Trucker's Convoy

[Zeitgeist]

32 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I would agree that it is all interalated

the collapse of the West has brought NATO down with it

with a paper tiger NATO no longer deterring them

a Crazy Ivan Klepto Kremlin has gone off the deep end

the part where I diverge tho

is the idea that Putin is still in control

and that he can halt this somehow

because UkraiNATO is not just sitting still if Russia retreats

Ukraine is fully mobilized for total war

if Russia starts to retreat, Ukraine goes on the attack

to include taking Crimea back

so I would submit, the Rubicon is crossed

zero sum game, one side or the other has to win now

there is no longer any middle ground, this is for all the marbles now

war of national survival, for both regimes, Ukraine, and Russia too

I wonder if Russia will retreat to and hold the two eastern regions that Putin wanted to recognize as independent.  

Edited February 28, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I wonder if Russia will retreat to and hold the two eastern regions that Putin wanted to recognize as independent.  

you think Ukraine is stopping now that they have a fully mobilized for war nation at their disposal ?

the Ukrainians are not going to stop at taking the Donbass back, they will try to take Crimea back too now

that being said, the idea that the Russians are already defeated, seems premature

they haven't deployed but a small fraction of their full war fighting power yet

[Zeitgeist]

41 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

you think Ukraine is stopping now that they have a fully mobilized for war nation at their disposal ?

the Ukrainians are not going to stop at taking the Donbass back, they will try to take Crimea back too now

that being said, the idea that the Russians are already defeated, seems premature

they haven't deployed but a small fraction of their full war fighting power yet

If they had something in their legislation that allows regions to vote for independence, to remain in Ukraine, or to join Russia, the Russian forces could make a deal and promise to the west that would allow the Donbass to decide its fate.     

Edited February 28, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

39 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

If they had something in their legislation that allows regions to vote for independence, to remain in Ukraine, or to join Russia, the Russian forces could make a deal and promise to the west that would allow the Donbass to decide its fate.     

I suspect the Ukrainians are not doing as well as the Western media is trying to make out

the Russians certainly have some logistical problems

but more troops just keep flooding in

and they have such a massive firepower advantage

that they are muscling through, grinding on towards Kiev

it's just the two big cities, Kiev & Kharkiv, where they are getting slowed to a halt

the Russians do appear to be making grinding but steady progress overall tho

4 of the 5 axes of advance have driven quite deep into Ukraine, and getting close to linking up

so the noose is tightening on Kiev

except for the 1 axes to the east, at Kharkiv, at the Russian border

that is the big fight, and reportedly it is desperate & vicious

the Ukrainian civilians that are being interviewed

they are increasingly grim in visage and outlook

there was like a rush of esprit in the opening days, rally to the colours

but now they have thousand yard stares, doom approacheth

the Ukrainians handed AK's out willy nilly

but instead of fighting the Russians,

there are now roving gangs of heavily armed men committing crimes with the AK's

this is literally descending rapidly into hell on earth

Russian speaking Ukrainians now live in fear of the roving mobs of armed men coming after them

it is just like World War Two, except on steroids at a faster pace

but it does look like the two big cities will get encircled

and then it's going to be the sieges of Kiev & Kharkiv, like the sieges of Moscow & Leningrad

there is a huge continuous column coming down the main route from Belarus heading for Kiev

 

[Zeitgeist]

38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I suspect the Ukrainians are not doing as well as the Western media is trying to make out

the Russians certainly have some logistical problems

but more troops just keep flooding in

and they have such a massive firepower advantage

that they are muscling through, grinding on towards Kiev

it's just the two big cities, Kiev & Kharkiv, where they are getting slowed to a halt

the Russians do appear to be making grinding but steady progress overall tho

4 of the 5 axes of advance have driven quite deep into Ukraine, and getting close to linking up

so the noose is tightening on Kiev

except for the 1 axes to the east, at Kharkiv, at the Russian border

that is the big fight, and reportedly it is desperate & vicious

the Ukrainian civilians that are being interviewed

they are increasingly grim in visage and outlook

there was like a rush of esprit in the opening days, rally to the colours

but now they have thousand yard stares, doom approacheth

the Ukrainians handed AK's out willy nilly

but instead of fighting the Russians,

there are now roving gangs of heavily armed men committing crimes with the AK's

this is literally descending rapidly into hell on earth

Russian speaking Ukrainians now live in fear of the roving mobs of armed men coming after them

it is just like World War Two, except on steroids at a faster pace

but it does look like the two big cities will get encircled

and then it's going to be the sieges of Kiev & Kharkiv, like the sieges of Moscow & Leningrad

there is a huge continuous column coming down the main route from Belarus heading for Kiev

 

But then what?  Russians know the toll such sieges had in Russia during WW2.  Then if they take the cities, and all Ukraine for that matter, they’ll be dealing with ambushes, hidden snipers, and an underground resistance.  It won’t be safe for Russian troops.  They’d have to oppress the citizens to hold the territory.  Ultimately it’s wiser for Russia to say they’ll fall back to the majority Russian speaking eastern territories of Ukraine on the condition that any territory that wishes to separate from Ukraine can do so following a referendum.  Russia could maintain forces in Ukraine until the votes take place.

These are just my thoughts on how Russia could save face and feel that they’ve gained something.  Otherwise they might as well retreat entirely.  Trying to take and hold all of Ukraine is too much trouble with no clear benefit. The sanctions from NATO countries will hurt, as will the armaments coming into Ukraine from Germany and other NATO countries.  

Edited February 28, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

15 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

But then what? 

 this is an insane war

this is like 1 September 1939

there is no ceiling to this

I have no idea where this goes

but plausibly to the threshold of thermonuclear war

no doubt we are at DEFCON 3 right now

[Dougie93]

28 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 The sanctions from NATO countries will hurt, as will the armaments coming into Ukraine from Germany and other NATO countries.  

bro, NATO is as fake news as the CBC now

it's actually only Poland & Turkey whom the Kremlin fears

and since Poland & Turkey have been arming & supporting Ukraine

now Putin has gone in to try to knock that down

seemingly hoping that it was going to be a walkover like seizure of Crimea in 2014

but now Ukraine has fully mobilized for total war, right down to the civilians making molotov cocktails

by all accounts, reports, footage, imagery & interviews

it appears to be descending into literal Hell on Earth right out of the Eastern Front of the Second World War

[Dougie93]

former CF officer Tom Marrazo of the Truckers extended interview

 

[Dougie93]

Romanian Trucker Csaba Vizi

the one the cops were kneeing repeatedly after he surrendered without resisting

who was on Tucker Carlson

getting his truck back from the Ottawa police impound

 

[Dougie93]

some push back from the judiciary, Ontario Superior Court Justice rules against Covid tyranny

 

[Zeitgeist]

I still don’t think the fundamental issue of government overreach has been addressed.  The vaccine mandates and penalties for the unvaccinated are big issues.  The dismissal of the legitimate concerns of the protesters by Trudeau and his government are a huge issue.  The imposition of the Emergencies Act, the criminalization of peaceful protesters, and the freezing of their bank accounts, all without due process, are huge issues.  The fact that the events described in the last sentence took place after the blockades were removed and the late night honking stopped says how quickly and easily our government is willing to scrap our civil rights.

I’ve learned that Canada isn’t as free as the government wants the country to be perceived.  I’ve learned that we’re ruled by a narcissist who thinks that citizens who disagree with him numbering in the millions aren’t worthy of constitutional rights or respect as equals.

The mandates persist.  Trudeau still won’t even discuss their removal.  He won’t reach out to the people who came by the thousands to fight for their rights.   I don’t know how he can take himself seriously as a leader of a modern western democracy.  He doesn’t represent Canadian values or the constitution.  He acts like a dictator and has really hurt a lot of people.  Freeland and many in the Cabinet are no better, a Cabinet that appears to be answerable to an international organization rather than the electorate.  

Edited February 28, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I still don’t think the fundamental issue of government overreach has been addressed. 

Canadian Boomers shocked to discover that they have been living in Soviet Canada, just found out last week

 

[Dougie93]

12 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I’ve learned that Canada isn’t as free as the government wants the country to be perceived. 

that's been the main benefit so far

things I have been telling Canadians for years, which they rejected as inconceivable

suddenly they see it now

[Zeitgeist]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

that's been the main benefit so far

things I have been telling Canadians for years, which they rejected as inconceivable

suddenly they see it now

I don’t like our government and I don’t trust it.  They instil fear, divide people, insult citizens, and seek to remove their rights.  I don’t know how they justify it to themselves. I guess they think they know better than Canadians and that our rights aren’t as important as their idea of how we should live.  I almost can’t think about it anymore because it’s so depressing.  I’m looking forward to our province lifting mandates, but clearly our federal government wants to maintain arbitrary draconian control over people.  

Edited February 28, 2022 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

 I almost can’t think about it anymore because it’s so depressing. 

I'm used to it by now

I first noticed it during the Somalia Inquiry, so it's been thirty years of totalitarian government to me

it's nice to have some company for a change actually

 

[Zeitgeist]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm used to it by now

I first noticed it during the Somalia Inquiry, so it's been thirty years of totalitarian government to me

it's nice to have some company for a change actually

 

I hear you.  I think we do what we can to stand up for what’s right and make the best of things in our community where we see the goodness of regular Canadians each day.  Don’t let it get you down.  It’s one of the lowest points in our history.  We just have to work through it.  

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

I hear you.  I think we do what we can to stand up for what’s right and make the best of things in our community where we see the goodness of regular Canadians each day.  Don’t let it get you down.  It’s one of the lowest points in our history.  We just have to work through it.  

it's all part of a larger collapse of the Western Civilization and the associated Enlightenment

this is the Nietzschean abyss coming for Canada like it came for Weimar Germany 

[Dougie93]

16 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Don’t let it get you down.

well I do get pissed off watching the Mounties beating defenseless civilians, I can't deny

but I don't have kids

I'm old now, having thoroughly enjoyed my youth

and I'm a chain smoker, so I won't live too much further into this dystopic future anyways

and  I was an elite armed agent of this state, raised in this harsh realm, since I was 17 years old

so like I say, I'm used to it

VRI

Pro Patria

Edited February 28, 2022 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

she is officially called Canada Bereft

but I call her Mother Canada

[Dougie93]

remember your oaths & affirmations sworn

hand on the King James Bible

in the face of God himself

Dileas Gu Brath

 

[Michael Hardner]

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-extends-anti-blockade-police-powers-1.5799360

Ontario extends anti-blockade police powers

Why aren't people more angry at Doug Ford, given the depth of control he has over mandates and such ?

I think .... check me here ... that it MAY in fact be TDS.

[Zeitgeist]

18 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-extends-anti-blockade-police-powers-1.5799360

Ontario extends anti-blockade police powers

Why aren't people more angry at Doug Ford, given the depth of control he has over mandates and such ?

I think .... check me here ... that it MAY in fact be TDS.

Ontario is lifting mandates, some at least, so that might be a reason.  The vaccine passports are going.  Ford isn’t imposing vaccination on truckers.  He isn’t great either though.  

[Michael Hardner]

50 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

1. Ford isn’t imposing vaccination on truckers.  He isn’t great either though.  

1. Yes but we still have mask mandates... hard to understand why he is almost never mentioned...

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Yes but we still have mask mandates... hard to understand why he is almost never mentioned...

Yes hope masks are gone by March Break. 

[Dougie93]

30 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Yes hope masks are gone by March Break. 

I stopped wearing mine

civil disobedience

it has become a symbol of repression, Covid Nazi Armband

used to be that people would freak out about it

but nobody bothers me about it now