On the use of violence against those peacefully expressing views with which one disagrees.

[Guest]

8 minutes ago, eyeball said:

I'd include jailing politicians who lie to that list, failing that however I'd smack 'em a shovel.

You could put it in their job description.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

The Queen's Peace can impose upon far more than that, anything that violates the Queen's Peace can be silenced in Canada, it's an Iron Curtain against American Freedom, since 1812

If the Queen won't come by and stop the next door neighbour playing country music on Canada Day, she can shove her peace.

[Dougie93]

8 minutes ago, bcsapper said:

If the Queen won't come by and stop the next door neighbour playing country music on Canada Day, she can shove her peace.

The Queen will come and stop me from playing my country music if my neighbor requests it, we have a strict 24 hr noise by law here, but my neighbors love me and I love them, so we don't rat each other out to the wo-man.

Yeehaw, crank it, cousins.

 

Edited August 19, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

They don't rat me out for my New Wave music neither.

This one goes out to Perfidious Albion, Dieu et mon droit.

 

[Dougie93]

This one goes out to The Right Honorable The Prime Minister.   '

Chaos is a ladder, just watch me.

 

[Dougie93]

See, I don't chafe against the Queen's Peace, I am a freedom lover, but there can be no freedom without hard men prepared to do violence on your behalf standing on the walls of the burg, and those men must be loyal to their oaths, they sacrifice their freedom, to take personal responsibility for the body politic, as agnostic servants of the Crown, so rabble rouser as I may be against the corruption of the Post National State Fake Country Potemkin Village, when push comes to shove, I don't buck my chain of command.

 

[bush_cheney2004]

6 hours ago, OftenWrong said:

No one suggested jailing for that. Nonetheless speech is powerful, and your ideas about letting expression run wild  and free have been refuted with examples by me and others. Absolutes cannot stand.

 

Speech is powerful, which is why it is protected as a constitutional right in the United States.     Your examples do not win the day before the U.S. Supreme Court.

[OftenWrong]

21 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

Your examples do not win the day before the U.S. Supreme Court.

Up until now, but things may need to change in the near future. Fake news has become an ever more important issue, with some countries passing laws to ban to criminalize it. I don't know to what extent these laws go. In the U.S., many states have enacted laws against bullying and harassment, including cyber-bullying. 

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Up until now, but things may need to change in the near future. Fake news has become an ever more important issue, with some countries passing laws to ban to criminalize it. I don't know to what extent these laws go. In the U.S., many states have enacted laws against bullying and harassment, including cyber-bullying. 

Things won't change, the SCOTUS conservative majority is locked in, they will strike down criminalization of free speech because bullying. Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

17 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Things won't change, the SCOTUS conservative majority is locked in, they will strike down criminalization of free speech because bullying. Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

Big Daddy Trump mission accomplished.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Big Daddy Trump mission accomplished.

Once Trump replaces RBG, then the free speech banners are truly screwed for decades, and they are pretty screwed as it is.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

Once Trump replaces RBG, then the free speech banners are truly screwed for decades.

At 6 - 3 the conservatives can remake America.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

At 6 - 3 the conservatives can remake America.

Especially if Trump has the balls to replace and RBG with an Amy Coney Barrett type.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

21 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Things won't change, the SCOTUS conservative majority is locked in, they will strike down criminalization of free speech because bullying. Wishful thinking is a helluva drug.

What wishful thinking? Those laws I described are already passed.

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

What wishful thinking? Those laws I described are already passed.

They will be struck down by the SCOTUS. 5-4 conservative majority, means that sh*t is dead in the water. You can pass all the free speech hating laws you want, it won't go anywhere.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They will be struck down by the SCOTUS. 5-4 conservative majority, means that sh*t is dead in the water.

State laws?

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

State laws?

The SCOTUS can shoot down unconstitutional state laws at their pleasure. Didn't you know that? Once these anti-bullying laws make their way to the SCOTUS, they are dead on arrival.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

The SCOTUS can shoot down unconstitutional state laws at their pleasure. Didn't you know that?

Sure they will. 

[OftenWrong]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They will be struck down by the SCOTUS. 5-4 conservative majority, means that sh*t is dead in the water. You can pass all the free speech hating laws you want, it won't go anywhere.

Nice revision.

Speaking of wishful thinking, let us know when they get around to it.

[Yzermandius19]

1 minute ago, OftenWrong said:

Sure they will. 

5-4 conservative majority means your free speech hating anti-bullying laws are dead on arrival. I can count, can you?

[OftenWrong]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

5-4 conservative majority means your free speech hating anti-bullying laws are dead on arrival. I can count, can you?

And they're gonna do it too. Any day now, Omni.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Nice revision.

Speaking of wishful thinking, let us know when they get around to it.

They'll get around to it when it works it's way through the courts, the same as they always do. It not being struck down immediately is not a sign it won't be struck down, you just wish it was.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

They'll get around to it when it works it's way through the courts, the same as they always do. It not being struck down immediately is not a sign it won't be struck down.

Add Amy Coney Barrett and they can go after anything, they will go after the leftist holy grail of abortion itself, cue the shrieking

Edited August 20, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Add Amy Coney Barrett and they can go after anything, they will go after the leftist holy grail of abortion itself, cue the shrieking

Abortion shouldn't a federal issue anyway, 10th amendment says that's an issue that should be left to the states.

Bring on the shrieking, Roe v. Wade is a garbage decision. Not that I care that much one way or the other, 6-3 is more useful when it comes to other issues, triggering lefties on abortion is simply icing on the cake.

Edited August 20, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Abortion shouldn't a federal issue anyway, 10th amendment says that's a states rights thing. Bring on the shrieking, Roe v. Wade is a garbage decision.

At 6-3 the Gorsuch Court will be overthrowing all sorts of garbage, speech and guns have been secured, but if they don't have to rely on Roberts,  I think the conservatives will be activist in overthrowing decades of activism.   The rule of the New Dealers is finally coming to an end.