Army Guy Posted July 12, 2020 Report Posted July 12, 2020 Quote The question of whether Trudeau may call a snap election hangs in the air. His current job approval numbers, with pandemic relief spending likely driving them, are such that the PM might see opportunity to again follow his father's example. Two years after seeing his majority government reduced to minority status, Pierre Trudeau emerged from the 1974 vote with a reclaimed Liberal majority government. Might the script for Justin Trudeau play out identically? Now that's the question With the liberals climbing in the polls, and the conservatives taking their time on deciding a new leader, this could play in the liberals favor as the story suggests. perhaps the cons need to re think their idea of calling a snap election once leadership is decided.... What is it that the cons need to do to start driving Justins numbers down ? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/roy-green-might-justin-trudeau-s-election-history-emulate-his-father-pierre-trudeau/ar-BB16AVkL?ocid=msedgntp Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Moonlight Graham Posted July 12, 2020 Report Posted July 12, 2020 Justin Trudeau is no Pierre Trudeau and never will be. Justin will call an election as soon as it's political viable to call one given the COVID-19 environment makes it difficult to physically vote. Quote "All generalizations are false, including this one." - Mark Twain Partisanship is a disease of the intellect.
August1991 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Posted July 22, 2020 I remember that 1974 federal election. "Zap! You're frozen!" Then, Trudeau Snr did exactly that: he imposed a wage-price freeze, invoking John Kenneth Galbraith. ===== As kids say today, some 75 years after 1945, "Old guy. Whatever." Quote
August1991 Posted July 22, 2020 Report Posted July 22, 2020 I miss Trudeau Snr and Rene Levesque, and their use of language. Delight in French, good in English. Brian Mulroney and Jean Chretien were pale in comparison. Nowadays, I have no one. Jacques Parizeau is dead. Quote
PIK Posted July 23, 2020 Report Posted July 23, 2020 On 7/12/2020 at 11:45 AM, Army Guy said: With the liberals climbing in the polls, and the conservatives taking their time on deciding a new leader, this could play in the liberals favor as the story suggests. perhaps the cons need to re think their idea of calling a snap election once leadership is decided.... What is it that the cons need to do to start driving Justins numbers down ? https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/politics/roy-green-might-justin-trudeau-s-election-history-emulate-his-father-pierre-trudeau/ar-BB16AVkL?ocid=msedgntp Nothing. Let justin do it for them. Quote Toronto, like a roach motel in the middle of a pretty living room.
SpankyMcFarland Posted July 23, 2020 Report Posted July 23, 2020 23 hours ago, August1991 said: Brian Mulroney and Jean Chretien were pale in comparison. Nowadays, I have no one. Jacques Parizeau is dead. At least Mulroney spoke in fully formed sentences most of the time, even when he didn't know he was being taped by Peter Newman. His delivery was impressive. Chrétien was famous for not being great in either language, not that it held him back. I was happy with both of them as PMs, esp. Chrétien. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
August1991 Posted July 25, 2020 Report Posted July 25, 2020 Spanky, Like other countries, "Canada" is a complicated place. Fortunately, we have a federal State. Quote
August1991 Posted August 1, 2020 Report Posted August 1, 2020 On 7/22/2020 at 11:49 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: At least Mulroney spoke in fully formed sentences most of the time, even when he didn't know he was being taped by Peter Newman. His delivery was impressive. Chrétien was famous for not being great in either language, not that it held him back. I was happy with both of them as PMs, esp. Chrétien. Taped? You entirely miss the point. ===== Kids today don't understand: Donald Trump is a pale imitation of Pierre Trudeau and Rene Lévesque. Like Trump, Trudeau and Lévesque attracted attention - and they said something. (Obama? For some time, I thought that he was like Laurier. He's not.) Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted August 3, 2020 Report Posted August 3, 2020 On 8/1/2020 at 12:10 AM, August1991 said: Taped? You entirely miss the point. ===== Kids today don't understand: Donald Trump is a pale imitation of Pierre Trudeau and Rene Lévesque. Like Trump, Trudeau and Lévesque attracted attention - and they said something. The point I’m making is that Mulroney was a pretty good speaker even in casual conversation or other unscripted situations like interviews. To lump him in with Chrétien is way off. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
August1991 Posted August 3, 2020 Report Posted August 3, 2020 5 minutes ago, SpankyMcFarland said: The point I’m making is that Mulroney was a pretty good speaker even in casual conversation or other unscripted situations like interviews. To lump him in with Chrétien is way off. IMHO, Mulroney and Chretien were both good speakers but they were "politicians" while Trump is a "dealer". ===== IME, Mulroney was stiff in public. Chretien (like Diefenbaker) was a great retail politician. In a small country like Canada, it works. Justin Trudeau's also a retail politician. He should take care. Quote
SpankyMcFarland Posted August 4, 2020 Report Posted August 4, 2020 On 8/3/2020 at 1:04 AM, August1991 said: IMHO, Mulroney and Chretien were both good speakers but they were "politicians" while Trump is a "dealer". ===== IME, Mulroney was stiff in public. Chretien (like Diefenbaker) was a great retail politician. In a small country like Canada, it works. Justin Trudeau's also a retail politician. He should take care. Chrétien was a great politician but his public speaking in English was ropey at best. After JT we seem to have developed a distrust of polished rhetoric. Quote ‘How small we make our worlds. Gather them in, tighten them up into little castles of fear.’
August1991 Posted August 6, 2020 Report Posted August 6, 2020 On 8/4/2020 at 6:10 PM, SpankyMcFarland said: Chrétien was a great politician but his public speaking in English was ropey at best. After JT we seem to have developed a distrust of polished rhetoric. Chretien was great in English. ===== Levesque, Trudeau Snr were a product of the College classique. Even Chretien. The difference? Chretien was younger, poor. Levesque, rich, from Gaspe. Trudeau, rich, from Montreal. Quote
August1991 Posted August 13, 2020 Report Posted August 13, 2020 In 1974, Trudeau Snr only had himself, and Keith Davey. In 2020, Trudeau Jnr only has his father's name, and Telford and Butts. Quote
Army Guy Posted August 16, 2020 Author Report Posted August 16, 2020 CBC had a political science professor on last night , she suggests the liberal brand has been damaged to the point that the liberal party might be considering a party review to replace Justin with another leader.... And while everyone has an opinion, i highly doubt this prediction will come true, but one could always dream... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
August1991 Posted September 5, 2020 Report Posted September 5, 2020 On 8/16/2020 at 12:42 PM, Army Guy said: CBC had a political science professor on last night , she suggests the liberal brand has been damaged to the point that the liberal party might be considering a party review to replace Justin with another leader.... And while everyone has an opinion, i highly doubt this prediction will come true, but one could always dream... Since Blake, every federal Liberal Party leader became PM - until Dion and Ignatieff. Trudeau Snr chose the party for that reason! The party chose Trudeau Jnr for the same reason! Quote
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