering opposition leaders and flat out banning independent media in Russia. Same thing, yup. For sure! 1. ?. Well it is my opinion based on facts that Freeland has no business in government and standing behind a neo nazi banner is unbecoming of a woman in a position of authority. 2. Russian propaganda according to who? Saw the CTV yelling "Russian propaganda" any time someone tries to understand the full picture..maybe you are spreading globalist propaganda? 3. No "equivalency" noted lol. Ones committing genocide. The other is shooting rockets. All are part of the same conflict. None of its good. If you are fine with genocide because they don't have the same views as you, I question your morality. Don't know why we all have to jump on board the Ukraine train lol.. last time we acted out of emotion the west spent trillions of dollars in the middle east, many civilian and military casualties and we destabilized a region to the point where they were carrying out terrorist attacks every other week in Europe and the US. Edited March 7, 2022 by West Quote
Moonbox Posted March 7, 2022 Report Posted March 7, 2022 1 minute ago, West said: 1. ?. Well it is my opinion based on facts that Freeland has no business in government. Considering your "facts" are just your own rabid conclusions and opinions, that's really circular logic ? 1 minute ago, West said: 2. Russian propaganda according to who? Saw the CTV yelling "Russian propaganda" any time someone tries to understand the full picture..maybe you are spreading globalist propaganda? Yeah maybe I'm spreading "globalist propaganda". Let's consider who's more likely to be lying: 1) Russia, the invading country run by a 20-year despot whose opponents have a habit of being gunned down on the streets or being mysteriously poisoned by radioactive and/or nerve agents or 2) The entirety of the rest of the world, outside of Russia and beacons of freedom like China and North Korea. THIS is the central delusion of your demented world views. 11 minutes ago, West said: 3. No "equivalency" noted lol. Ones committing genocide. The other is shooting rockets. All are part of the same conflict. If you are fine with genocide because they don't have the same views as you, I question your morality. LOL! Like I said, if you're following Russian State media - I'm sure you could believe what you're saying there. It's a pathetic revelation of your state of mind though. When you're coping so badly with reality that Vladimir Putin is trustworthy but the rest of the world media (from Fox News, Al Jazeera, the BBC, Turkish News etc and all the way back to Canada) is all lying. Quote "A man is no more entitled to an opinion for which he cannot account than he is for a pint of beer for which he cannot pay" - Anonymous
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