Logger guy Posted July 5, 2021 Report Posted July 5, 2021 On 7/3/2021 at 5:34 PM, French Patriot said: A & E were good, Yahweh himself said so, and look where it got them. Murdered by their own dad. Regards DL Playing with semantics I see, how juvenile. Quote
French Patriot Posted July 6, 2021 Author Report Posted July 6, 2021 18 hours ago, Logger guy said: Playing with semantics I see, how juvenile. Were they not denied the tree of life? That is what moral people call murder by neglect, junior. Learn some morals. Regards DL Quote
Logger guy Posted July 6, 2021 Report Posted July 6, 2021 1 hour ago, French Patriot said: Were they not denied the tree of life? That is what moral people call murder by neglect, junior. Learn some morals. Regards DL People are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment Death is of course the end of our time of physical separation from God. The soul does not die, and we then come before Jesus to see if we are to dwell with him forever, or not. Quote
French Patriot Posted July 6, 2021 Author Report Posted July 6, 2021 I see that the result of trying to have you see the immoral religion and god of the bible, by engaging in a moral discussion, only returns mythical garbage and lies from you. Prove that you are not lying and how you attained this first hand information. Or go away, liar who runs from defending his god's immoral ways. Regards DL Quote
Logger guy Posted July 7, 2021 Report Posted July 7, 2021 On 7/6/2021 at 1:57 PM, French Patriot said: Prove that you are not lying and how you attained this first hand information. I am assuming that you are referring to my post "People are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment Death is of course the end of our time of physical separation from God. The soul does not die, and we then come before Jesus to see if we are to dwell with him forever, or not." Hebrews 9:27 Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment. My statement that the soul does not die, and we come before Jesus to see if we are to dwell with him forever is confirmed in Luke 23. Luke 23:32 Two other men, both criminals, were also led out with him to be executed. When they came to the place called the Skull, they crucified him there, along with the criminals—one on his right, the other on his left. Jesus said, “Father, forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing.”[ Luke 23:39-42 But the other criminal rebuked him. “Don’t you fear God,” he said, “since you are under the same sentence? We are punished justly, for we are getting what our deeds deserve. But this man has done nothing wrong.” Then he said, “Jesus, remember me when you come into your kingdom. Jesus answered him, “Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise.” Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 Nothing first hand confirms you are not speaking the truth. Go away with your lies. Regards DL Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) On 7/3/2021 at 8:34 PM, French Patriot said: A & E were good, Yahweh himself said so, and look where it got them. Murdered by their own dad. Regards DL Men are not dolls controlled by God they did the murdering of their own free will God did not murder God doesn't force people to be good God doesn't force people to be bad people are free to make the choice for themselves and bear the consequences of those choices sparring others from the consequences of their own actions and blaming God for those consequences does not make moral people Edited July 8, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Men are not dolls controlled by God they did the murdering of their own free will God did not murder sparring others from the consequences of their own actions and blaming God for those consequences does not make moral people Who murdered who by locking away what would keep who alive, the tree of life? Who murdered who by willful neglect and synonymously, starve his two first children to death? You know who. Come on now. Say the name. Regards DL Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: and blaming God for those consequences does not make moral people Yet hypocritical Christians will take their consequences for their sins and transfer them to Jesus and use him as their scapegoat. That abdication is a sin and quite immoral in and of itself. Christians love to sin. That is why they sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. Enjoy sinning. It is necessary to god. How can Christianity make moral people when they preach an immoral genocidal loving homophobic and misogynous religion? Even against our own governments laws of equality!! Regards DL Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 6 minutes ago, French Patriot said: Who murdered who by locking away what would keep who alive, the tree of life? Who murdered who by willful neglect and synonymously, starve his two first children to death? You know who. Come on now. Say the name. Regards DL free will has consequences allowing free will is not neglect God didn't murder anyone Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, French Patriot said: Yet hypocritical Christians will take their consequences for their sins and transfer them to Jesus and use him as their scapegoat. That abdication is a sin and quite immoral in and of itself. Christians love to sin. That is why they sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. Enjoy sinning. It is necessary to god. How can Christianity make moral people when they preach an immoral genocidal loving homophobic and misogynous religion? Even against our own governments laws of equality!! Regards DL non hypocritical Christians don't abdicate responsibility for their sins or scapegoat Jesus stop looking to the bad examples and pretend there are no good examples Edited July 8, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: free will has consequences allowing free will is not neglect God didn't murder anyone A & E did not have a free willed choice, given that they had no clue as to what parameters they were choosing from. They did not know if evil was good or good was evil and only poor thinkers like you will see a free willed choice. Pick from 1 or 2 for me. One choice I kill you, the other I do not. Make your choice on the same info A & E had. What choice goof. Was your pending death a freely willed occurrence? All that aside, you bible is clear that we do not have a free will. Look at the Pharaoh story and god hardening his heart. He is our proof of concept for no free will. Your gambit fails. Regards DL Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: non hypocritical Christians don't abdicate responsibility for their sins or scapegoat Jesus stop looking to the bad examples and pretend there are no good examples Now you are just straight lying so fuck off. Regards DL Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 14 minutes ago, French Patriot said: A & E did not have a free willed choice, given that they had no clue as to what parameters they were choosing from. They did not know if evil was good or good was evil and only poor thinkers like you will see a free willed choice. Pick from 1 or 2 for me. One choice I kill you, the other I do not. Make your choice on the same info A & E had. What choice goof. Was your pending death a freely willed occurrence? All that aside, you bible is clear that we do not have a free will. Look at the Pharaoh story and god hardening his heart. He is our proof of concept for no free will. Your gambit fails. Regards DL they can choose whether to listen to the devil or not they choose poorly and reaped the consequences God told them not to eat the fruit, they chose not to listen it's not like they forgot God told them not to eat it they were well aware and perfectly capable of choosing not to eat it instead they chose to eat it, on the advice of a serpent play stupid games, win stupid prizes Edited July 8, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, French Patriot said: Now you are just straight lying so fuck off. Regards DL you are the liar pretending all Christians are inherently immoral talk about scapegoating projection is a helluva drug you fuck off Edited July 8, 2021 by Yzermandius19 Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 When all you have is lies ---- get a life. Regards DL Quote
French Patriot Posted July 8, 2021 Author Report Posted July 8, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Yzermandius19 said: pretending all Christians are inherently immoral Strange that you do not see honoring a genocidal prick and his homophobic and misogynous religion as evil. Evil loves you because you cannot and will not argue for the immorality you adore. Regards DL Edited July 8, 2021 by French Patriot t Quote
Logger guy Posted July 8, 2021 Report Posted July 8, 2021 23 hours ago, French Patriot said: Nothing first hand confirms you are not speaking the truth. None of us were there to witness these things first hand. That is why we have the Bible, the word of God. Either you believe that the Bible is the word of God, and I have proved you wrong, or you do not believe, and are being deceitful, you choose. 22 hours ago, French Patriot said: All that aside, you bible is clear that we do not have a free will. Look at the Pharaoh story and god hardening his heart. He is our proof of concept for no free will. Pharaoh actually did have a free choice. Exodus tells us of the evil in Pharaoh's heart toward them. Exodus 1:8-11 Then a new king, to whom Joseph meant nothing, came to power in Egypt. “Look,” he said to his people, “the Israelites have become far too numerous for us. Come, we must deal shrewdly with them or they will become even more numerous and, if war breaks out, will join our enemies, fight against us and leave the country.” So they put slave masters over them to oppress them with forced labor, and they built Pithom and Rameses as store cities for Pharaoh. But the more they were oppressed, the more they multiplied and spread; so the Egyptians came to dread the Israelites and worked them ruthlessly. They made their lives bitter with harsh labor in brick and mortar and with all kinds of work in the fields; in all their harsh labor the Egyptians worked them ruthlessly. Exodus 1:22 Then Pharaoh gave this order to all his people: “Every Hebrew boy that is born you must throw into the Nile, but let every girl live.” God saved Moses from this infanticide, and sent him to free his people. God visited the plagues on Egypt, and pharaoh kept changing his mind between letting the people go or keeping them in slavery. We often change our minds, but seldom change our hearts. Exodus 12:29-33 At midnight the Lord struck down all the firstborn in Egypt, from the firstborn of Pharaoh, who sat on the throne, to the firstborn of the prisoner, who was in the dungeon, and the firstborn of all the livestock as well. Pharaoh and all his officials and all the Egyptians got up during the night, and there was loud wailing in Egypt, for there was not a house without someone dead. During the night Pharaoh summoned Moses and Aaron and said, “Up! Leave my people, you and the Israelites! Go, worship the Lord as you have requested. Take your flocks and herds, as you have said, and go. And also bless me.” The Egyptians urged the people to hurry and leave the country. “For otherwise,” they said, “we will all die!” The last plague was a return in kind for the killing of the Israeli male children. The Egyptians didn't let the Israelis go because the desire of their heart changed, but because they didn't want to die. Exodus 14:5&6 When the king of Egypt was told that the people had fled, Pharaoh and his officials changed their minds about them and said, “What have we done? We have let the Israelites go and have lost their services!” So he had his chariot made ready and took his army with him. He took six hundred of the best chariots, along with all the other chariots of Egypt, with officers over all of them. The Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh king of Egypt, so that he pursued the Israelites, who were marching out boldly. The Egyptians—all Pharaoh’s horses and chariots, horsemen[ and troops—pursued the Israelites and overtook them as they camped by the sea near Pi Hahiroth, opposite Baal Zephon. The intent of pharaoh's heart never changed, when God hardened his heart it was so that events wouldn't change his mind, and he would follow his heart, his true free will, which was unchanging. God knew that Pharaoh would never let the Israelis live in peace, so He drowned the army to remove the threat of enslaving them again. Quote
French Patriot Posted July 9, 2021 Author Report Posted July 9, 2021 18 hours ago, Logger guy said: the word of God. A flat out lie. 18 hours ago, Logger guy said: and are being deceitful, As you continue to do by making claims you cannot prove. 18 hours ago, Logger guy said: The intent of pharaoh's heart never changed, when God hardened his heart Now you judge god's actions and show his incompetence. What you have shown is that god did have an impact, and as scriptures show, just to glorify himself. Let's all go out and kill first born to glorify god. Scriptures do say we are to be as perfect as he is. That reason and more is why Gnostic Christians, the only good Christians, have condemned Yahweh to hell. All good and moral Christians will. All on the undecided god sideline will as well. Regards DL Quote
Logger guy Posted July 10, 2021 Report Posted July 10, 2021 (edited) On 7/7/2021 at 6:03 PM, French Patriot said: Christians love to sin. That is why they sing that Adam's sin was a happy fault and necessary to god's plan. Abraham Lincoln said “Better to remain silent, and be thought a fool than to speak and remove all doubt.” Edited July 10, 2021 by Logger guy Quote
Antichrist Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 On 1/16/2021 at 10:10 PM, oops said: The group of cardiac arrest survivors with NDEs were statistically more likely have a reduced fear of death, increased belief in life after death, interest in the meaning of life, acceptance of others, and were more loving and empathic. It may take years after NDEs for the aftereffects to become fully manifest. The aftereffects may be so substantial that NDErs may seem to be very different people to their loved ones and family. The consistency, intensity, and durability of NDE aftereffects is consistent with the NDErs’ typical personal assessments that their experiences were very meaningful and significant. It is remarkable that NDEs often occur during only minutes of unconsciousness, yet commonly result in substantial and life-long transformations of beliefs and values. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6172100/ i get those exact symptoms when i take mushroms Quote
Antichrist Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 On 7/7/2021 at 9:15 PM, Yzermandius19 said: they can choose whether to listen to the devil or not they choose poorly and reaped the consequences God told them not to eat the fruit, they chose not to listen it's not like they forgot God told them not to eat it they were well aware and perfectly capable of choosing not to eat it instead they chose to eat it, on the advice of a serpent play stupid games, win stupid prizes do you really believe in talking snakes 1 Quote
Yzermandius19 Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Antichrist said: do you really believe in talking snakes it's a metaphor Quote
Antichrist Posted July 11, 2021 Report Posted July 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Yzermandius19 said: it's a metaphor Do you just randomly say its a metaphor when the bible has ridiculous writings How bout taking a rib from adam to make eve Noahs arc....real or metaphore Parting of the sea The bible is full of shit 1 Quote
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