Would You Support a Tax Cut?

[Army Guy]

23 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

I don’t mind increasing spending for subways, high speed rail, and LRT’s, but there would have to be a dedicated tax for it that can’t go into a slush fund to pay for anything else.  Also, the tax has to be divided into two pieces, one for capital and one for operating expenses, so that once said project is constructed, the capital portion is removed.  Really this should be carved out of existing taxes such as the gas tax.  

Does dedicated taxes  really work, I mean take a look at the taxes the provincial government puts on say tires, they say it is to upkeep our road ways, and yet it is dumped in the general coffers, spent like any other tax,...much like most taxes both fed and provincial. A lot of our spending is not on need items but rather directed toward want items or nice to have items, like the recent liberal decision to raise the basic amount for income taxes at the cost of over 5 plus bil, of tax payers money....don't get me wrong any tax cut is great, but is it a tax break when you pay for it, these tax breaks come at a cost, either higher taxes, or programs are cut, and a lot times it is at the cost of the programs we consider a need, like health care, education , defense, policing etc.    

[taxme]

On 2/5/2020 at 7:37 AM, ProudConservative said:

Lets Say that Canada had no debt, and we could agreed to lower our taxes, What precentage should our taxes be lowered by? How far could we lower taxes, without sacrificing our core values, like the right to an education, infrastructure, and safe communities?

I think that plenty of tax dollars can be saved if Canadians would decide to get rid of many useless leftist liberal programs and agendas that have done not a dam good thing for Canada could lower our debt by hundreds of billions. Just by cutting tax dollars going to useless programs like bilingualism, multiculturalism, foreign aid and being able to ship out right all criminal illegals right away when they get caught trying to sneak in at our border Canadians could save hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year from being blown like they are today. We could maybe even eliminate our debt. Our tax dollars needs to go to people in need, and not to the few minority interest groups that really have no love for Canada at all. They just keep giving us more bull chit to have to deal with and pay for. Enough already. Probably approx. 70% could be saved by doing so. Hey, you never know. 

All those tax dollars saved by eliminating those mentioned above can go to health care, infrastructure, seniors, and education programs that Canada does need to look after. We have too many government programs that give our tax dollars that mostly go too special minority interest groups who are living the good life by sucking our tax dollars to be blown on their pet peeve socialist projects that most Canadians never asked for.

Tough love is what is needed in this country. But all we get from our dear leaders is wimpy and gutless feel good programs and agendas that is going to eventually will bankrupt this country or the politicians will have to create more new taxes to try to keep things up and running. More new taxes that Canadians do not need to have to fork out anymore. My opinion. 

[Guest ProudConservative]

1 hour ago, taxme said:

I think that plenty of tax dollars can be saved if Canadians would decide to get rid of many useless leftist liberal programs and agendas that have done not a dam good thing for Canada could lower our debt by hundreds of billions. Just by cutting tax dollars going to useless programs like bilingualism, multiculturalism, foreign aid and being able to ship out right all criminal illegals right away when they get caught trying to sneak in at our border Canadians could save hundreds of billions of their tax dollars every year from being blown like they are today. We could maybe even eliminate our debt. Our tax dollars needs to go to people in need, and not to the few minority interest groups that really have no love for Canada at all. They just keep giving us more bull chit to have to deal with and pay for. Enough already. Probably approx. 70% could be saved by doing so. Hey, you never know. 

All those tax dollars saved by eliminating those mentioned above can go to health care, infrastructure, seniors, and education programs that Canada does need to look after. We have too many government programs that give our tax dollars that mostly go too special minority interest groups who are living the good life by sucking our tax dollars to be blown on their pet peeve socialist projects that most Canadians never asked for.

Tough love is what is needed in this country. But all we get from our dear leaders is wimpy and gutless feel good programs and agendas that is going to eventually will bankrupt this country or the politicians will have to create more new taxes to try to keep things up and running. More new taxes that Canadians do not need to have to fork out anymore. My opinion. 

The conservatives in this country have gone down the rabit hole. None of them seem to be serious about taking down the debt. Unlike America which has reached the point of no return, Canada has a great opportunity to get its Finances under control. We should also prepare for America to become a failed State like Mexico, since they elected a loser called Donald Trump, who refuses to label the debt as a national emergency. It's too bad the Cult45 continues to give him a free pass with no consequence. As I said many times Justin is wasteful with our tax dollars, but Donald Trump is far worse, when it comes to deficit spending. So the new resistance word is "Cult45", because American conservatives have turned into a cult, instead of individuals who can think for themselves.

[Guest ProudConservative]

7 hours ago, SkyHigh said:

Fire may be a little strong, but to disband the unions of non-essential workers and bring in a independent consultant, to evaluate what is needed, and to rearrange the public sector to be more merit based would definitely save us some money.

Now this statement just shows an ignorance to the reality. I was fortunate enough to spend some time in the far north for work, My responsibilities involved participating in band councils and other meetings between different levels of government. 

Putting aside those that are corrupt or those simply of bad faith( on both sides) I can promise you they don't want "free money". 

From my perspective the phrase " the road to hell is paved with good intentions" comes to mind. Often we from "the south" ( I literally laughed the first time they refered to Edmonton as the south) try and do the right thing but are grossly misinformed about not only there needs but their way of life. 

I specifically had more than one conversation with people saying " I don't need another snowmobile, i need employment opportunities. You can't work 9-5 as you said if there's no jobs to be found. What we do is send money to ease our conscience without actually considering their reality. Money as we understand it doesn't hold the same weight up north

Then you give a speach in the House of Commons, offering natives a one time chance to get out. The government will assist in your reallocation from the reserves, and guarentee you a job and subsidized housing for the first year. For those who refuse to leave, let it be know that the government will stop all forms of public assistance to these communities, and life will become an absolute nightmare, unless their willing to live in igloos and hunt seals.

I've hung around the native communities, and I can tell you... Their very good at playing the victim card, that's how the continue the gravey train. It's very simple, if you can't be self sufficient in the north, than you have no right to be there. Say what you want about immigrants, but at least most of the brown people come to this country are getting themselves jobs.

Also, where did they get money for a snowmobile, and who's paying for their Gas? We are all suppose to feel sorry for them, when we have homeless people living under bridges. At least the have free cabins to live in, snowmobiles, free gas, and food.

Edited February 7, 2020 by ProudConservative

[taxme]

20 hours ago, ProudConservative said:

The conservatives in this country have gone down the rabit hole. None of them seem to be serious about taking down the debt. Unlike America which has reached the point of no return, Canada has a great opportunity to get its Finances under control. We should also prepare for America to become a failed State like Mexico, since they elected a loser called Donald Trump, who refuses to label the debt as a national emergency. It's too bad the Cult45 continues to give him a free pass with no consequence. As I said many times Justin is wasteful with our tax dollars, but Donald Trump is far worse, when it comes to deficit spending. So the new resistance word is "Cult45", because American conservatives have turned into a cult, instead of individuals who can think for themselves.

The conservative party might as well be in bed with the Libranos. They both are one and the same. The only party that has made any sense at all in this country is The People's Party of Canada and Maxine Bernier who has said that he is in favor of the many things I mentioned above be eliminated or abolished. Hundreds of billions of our tax dollars could be saved if only those I mentioned are gone for good. It is safe to say that trillions of our tax dollars have been blown on so many useless leftist liberal and socialists programs and agendas that has not done one dam good thing for Canada. 

The American debt is being worked on by Trump. Our Canadian debt is not being worked on at all. As a matter of fact, our debt is going up every year, despite the lies that the bought off Canadian tells us all. When Trudeau gives 50 million of our tax dollars to outfits like MasterCard, and other corporate bums, and hundreds of millions given away to other countries, what that tells me is that your dear leader Emperor Trudeau does not give a chit about the Canadian debt. He just wants to add more to the debt, the bloody fool. And I am sure that MasterCard just loves handing over more borrowed money to Trudeau to go blow on all of us stupid programs like helping legal and illegal so called refugees. When will some of those bone headed Canadians out there ever wake up and smell the dam coffee? 

[cannuck]

On 2/6/2020 at 6:46 AM, dialamah said:

We, as in "we colonists", forced aboriginals onto these "remote communities", literally making them ask permission to leave for the day, and if caught "off res" without a pass, putting them in jail.  This was officially in place until the 1940s, so its within living memory.  And until the 60s, leaving the reserve to work or attend post-secondary education meant they'd lose their status and the right to return to the reserve.  

So what we have is a situation where we forced people off huge territories,  onto small plots of land, essentially imprisoning them there, denying them the ability to leave and return at will.  So, they've tried to make homes there, because what choice did they have?

But now, we've forgotten all that and blame them for "not leaving" and demand that they again leave the place they've (been forced) to call home since the 1800s.

Sure, we weren't making the decisions to put them on reserves and refusing to let them leave.  But that doesn't give us the right to blame them for being on reserve now, and use the same kind of bullying tactics we used to put them on reserves, to make them leave now. 

"WE" did not do that, Her F#cking Majesty did, and HFM should damn well pick up the tab.

[SkyHigh]

On 2/6/2020 at 4:25 PM, Zeitgeist said:

I agree on the most part, but there is an important consideration:  If there are no jobs in the community, it may be necessary to leave it.  This is the problem with trying to cordon of parts of the country as little preserves of the past.  There are ways of protecting cultures and values despite moving.  

Agreed, I wouldn't take any option off the table. In fact I don't even think that bringing employment opportunities to some of the smallest most remote communities would even be feasible. To go a step further, in many case asking them to adapt to the reality of the 21st century, in my opinion in no way is an affront to their culture or values. What is important is whatever solution we do find is done "with" them and not "to" them

[SkyHigh]

On 2/6/2020 at 7:17 PM, ProudConservative said:

Then you give a speach in the House of Commons

Are you offering to finance and run my campaign for PM? There is a party leader position open.

 

On 2/6/2020 at 7:17 PM, ProudConservative said:

The government will assist in your reallocation from the reserves, and guarentee you a job and subsidized housing for the first year.

That could work for some but obviously not for all.

 

On 2/6/2020 at 7:17 PM, ProudConservative said:

I've hung around the native communities

No idea who these "natives" you hang around with are, but the people I was around, both indigenous and white were elders and community leaders, and they most assuredly neither played victim nor are they on any train.

 

On 2/6/2020 at 7:17 PM, ProudConservative said:

where did they get money for a snowmobile,

Again, this just illustrates your ignorance on the subject, no body is "giving them money for snowmobiles", in some cases no money changes hands, to simplify it essentially vouchers are given based on what Ottawa "thinks" would help.