Now Trudeau has a racist lobster war in Nova Scotia...what to do ?

[bush_cheney2004]

Violence and arson have erupted in Nova Scotia because of longstanding competition between First Nations and commercial operators over the lobster fishery.    After 20 years since the courts decided that native rights include taking lobster, the provincial and federal government still haven't moved on a framework to guarantee and enforce those native treaty rights.

Why is Trudeau impotent as usual to lead on this matter ?    Who's votes and commercial interests is he beholden to for Liberal Party interests ?  Are these the "Sunny Ways" ?

How much for that lobster in the window ?

 

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MPs hold emergency debate on N.S. lobster fishery dispute

'Violence in Nova Scotia must stop now. It's unacceptable, it's shameful and it's criminal,' PM says

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/parliament-debate-nova-scotia-lobster-dispute-1.5768468

 

Edited October 20, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Cannucklehead]

Goes back to pre Canada law. 

 

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5734646

 

Between 1725 and 1779, the British signed several peace and friendship treaties with various First Nations, including the Mi'kmaq of what is now Nova Scotia. The treaties established peace and commercial relations. They guaranteed hunting, fishing and land-use rights for the descendants of the Indigenous signatories.

 

RCMP have been dispatched to the scene, but some say that isn't enough and want the military to handle it.  

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/canada/2020/10/17/1_5149718.html

 

Overkill imo, the RCMP are trained and equipped for matters like this.  

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Overkill imo, the RCMP are trained and equipped for matters like this.  

 

No, the RCMP has proven itself to be incompetent for such matters, and has at times been another source of the problem.

Highway and rail stoppage protests are already in the works.

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

No, the RCMP has proven itself to be incompetent for such matters, and has at times been another source of the problem.

Highway and rail stoppage protests are already in the works.

Why?  Because they were heavily outnumbered and didn't use deadly force to subdue the 200+ protesters?  I guess thats how its done in the u.s.   

 

Great results so far.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said:

Why?  Because they were heavily outnumbered and didn't use deadly force to subdue the 200+ protesters?  I guess thats how its done in the u.s.   

 

Great results so far.  

 

Has nothing to do with the U.S.   This is about an issue in Canada.   Deflecting won't work.

The presence of RCMP often inflames and impedes any progress towards resolution.

[Cannucklehead]

50 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Has nothing to do with the U.S.   This is about an issue in Canada.   Deflecting won't work.

The presence of RCMP often inflames and impedes any progress towards resolution.

Doing nothing won't help, and sending in the military is worse.  

[bush_cheney2004]

5 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Doing nothing won't help, and sending in the military is worse.  

 

The provincial and federal governments were happy to do nothing for 20 years.

[Cannucklehead]

2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The provincial and federal governments were happy to do nothing for 20 years.

The protests haven't been violent until recently, but they have been busy.

https://www.rcinet.ca/en/2020/09/18/lobster-dispute-between-indigenous-and-commercial-fishers-boils-over-again/

The fishermen say they have no problem with Indigenous fishing for food, social, and ceremonial purposes but claim this is in fact a commercial operation.” They allege Indigenous out-of-season commercial fishing has been going on for years.

Last month Sheng Ren Zheng, owner of a Nova Scotia lobster pound (where lobster caught are kept alive for later sale), was convicted of illegal commercial sale of Indigenous lobster being shipped to China after a DFO sting operation in 2017. The lobster were caught under the Indigenous food, social, and ceremonial permit, and commercial sale was not allowed.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

The protests haven't been violent until recently, but they have been busy.

 

So do nothing after court decisions unless things turn violent ?   

Meanwhile, the value of commercial fishery licenses have exploded and are violently protected.

[Cannucklehead]

7 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

So do nothing after court decisions unless things turn violent ?   

Meanwhile, the value of commercial fishery licenses have exploded and are violently protected.

Well you can't stop non violent protests in the free world.  The u.s. tries to but to no avail.  

[bush_cheney2004]

Another member here has long maintained that Ottawa is grossly incompetent at managing Canada's fisheries, east and west.   Provincial and local control is hampered by this incompetence.  Commercial interests wield great political influence over other stakeholders.

This lobster war is just another example.

[bush_cheney2004]

2 minutes ago, Cannucklehead said:

Well you can't stop non violent protests in the free world.  The u.s. tries to but to no avail.  

 

The U.S. did not have rail stoppages that paralyzed the nation last year.

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

The U.S. did not have rail stoppages that paralyzed the nation last year.

Only because the protesters didn't try to.  Instead they destroyed countless businesses, courts and police stations.  But they could have gone after railways if they wanted.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said:

Only because the protesters didn't try to.  Instead they destroyed countless businesses, courts and police stations.  But they could have gone after railways if they wanted.  

 

But they didn't.  Canada's First Nations protesters have found the pain points and will exploit them going forward in support of each other.    It was/is an effective strategy.

[Cannucklehead]

1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

But they didn't.  Canada's First Nations protesters have found the pain points and will exploit them going forward in support of each other.    It was/is an effective strategy.

Well I don't know about you but I wouldn't want an ugly pipeline running through my backyard, progress or not.  

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Cannucklehead said:

Well I don't know about you but I wouldn't want an ugly pipeline running through my backyard, progress or not.  

 

I wouldn't want ugly commercial lobster boats in my backyard either.

[bush_cheney2004]

 

[Cannucklehead]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

I wouldn't want ugly commercial lobster boats in my backyard either.

Hope you don't live in Maine then.  

[bush_cheney2004]

Nova Scotia lobster...remember...don't eat the brain !

 

 

[Cannucklehead]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Nova Scotia lobster...remember...don't eat the brain !

 

 

Looks delicious, I might make some this weekend.  

 

And yeah, just chop off the brain and toss it

[bush_cheney2004]

Like most things...just follow the money....

 

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Canada is the largest supplier of lobsters in the world, and Nova Scotia is responsible for harvesting about half of the country's C$1.4bn of lobster. ($1.05bn; £820m).

 

The non-indigenous fishing industry has been a vital part of the province's economy since it was settled by British and French colonialists in the 1600s.

But the Mi'kmaw have been fishing the region's waters for centuries before.

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Between 2000-2007, the government spent C$354m on commercial fishing licences, fishing vessels, gear, and training to give to 32 First Nations that had signed individual agreements with them.

 

But rather than implement their treaty rights, the agreements simply "cut off a little slice" of the commercial fishery, says indigenous law professor Naiomi Metallic, who teaches at Dalhousie University.

 

The government promised the agreements would not replace their treaty rights, but negotiations on how to fully implement the Marshall decision have stalled for years, she says.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-54472604

 

[taxme]

14 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Violence and arson have erupted in Nova Scotia because of longstanding competition between First Nations and commercial operators over the lobster fishery.    After 20 years since the courts decided that native rights include taking lobster, the provincial and federal government still haven't moved on a framework to guarantee and enforce those native treaty rights.

Why is Trudeau impotent as usual to lead on this matter ?    Who's votes and commercial interests is he beholden to for Liberal Party interests ?  Are these the "Sunny Ways" ?

How much for that lobster in the window ?

 

 

Just more Canadian bull chit to have to deal with once again. It never ends in this stupid socialist country. The Indians should not have anymore rights at all anymore. The non-Indian people of Canada have paid and done enough to try and make reparations to the Native Indians and all we still get from them is more whining and crying. The fisheries should be open up to all. To favor one race of people over another is racism.

In Canada, it's not about white people anymore and their rights and concerns. White people founded and built this once great country up. Now white people have become pretty much second class citizen's in our own white homeland. What the hell is going on here? This anti-white racism needs to end now. Works for me. 

[WestCanMan]

1) It's not racism. It's fish schism.

2) Did they even fish for lobster before Columbus came? I'm not really a big believer that the FN should suddenly have new rights to do things that they never did traditionally. I'm not saying that they shouldn't be allowed to fish for lobster if they never did it before, they should just face the same restrictions as others if they just started in 1800.

Side note: I'm still not down with them using canons to hunt whales either. If they wanna be badass and kill whales old skool, maybe. They can even produce a tv show that will make fishing for crab off the coast of Alaska look cute. And even this is a compromise from me, my actual position is F- all whale hunters. 

[WestCanMan]

I Googled it.

Apparently the FN people used to spear and gaffe lobster close to shore. 

That's not a thing anymore, there aren't any lobster close enough to shore these days.

[BeaverFever]

Now Trudeau has a racist lobster war 

 

I hate racist lobsters. They’re even worse than sexist crabs.