The Coronavirus

[bush_cheney2004]

39 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said:

The biggest concern should be to  get this pandemic under control. CDA has handled  this crisis  quite effectively........

 

Canada has done better than some other nations, but is worse than many others.   Canada's deaths per million population is creeping up (now 11th highest in the world), and is now worse than even Ecuador's.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide per one million population as of May 15, 2020, by country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

[Boges]

15 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada has done better than some other nations, but is worse than many others.   Canada's deaths per million population is creeping up (now 11th highest in the world), and is now worse than even Ecuador's.

Coronavirus (COVID-19) deaths worldwide per one million population as of May 15, 2020, by country

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1104709/coronavirus-deaths-worldwide-per-million-inhabitants/

Listen to Trump. Gotta check the testing too. 

Ecuador is testing 5,000/million. 

Countries like Canada and the US are nationally in the 30,000. I suspect these countries also aren't testing all deaths either.  

A country like Brazil, who has a President that downplays the outbreak every chance he gets, is only testing 3,000 per million. 

One thing to note about Canada, the public pressure to wear a mask isn't all that great. It seems to be a huge thing in the US. 

[bush_cheney2004]

13 minutes ago, Boges said:

Listen to Trump. Gotta check the testing too.

 

Has nothing to do with Trump....Canada's response and death rate are domestic challenges.   There is also some evidence that several provinces are not gathering or reporting COVID-19 testing stats consistently.

 

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One thing to note about Canada, the public pressure to wear a mask isn't all that great. It seems to be a huge thing in the US. 

 

Canadian pressure to buy masks from 3M is very great.   Just "listen to Trump".

Edited May 15, 2020 by bush_cheney2004

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

  Just "listen to Trump".

Surely , you  jest  ;-)

Nope.  Listen to  the scientists  and the professional.

 

This is a  pandemic......one   not experienced  by   the  planet  in many many   yrs  and not to  this degree. The last thing  one needs is   BS  from  a buffoon. Who has shown he knows NOTING about  diseases,  let alone pandemics  and worse .....is  not interested  in learning  or listening to  the experts. Now he is undermining  the experts   and the agencies    that work on this full  time.  He has created a power struggle with them.....and   to  some bizarre end  that   fits  into  his  mindset.
 

 

 

Edited May 15, 2020 by Guest

[OftenWrong]

On 5/12/2020 at 10:46 AM, New World Disorder said:

So are we simply chucking this down the road to, the great great grandkids? Each generation the debt load gets higher.

It gets higher, and then all of sudden we come along and it gets, well shall we say astronomically higher? Great grandkids, no man we ain't even having those. Imagine a debt so very high we may as well all go hang ourselves.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Canada has done better than some other nations, but is worse than many others.   Canada's deaths per million population is creeping up (now 11th highest in the world), and is now worse than even Ecuador's.

 

Because  this   pandemics (virus) is so new  everyone has been thrown off guard.   But one is hard pressed to find many nations   describing   the  virus as some hoax  created by  the opposition party.  and then  delaying the response time. If one is happy with how the US has handled the  pandemic ....... then fine.   But  its  large numbers  speak volumes. But numbers  are not everything. ATTITUDE  , compassion,   genuine caring    in a health crisis is what matters.   

 

The reality is that most nations handled  this better than the  US ..... and that can be a hard pill to swallow in a country  built on  exceptionalism.

and most leaders did NOT  approach this  crisis with a callous indifference   playing the  blame game.  or spinning things  so  they hardly resemble reality.

 

On the positive side:  Both CDA and the US have made some very  constructive joint decisions  .......and  being so  close in geography...... that is  excellent.

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Pacifica77 said:

Because  this   pandemics (virus) is so new  everyone has been thrown off guard.   But one is hard pressed to find many nations   describing   the  virus as some hoax  created by  the opposition party.  and then  delaying the response time. If one is happy with how the US has handled the  pandemic ....... then fine.   But  its  large numbers  speak volumes. But numbers  are not everything. ATTITUDE  , compassion,   genuine caring    in a health crisis is what matters.  

 

Wrong thread...this is not about Trump or your false "hoax" assertion, debunked long ago (e.g. snopes.com).

If long term care facilities are any indication for caring and compassion, COVID-19 demonstrates that Canada has much work to do like many other nations.

 

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The reality is that most nations handled  this better than the  US ..... and that can be a hard pill to swallow in a country  built on  exceptionalism.

and most leaders did NOT  approach this  crisis with a callous indifference   playing the  blame game.  or spinning things  so  they hardly resemble reality.

 

Most nations did better than Canada as well....but that is more acceptable absent any "exceptionalism" ?

 

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On the positive side:  Both CDA and the US have made some very  constructive joint decisions  .......and  being so  close in geography...... that is  excellent.

 

Not really....Canada has little practical choice in many such matters.   

[Guest]

6 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

It gets higher, and then all of sudden we come along and it gets, well shall we say astronomically higher? Great grandkids, no man we ain't even having those. Imagine a debt so very high we may as well all go hang ourselves.

It is very concerning.... isn't it??

 

Right now.....we are still in the middle of dealing with the pandemic.   When things subside.......only then   when the dust settles......will we truly see the damage done. on so  many levels.

 

 

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Not really....Canada has little practical choice in many such matters.   

The hoax crap is defiantly  relevant to  the virus thread.     IS THIS  YOUR  PERSONAL   FORUM ??   gota ask  as you seem to be a very  dominant presence here.  

The US attitude of superiority and domination   is appalling........and particularly now........when  real lives matter. Real lives are   lost in numbers  that   are bloody scary.

 

CDA is no perfect. No nation is.......and that includes the  US. 

 

Perhaps in ordinary  times  the US would ave taken the leadership.......  and it might have even been respected.  Not the case  currently.   The US has chosen to go  America First    .........and  that has changed things.   No problem.......the world is adapting.   This pandemics is a time for a lot of  national and intentional  introspection.   and reevaluation  of priorities. and pretty much everything.   We are adapting to a new world.  

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

1 minute ago, Pacifica77 said:

The US attitude of superiority and domination   is appalling........and particularly now........when  real lives matter. Real lives are   lost in numbers  that   are bloody scary.

 

No...the numbers for infected and dead were readily predicted by epidemiological models.    Real lives.    You sound surprised (and scared) by the "science".

 

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CDA is no perfect. No nation is.......and that includes the  US.

 

Agreed...no nation is perfect.   When the horse drawn wagon comes by each day...bring out your dead.

 

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Perhaps in ordinary  times  the US would ave taken the leadership.......  and it might have even been respected.  Not the case  currently.   The US has chosen to go  America First    .........and  that has changed things.   No problem.......the world is adapting.   This pandemics is a time for a lot of  national and intentional  introspection.   and reevaluation  of priorities. and pretty much everything.   We are adapting to a new world.  

 

That is your own expectation and lack of Canadian leadership in the past.    The U.S. has always been America First to some degree.

Why do you have such focus on the U.S. compared to many other nations, most of which are doing better than either Canada or the U.S. ?

[OftenWrong]

1 hour ago, Pacifica77 said:

Right now.....we are still in the middle of dealing with the pandemic.   When things subside.......only then   when the dust settles......will we truly see the damage done. on so  many levels.

Right now we are in the midst closing our eyes to what is going on. Even if someone were to point out that things are going wrong, they are treated like a Nazi by the fervent COVID zealots, some who wouldn't raise a finger to save anybody else. But boy oh boy if it's them, well dammit shut down the whole world, I fear death very greatly.

[Guest]

11 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Right now we are in the midst closing our eyes to what is going on.ery greatly.

Interesting:  What do YOU think is going on??

 

The use of fear to manipulate a population is a very destructive method........and usually has  other agendas.

 

We  need  to rely on science  and the experts who know. Not  politicians who have their own agenda.Science  and FACTS  keep us grounded in reality. .......even if it is  unpleasant   for a while.

 

an aside:  Cute user name ;-)

[Guest]

Some  world wide numbers.......

 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

This  will get you to  a site that  shows the numbers by nation   .

The  overall total  is  rather astonishing. 

Because it is  a wold wide pandemic......it is   important for us  ...IMHO........to be aware of how other anions are doing. Not just  us.   Even though a crisis like this  puts  people into a  survival of the fittest mode..........  we still   should avoid being  totally  self centered. This virus does not care  where you live, what color you are,  etc........and it  cam  have  really  bad  respiratory symptoms. ......that leave   the lungs  scarred. Just as it is important not to sensationalize it......it is critical  not to  down play it........or minimize it.

[eyeball]

2 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

Imagine a debt so very high we may as well all go hang ourselves.

So very high relative to who or what though, extreme fiscal conservatives on Mars with a pay up or else attitude and a death ray to match? Or is it just relative to human beings going into debt everywhere all at the same time?  This is little more than paranoia porn of the hilarious sort that entertains with tall tales of imminent Islamofascist invasions or that marijuana will make white kids dance like Negros. You consistently ignore that the best thing we've got going for us is that we're all in the same boat together. Our GDP to debt ratios should all more or less still be the same relative to where there were and relative to each other and unless I'm mistaken that ratio is all you guys seem to want to talk about when it comes to justifying public debt to bail out banksters, fight Islamofascists or prevent white kids from doing the jive or am I missing something here?

In any case if you conservatives insist you have no choice but to kill yourselves over this then who am I to argue?  It would be nice however if y'all could just do it quietly and preferably downwind somewhere. Thanks.

Speaking of Martians, right-wing conservatives and national debt.

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by eyeball

[Guest]

7 minutes ago, eyeball said:

 

In any case if you conservatives insist you have no choice but to kill yourselves over this then who am I to argue?  It would be nice however if y'all could just do it quietly and preferably downwind somewhere. Thanks.

 

 

 

With due respect:   It might be unwise t o encourage suicide  in anyone.    Some  desperate  people are doing just that..  Sudden  personal crisis ,overwhelming  debt  etc   can trigger that  behavior. This is one reason that mental health program,s  have taken on a new urgency  during this pandemic.  

[Boges]

4 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Has nothing to do with Trump....Canada's response and death rate are domestic challenges.   There is also some evidence that several provinces are not gathering or reporting COVID-19 testing stats consistently

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Canadian pressure to buy masks from 3M is very great.   Just "listen to Trump".

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That was for Front line employees. 

I'm taking normos in public. 

Costco mandates it in the US, not here. 

[OftenWrong]

18 minutes ago, eyeball said:

Speaking of Martians,

Imagine waking up tomorrow and a loaf of bread is $100 dollars. A box of cereal, $250. One week later, it's $1000.

[Rue]

8 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said:

With due respect:   It might be unwise t o encourage suicide  in anyone.    Some  desperate  people are doing just that..  Sudden  personal crisis ,overwhelming  debt  etc   can trigger that  behavior. This is one reason that mental health program,s  have taken on a new urgency  during this pandemic.  

People were doing that before and will be doing it long after this issue moves to the next. You engage in panic porn...classic pollyanna incitement of  hysteria bull shit. Here let me say it again, I think you engage in pollyanna incitement. The tone sounds awful familiar..

[eyeball]

Just now, OftenWrong said:

Imagine waking up tomorrow and a loaf of bread is $100 dollars. A box of cereal, $250. One week later, it's $1000.

If it was $100 bucks here and $100 in the US what's the difference?  So what if it's $1000 next week or ten thousand the week after that if the price is jumping up the same way everywhere?

Why doesn't the relative nature of all being in the same boat cancel out the inflation?  Apparently when the tide comes up all the boats are lifted together, so what about when the tide is going out?

[Rue]

1 hour ago, Pacifica77 said:

Some  world wide numbers.......

 https://www.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

 

This  will get you to  a site that  shows the numbers by nation   .

The  overall total  is  rather astonishing. 

Because it is  a wold wide pandemic......it is   important for us  ...IMHO........to be aware of how other anions are doing. Not just  us.   Even though a crisis like this  puts  people into a  survival of the fittest mode..........  we still   should avoid being  totally  self centered. This virus does not care  where you live, what color you are,  etc........and it  cam  have  really  bad  respiratory symptoms. ......that leave   the lungs  scarred. Just as it is important not to sensationalize it......it is critical  not to  down play it........or minimize it.

If  this is another attempt to debate...by telling people to be frightened..no wait.. be astonished as you couch it...I say run along. Your words incite fear and anti US script...

The world has faced and will always face issues as to health. That ain't new. The type of virus maybe new but not the issues they raise.

The challenge is getting messages like yours to phack off exploiting fear and acting righteous by suggesting if  exploit fear  it makes you less self centered. 

You use the virus for a political agenda...state what it is...

 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Rue

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Rue said:

People were doing that before and will be doing it long after this issue moves to the next. You engage in panic porn...classic pollyanna incitement of  hysteria bull shit. Here let me say it again, I think you engage in pollyanna incitement. The tone sounds awful familiar..

Of course   Suicide   has occurred  before the pandemic  and will after it.   Not the  point.  the point is   that it is unwise to encourage anyone t o do  so. That should have been very clear in my post     and should not have   triggered such a  volatile reaction. It is just one additional complication of this pandemic.

[Rue]

5 minutes ago, Pacifica77 said:

Of course   Suicide   has occurred  before the pandemic  and will after it.   Not the  point.  the point is   that it is unwise to encourage anyone t o do  so. That should have been very clear in my post     and should not have   triggered such a  volatile reaction. It is just one additional complication of this pandemic.

No it wasn't clear..it is now... thank you..point taken, acknowledged and welcomed.

Edited May 16, 2020 by Rue

[Tdot]

4 hours ago, Pacifica77 said:

The last thing  one needs is  BS  from  a buffoon. Who has shown he knows NOTING about  diseases,  let alone pandemics  and worse .....is  not interested  in learning  or listening to  the experts. Now he is undermining  the experts   and the agencies    that work on this full  time.  He has created a power struggle with them.....and   to  some bizarre end  that   fits  into  his  mindset.
 

 

 

Heyyy don't be so hard on Chuck Schumer & Nancy Pelosi! ... lol ...  They're just [like Trudeau & Parliament] simply obeying Globalism's leaders, is all, so stay on topic here about Canada and effects of the coronavirus 

Edited May 16, 2020 by Tdot

[OftenWrong]

1 minute ago, eyeball said:

If it was $100 bucks here and $100 in the US what's the difference?

Is Canada the US? Canadian dollar says what? Now ask yourself, who owns you, and who do you owe? No not you, I mean we, except me. You know what I mean.

We have positioned ourselves in recent years such that we are now beholden to the Chinese in many important ways, and China knows how to make use of those ways. China does not like us at all right now, and intends to punish and disciple the Canadian people. We have their Wu Meng in detention here, haven't heard anything about that lately but I'm sure China is less than pleased.

Just look at our leader, Mr. Trudeau. He practically shakes in his pointed shoes when the merest mention of China comes up. He's in an impossible and ridiculous position, having to genuflect openly before Chinese officials whilst concealing it from Canadians at home. Off camera he immediately prostrates himself, no doubt he's good for that.

Your hero eyeball, not mine. He is sending you checks I understand.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Rue said:

Is this your attempt of debate...telling people to be frightened..no wait.. be astonished as you couch it...your words in all your posts so far encourage fear and anti US hatred. Thanks..just another stale repeat dose of the same source b.s. 

The world has faced and will always face issues as to health. That ain't new. The type of virus maybe new but not the issues they raise.

The challenge is getting messages like yours to phack off exploiting fear and couching it meaning if you exploit it you are not self centered.

 

Why are you making  it personal ??.   I saw  the thread  you started against  three of us  on here .......that don't think like you do.   I thought personal attacks were  against ROC You seem to have decided t have a bias against me....... and are not letting it go.   Is  that necessary??   People  present their ideas i  different ways.    Who are you to dictate  how one should debate??  Worse than that.....your attitude is not very  accepting of new people.   Why is that?? Are new people not welcome here?? That would be against ROC  too.