Is Canada becoming a Communist state?

[blackbird]

Government proves over and over how bad Socialism is.  The pandemic response failure and slow vaccination rollout is a prime example of the disaster of Socialism and bureaucratic control.

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

Government proves over and over how bad Socialism is.  The pandemic response failure and slow vaccination rollout is a prime example of the disaster of Socialism and bureaucratic control.

Your casual comment proves nothing of the sort.  It may be true, of course, but you'd have to provide some pretty thorough analysis to convince anyone.  

Most people on here wouldn't be convinced of the truth of something by an offhand sentence from a complete stranger.

[blackbird]

11 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

Your casual comment proves nothing of the sort.  It may be true, of course, but you'd have to provide some pretty thorough analysis to convince anyone.  

Most people on here wouldn't be convinced of the truth of something by an offhand sentence from a complete stranger.

OK, I'll give you a concrete example, although there are many of the failure of government intervention.  The widespread sexual abuse scandals in the Canadian Forces is a prime example of government imposing it's ideology.  Liberal feminism is what forced the military into integrating women into the ranks of male armed forces ranks.  The rampant sexual abuse is the consequence.  A prime example of liberal ideology completely ignoring human nature and the sex drive of men.   Women should have remained in a separate branch of the military as I believe they were during WW2.  This would have kept the sexes apart more.  But this goes against the liberal ideology of feminism and that the sex of the person doesn't matter.  Well, it has come back to bite the liberals hard and they have no solution.  An example of government intervention (progressivism) proving it is a failure.

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[Guest]

8 minutes ago, blackbird said:

OK, I'll give you a concrete example, although there are many of the failure of government intervention.  The widespread sexual abuse scandals in the Canadian Forces is a prime example of government imposing it's ideology.  Liberal feminism is what forced the military into integrating women into the ranks of male armed forces ranks.  The rampant sexual abuse is the consequence.  A prime example of liberal ideology completely ignoring human nature and the sex drive of men.   Women should have remained in a separate branch of the military as I believe they were during WW2.  This would have kept the sexes apart more.  But this goes against the liberal ideology of feminism and that the sex of the person doesn't matter.  Well, it has come back to bite the liberals hard and they have no solution.  An example of government intervention (progressivism) proving it is a failure.

What absolute bloody rubbish.  It does speak to your lack of willpower though.

What kind of environment do you require to be able to resist assaulting women?

[Michael Hardner]

9 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. The widespread sexual abuse scandals in the Canadian Forces is a prime example of government imposing it's ideology.  Liberal feminism is what forced the military into integrating women into the ranks of male armed forces ranks.  The rampant sexual abuse is the consequence.  A prime example of liberal ideology completely ignoring human nature and the sex drive of men.   

2.  But this goes against the liberal ideology of feminism and that the sex of the person doesn't matter.  Well, it has come back to bite the liberals hard and they have no solution.  An example of government intervention (progressivism) proving it is a failure.

1. Well, maybe but... you can't have a military without government and even hardcore libertarians would still have a military.  That means military policy is necessarily political and subject to social trends and even whims of the population.  Wouldn't you put the blame more on feminism itself ?

2. As I suspected, you seem to have a problem with feminism which is fine but you are using small 'l' liberal, which means you are talking about someone who believes in open public discussion, a marketplace of ideas.  Again, it seems to me that you have more of a problem with the idea itself.  After all government also adopts right-wing values when they are popularly held.  Lots of examples there too.
 

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

What absolute bloody rubbish.  It does speak to your lack of willpower though.

What kind of environment do you require to be able to resist assaulting women?

You need to ask the 500 plus women in the Canadian forces who were assaulted.  Ask the generals how it happened.  It is a simple fact when temptation is placed in easy reach of men, you know what happens.  Simple logic that you don't seem to want to admit.

[Guest]

Just now, blackbird said:

You need to ask the 500 plus women in the Canadian forces who were assaulted.  Ask the generals how it happened.  It is a simple fact when temptation is placed in easy reach of men, you know what happens.  Simple logic that you don't seem to want to admit.

Yeah, and banks are where the money is.

I would prefer to blame the arseholes doing the assaulting, not excuse them and blame the victims.

Hey, quick question:  If a French cartoonist is killed for drawing Muhammad, whose to blame?

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. Well, maybe but... you can't have a military without government and even hardcore libertarians would still have a military.  That means military policy is necessarily political and subject to social trends and even whims of the population.  Wouldn't you put the blame more on feminism itself ?

2. As I suspected, you seem to have a problem with feminism which is fine but you are using small 'l' liberal, which means you are talking about someone who believes in open public discussion, a marketplace of ideas.  Again, it seems to me that you have more of a problem with the idea itself.  After all government also adopts right-wing values when they are popularly held.  Lots of examples there too.
 

The problem is with liberals or Liberals, whichever you prefer, that can't seem to understand the simple facts of human nature and try to re-design the military in a way that puts many of the men in positions of temptation.  And then expect nothing will happen.

[Guest]

1 minute ago, blackbird said:

The problem is with liberals or Liberals, whichever you prefer, that can't seem to understand the simple facts of human nature and try to re-design the military in a way that puts many of the men in positions of temptation.  And then expect nothing will happen.

Awww, poor men.

Strangely, I've been in that position, and never assaulted anyone.

Go figure!

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, bcsapper said:

Yeah, and banks are where the money is.

I would prefer to blame the arseholes doing the assaulting, not excuse them and blame the victims.

Hey, quick question:  If a French cartoonist is killed for drawing Muhammad, whose to blame?

Of course it doesn't excuse those doing the assaulting, but if you drop handfuls of money on the street on the way out of the bank, and don't notice it until you get home,  don't expect it to be lying on the ground when you get back and don't expect it will all be returned to you.  Face it, the world is full of weak, dishonest people.  

[Guest]

Just now, blackbird said:

Of course it doesn't excuse those doing the assaulting, but if you drop handfuls of money on the street on the way out of the bank, and don't notice it until you get home,  don't expect it to be lying on the ground when you get back and don't expect it will all be returned to you.  Face it, the world is full of weak, dishonest people.  

Wouldn't they be to blame? 

 

[blackbird]

6 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Wouldn't they be to blame? 

 

Yes, but also the military should not be designed in a way that creates temptation.  Everything has boundaries and protections.   Why do you think people have locks on their homes or fences around their property, or banks have security guards when money is being shipped in or out?   Common sense is necessary to protect against the depravities of humans.

Edited May 15, 2021 by blackbird

[Guest]

Just now, blackbird said:

Yes, but also the military should not be designed in a way the creates temptation.  Everything had boundaries and protections.   Why do you think people have locks on their homes or fences around their property, or banks have security guards when money is being shipped in or out?   Common sense is necessary to protect against the depravities of humans.

Creates temptation?  Have you no self control?

Courts and jails exist for those who have no self control.

I would never deny people based on what some jerk with no self control might do. 

What about my cartoonist question?

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

Creates temptation?  Have you no self control?

Courts and jails exist for those who have no self control.

I would never deny people based on what some jerk with no self control might do. 

What about my cartoonist question?

I don't see drawing cartoons in France as having anything to do with the subject of women in the military.  You know there are a lot of Islamic terrorists in the world and nobody can guarantee being protected from them.

If you can't see the problem is the mixing men and women together in the military has proven to be disaster.  Nobody can predict who will be an abuser.  It is an enormous disaster based on liberal ideology of feminism and equality of the sexes but completely ignores the truth of human nature.

Edited May 15, 2021 by blackbird

[ron Young]

1 hour ago, blackbird said:

Government proves over and over how bad Socialism is.  The pandemic response failure and slow vaccination rollout is a prime example of the disaster of Socialism and bureaucratic control.

Nothing you wrote is based in truth.

[Michael Hardner]

21 minutes ago, blackbird said:

1. The problem is with liberals or Liberals, whichever you prefer, that can't seem to understand the simple facts of human nature and try to re-design the military in a way that puts many of the men in positions of temptation. 

2. And then expect nothing will happen.

1. It's not like Conservatives have tried to completely undo feminism.  And the relation of all this to the topic of "Communist Canada" seems tenuous at best.  Canada and the UK produced the first women PMs ... who were both Conservative.
2. As was pointed out, seems like blaming the victim.  "Who would blame that poor junky for killing that guy... his watch was so shiny and gold..."

[ron Young]

27 minutes ago, blackbird said:

You need to ask the 500 plus women in the Canadian forces who were assaulted.  Ask the generals how it happened.  It is a simple fact when temptation is placed in easy reach of men, you know what happens.  Simple logic that you don't seem to want to admit.

Really? I see lot's of beautifull women everyday. You know what doesn't happen though? Sexual assault.

[blackbird]

1 minute ago, ron Young said:

Nothing you wrote is based in truth.

I could give lots of examples of the failure of government control or intervention:

1.  Very slow pandemic response by government.  Refusal to properly close the borders and stop the thousands of Covid-infected people from flying or driving in.

2.  Failure to have vaccine manufacturing capability in Canada because of past government policies that drove pharmaceutical/ vaccine manufacturing out of Canada.

3.  Trying to negotiate with Communist China to get vaccines, which failed.  Sending PPE's to China.

4.  Sexual abuse in the military a result of government policies on feminism.

5.  Long gun registry that cost billions of dollars and accomplished nothing and was finally abolished.

6.  High real estate prices in Canada partly because government allowed foreign investment to buy up real estate in Canada.  Also excessive intervention, taxes, red tape that drove up the real estate prices.

[blackbird]

3 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. It's not like Conservatives have tried to completely undo feminism.  And the relation of all this to the topic of "Communist Canada" seems tenuous at best.  Canada and the UK produced the first women PMs ... who were both Conservative.
2. As was pointed out, seems like blaming the victim.  "Who would blame that poor junky for killing that guy... his watch was so shiny and gold..."

No, I never blamed the victim.  I laid the blame squarely on government "progressive" feminist policies.  That's the root of the problem.  That has created a lot of sexual abuse victims.

[Guest]

2 hours ago, blackbird said:

I don't see drawing cartoons in France as having anything to do with the subject of women in the military.  You know there are a lot of Islamic terrorists in the world and nobody can guarantee being protected from them.

If you can't see the problem is the mixing men and women together in the military has proven to be disaster.  Nobody can predict who will be an abuser.  It is an enormous disaster based on liberal ideology of feminism and equality of the sexes but completely ignores the truth of human nature.

It doesn't have anything to do with the subject of women in the military.  It's just the most obvious case I could think of where consequences could have been avoided by not taking an action that was their right to take, and was fully supportable by any sane person with basic rights in mind.

If you are of the mind that people ought to take care not to do what they want to do, and what is their right to do, because some tosser might not be able to control himself, then that's your opinion.  I disagree.

Edited May 15, 2021 by bcsapper

[blackbird]

7 minutes ago, ron Young said:

Really? I see lot's of beautifull women everyday. You know what doesn't happen though? Sexual assault.

You seem to be missing something.  The fact that in the military men and women are mixed together in their units which allows men to become familiar with them and opens the door to temptation.

[Michael Hardner]

2 minutes ago, blackbird said:

I could give lots of examples of the failure of government control or intervention:

1.  Very slow pandemic response by government.  Refusal to properly close the borders and stop the thousands of Covid-infected people from flying or driving in.

2.  Failure to have vaccine manufacturing capability in Canada because of past government policies that drove pharmaceutical/ vaccine manufacturing out of Canada.

3.  Trying to negotiate with Communist China to get vaccines, which failed.  Sending PPE's to China.

4.  Sexual abuse in the military a result of government policies on feminism.

5.  Long gun registry that cost billions of dollars and accomplished nothing and was finally abolished.

6.  High real estate prices in Canada partly because government allowed foreign investment to buy up real estate in Canada.  Also excessive intervention, taxes, red tape that drove up the real estate prices.

1. I already explained why your approach is flawed.  Should we compare Canada's response to somewhere where there is very little government like Somalia ?  Or someplace with more government control like China, or even western countries like NZ or Australia ?

2. That's actually government giving UP control over a market to the private sector.  Boy...
3. Another example where you undercut your point: the Communist country was the one that had the vaccine capacity
4. Already addressed
5. This is a good example of the worst of government mishandling, I agree
6. Again this is free market, ie. LACK of intervention.  There is no evidence at all that taxes and 'red tape' drove up real estate prices.  The same price hikes are happening globally.

And this has nothing to do with the topic of Canada being Communist.

You have put so little thought, and advanced so little evidence that I wonder why you are even on a discussion forum like this frankly.

[blackbird]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I already explained why your approach is flawed.  Should we compare Canada's response to somewhere where there is very little government like Somalia ?  Or someplace with more government control like China, or even western countries like NZ or Australia ?

2. That's actually government giving UP control over a market to the private sector.  Boy...
3. Another example where you undercut your point: the Communist country was the one that had the vaccine capacity
4. Already addressed
5. This is a good example of the worst of government mishandling, I agree
6. Again this is free market, ie. LACK of intervention.  There is no evidence at all that taxes and 'red tape' drove up real estate prices.  The same price hikes are happening globally.

And this has nothing to do with the topic of Canada being Communist.

You have put so little thought, and advanced so little evidence that I wonder why you are even on a discussion forum like this frankly.

Government intervention in every aspect of life is part of Liberal ideology.  We see the results of that in every area of government policy.  The energy industry for example.  Trudeau killed two major proposed pipeline projects and caused great harm to the energy industry in Canada because of his radical climate change agenda and interventionist spirit.

Now the liberal government is trying to bring in through bill C10 control of what people post on the internet.  They want to use the government bureaucracy, the CRTC, to control private internet companies, which in turn would censor private citizen's comments on the internet.  A prime example of Marxist or Communist government control and a violation of freedom of expression.

[blackbird]

13 minutes ago, Michael Hardner said:

1. I already explained why your approach is flawed.  Should we compare Canada's response to somewhere where there is very little government like Somalia ?  Or someplace with more government control like China, or even western countries like NZ or Australia ?

2. That's actually government giving UP control over a market to the private sector.  Boy...
3. Another example where you undercut your point: the Communist country was the one that had the vaccine capacity
4. Already addressed
5. This is a good example of the worst of government mishandling, I agree
6. Again this is free market, ie. LACK of intervention.  There is no evidence at all that taxes and 'red tape' drove up real estate prices.  The same price hikes are happening globally.

And this has nothing to do with the topic of Canada being Communist.

You have put so little thought, and advanced so little evidence that I wonder why you are even on a discussion forum like this frankly.

Actually the government allowing foreigners to buy up real estate in Canada demonstrates they are globalists.  They don't put Canadians first or protect Canadians.  That's why they bring in vast numbers of people from the third world and allowed migrants to walk across the border and get on all the benefits. 

I don't know why you would say my comments are not worthy of being on the discussion forum if you believe in freedom of expression.  Who on here has a monopoly on the truth?

[Right To Left]

4 hours ago, blackbird said:

You need to look more at the good side of things.  Amazon has grown into a fantastic service that allows people to easily order goods from an infinite variety of choices from the comfort of home and for a relatively small fee have it delivered to their front door within a few days.  This has made life much easier, especially with the pandemic, by allowing people to cut down on going into busy department stores with people everywhere.  It also saves time and gas and is an enormous convenience to millions of people.  It also provides thousands, maybe tens of thousands of jobs to Amazon workers in various places.  This is what innovation and private enterprise does that authoritarianism and Socialism fail to do.  Sure maybe the jobs are not paying as well or don't have all the benefits that some government workers have who live off taxpayers with their government unions, but Amazon workers could unionize and time negotiate better benefits for their workers.  This is far better than Socialism and inefficiency of government running things.  With the government/bureaucratic, inefficient postal service it has always taken weeks to order something from somewhere and costs a fortune for shipping.   Amazon is fantastic.

Anything good regarding Amazon is vastly outweighed by what they do to their employees! So, just out of principle, I have dropped my Amazon account...even though I had been buying nearly all of my books from Amazon for several years. And buying other stuff as well that was otherwise hard to find...such as new wheels for a somewhat expensive pair of rollerblades that I bought elsewhere several years back. 

It certainly is convenient having a source that has just about everything you could imagine buying, with one click of a tab online, but when I learn that their overworked, underpaid staff are forced to piss in bottles because of high and rising work and delivery quotas, while some warehouse operations don't even bother having available washrooms....just for managerial office staff only!

Amazing that you consider Amazon an example of capitalism's superiority over socialism, when Amazon is effectively already a monopoly and like a few other near monopolies which have risen up in recent decades, functions as a socialist system within its operations! Except for sucking up most of the profits to reward shareholders....most of whom happen to be superrich owners of a majority of those stocks. 

There are no capitalist principles of competition within the divisions of any of these massive operations, and the few that do invoke internal competition for earnings and even supplies, end up going out of business - like Sears Canada, when internal 'competition' destabilized the whole company and led to theft, cheating and massive corruption, because the workplaces had turned toxic and nobody trusted anyone else inside!