Handguns and Assault Rifles

[Rue]

16 hours ago, Dougie93 said:

I know lots of people who hunt deer with shotgun, first of all, not all deer hunting is for sport, there is culls as well, but also slug hunting deer is quite popular.

A lot of guys don't own both a shotgun and a rifle, so they hunt everything with their shotgun.

Not to mention archers with those powerful cross bows which are as deadly and accurate as they get.

I have used an air horn  with a bear that got to near a camp ground because the assholes left bacon grease everywhere were panicking and I had to paddle across to the idiots, I prefer an air  horn. Most bears leave with an air horn. Likewise bush wolves. The thing I am genuinely afraid of is a moose full flight headed to the lake chased by black flies. Nothing is gonna stop that and you get the phack out of the way. Mostly in the woods I don't eat much. I can survive on the berries and fish and plants and fruit  and  I can eat grasshoppers, frogs, slugs- they don't bug me to eat. I just won't eat snakes-too rubbery. I don't like rabbit or duck and the few wild turkeys or pheasants I have run into know I won't shoot them they just give me that guilty tree hugger look and leave.Then again I do not go out in hunting or mating season. I know better. I also know better than to stand between any mother and her cubs or  kittens.

To me people with guns in cities are a bad mix. I don't like people let alone people with guns. We are evil, destructive, arrogant sheeyats when we have weapons. These last few days in the US just reminds me how phacked up their society is when it comes to defining rights by owning a gun. In my world rights come from privileges and privileges come from understanding every choice we make impacts on all other life forms.Most people today are caught up in the immediate benefit to themselves of a decision and what material comfort or identity confirmation that decision brings them and stop at that. Its self centered narcissism. Calling everyone who shoots people mentally ill is too easy. Millions upon millions of mentally ill people never pick up a gun or hurt anyone. Simply slapping on mental illness to what they do or creating conspiracies is a way we try put a reason to something that has no reason.

 

 

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, WestCanMan said:

IMO that works against it in this context, because easy to use makes it more effective for noobs.

I would agree that the bullpup is not as good as the armalite for an elite shooter, as the bullpup isn't quite as accurate as a rifle with the sights further down the barrel. The close-in advantage of a bullpup is somewhat negated when your troops have breeching charges, stun grenades and all that other fun stuff, but nothing in a SF soldier's kit replaces the armalite's ability to take out a target at long range, or a target that's in an area with a lot of civilians. They also have a bit more room to add secondary weapons and bigger scopes, etc on an armalite.  

An elite shooter can make anything work, but the Bullpup is not superior to the Armalite carbine for CQC, you're are mistaken as to what the point of the Bullpup is, it's not for CQC, it's for making it easier to mount and dismount with it from an armored vehicle.

The Tavor is not for Commandos, it's for Mechanized Infantry fighting from the Namer IFV, which is what most of the IDF is.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[Dougie93]

11 minutes ago, Rue said:

To me people with guns in cities are a bad mix. I don't like people let alone people with guns. We are evil, destructive, arrogant sheeyats when we have weapons.

As a classical liberal limited government conservative, I believe in freedom and autonomy from the state, and as such, I reject the notion that the violence inherent to Canada is about the guns, the violence in Canada is a result of Canada being a racist apartheid police state which represses the lower classes, reducing them to poverty, at which point they become desperate and that desperation leads to violence, and then that violence leads to gangsterism as the gang is the only thing which can protect you, when you are reduced to living in the hood.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

1 hour ago, Dougie93 said:

The Liberals are nothing if not calculating, they've done the polling, as Goodale said yesterday "Canadians are deeply divided on this issue"

That's code for saying that if they go too far it favors the Conservatives.

Gun grabbers have nowhere else to go, so the Liberals don't have to do much about it, because what are gun grabbers going to do? 

Vote for the Cons? Vote for the NDP which is a vote for the Cons? No. 

So the Liberals are in the sweet spot,  and I don't think they want to mess with it.

Paul Martin ignored the sweet spot, went big on the gun control in 2005, look where it got him. Trudeau knows, or at least, he should.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Paul Martin ignored the sweet spot, look where it got him. Trudeau knows, or at least, he should.

I think they are slaves to their polling, and their polling is telling them that what Toronto wants is not popular outside of Toronto, and since they have Toronto already, it does them no good to try to impose what Toronto wants on the rest, because that simply drives them to the Cons, doesn't gain any votes in Toronto, but it loses votes all over the place everywhere else.

[Yzermandius19]

If Trump caves to the Democrats again on gun control, like he did with the bump stocks post-Vegas, it's a big mistake.

The only people who would like it are Democrats who won't vote for him anyway, Republicans will vote for him anyway because there is nowhere for the pro-gun crowd to go, but they'll hate it and it will reduce his base's enthusiasm, and it will lose him swing votes in key swing states.

Don't shoot yourself in the foot here Donald, resist the New York Liberal Gun Grabbing temptation.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

Just now, Yzermandius19 said:

If Trump caves to the Democrats again on gun control, like he did with the bump stocks post-Vegas, it's a big mistake.
 

I think Trump can get away with it, because it's not like his base has anywhere else to go, all the Trump supporters we know overlooked his gun grabbing platform in the last election, except for one, who remained a Trump supporter even though he voted Libertarian and he's probably voting for Trump this time around.   I don't expect the Never Trumps nor Libertarian will swing the election.

[Yzermandius19]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

I think Trump can get away with it, because it's not like his base has anywhere else to go, all the Trump supporters we know overlooked his gun grabbing platform in the last election, except for one, who remained a Trump supporter even though he voted Libertarian and he's probably voting for Trump this time around.   I don't expect the Never Trumps nor Libertarian will swing the election.

It'll cost him swing votes though. Not a wise play, no one cares about bump stocks, further concessions will piss a lot more people off.

[Dougie93]

6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

It'll cost him swing votes though. Not a wise play, no one cares about bump stocks, further concessions will piss a lot more people off.

Nobody cares about bump stocks on the gun rights side, bump stocks are dumb, if you want to have automatic like fire while complying with the National Firearms Act, every shooter worth his salt knows that binary triggers are the way to go. 

For the uninitiated, a binary trigger fires both when you pull and release,  it's not automatic, it's just really fast semi-automatic fire, which is entirely legal under the NFA.

[Yzermandius19]

8 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Nobody cares about bump stocks on the gun rights side, bump stocks are dumb, if you want to have automatic like fire while complying with the National Firearms Act, every shooter worth his salt knows that binary triggers are the way to go. 

For the uninitiated, a binary trigger fires both when you pull and release,  it's not automatic, it's just really fast semi-automatic fire, which is entirely legal under the NFA.

This time he's going farther than bump stocks though, there has been talk about Red Flag Laws and sh*t, and you know lefties are going to abuse that to claim any right winger that pisses them off is crazy and should have their guns taken away, and some lefty judges will actually agree with them.

Trump shouldn't cave to Democrats on gun control, it wins him no voters and only loses them, DNC and GOP are locked in regardless of what he does, but it doesn't play well with swing voters. It's a bad move, he can get away with it, but it will be to his detriment, not to his advantage.

Giving the lefties their bump stock ban is no big deal, giving the lefties much more important concessions will hurt him though, and prove that he'll continue to cave after every single major mass shooting and give up bigger and bigger concessions every time.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

This time he's going farther than bump stocks though, there has been talk about Red Flag Laws and sh*t, and you know lefties are going to abuse that to claim any right winger that pisses them off is crazy and should have their guns taken away, and some lefty judges will actually agree with them.

Trump shouldn't cave to Democrats on gun control, it wins him no voters and only loses them, DNC and GOP are locked in regardless of what he does, but it doesn't play well with swing voters. It's a bad move, he can get away with it, but it will be to his detriment, not to his advantage.

Trump needs to cave to Democrats to a certain degree, because they make up a large portion of his base, he's fighting for Ohio here, he has to throw the Blue Wall some bones to demonstrate that he's not a died in the wool conservative at all, he's a nationalist, but he's still a New York liberal with a concern for the little guy, that's the secret of Trumpism, Trumpism is not conservative, it's a protectionist interventionist big government, without being Progressive. 

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Trump needs to cave to Democrats to a certain degree, because they make up a large portion of his base, he's fighting for Ohio here, he has to throw the Blue Wall some bones to demonstrate that he's not a died in the wool conservative at all, he's a nationalist, but he's still a New York liberal with a concern for the little guy, that's the secret of Trumpism, Trumpism is not conservative, it's a protectionist interventionist big government, without being Progressive. 

The Blue Wall likes gun control enough to win him votes for caving on that? I don't recall his gun grabbing being popular in the Midwest battlegrounds in 2016, must have missed that one.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

And the Conservatives could execute the same maneuver here with guns as well, there is plenty of room in Canadian gun laws to liberalize them, while still maintaining a comprehensive gun control regime, the Cons here are simply craven cowards in the face of the shrieking Toronto state propaganda arm.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

The Blue Wall likes gun control enough to win him votes for caving on that?

Ohio is not Nevada, it's not that Ohio is against the second amendment, but I doubt they care about automatic like rifle fire, I'm sure they are fine with just plain old semi-automatic.

Like I don't even care about bump stocks, bump stocks are junk.

[Yzermandius19]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

And the Conservatives could execute the same maneuver here with guns as well, there is plenty of room in Canadian gun laws to liberalize them, while still maintaining a comprehensive gun control regime, the Cons here are simply craven cowards in the face of the shrieking Toronto state propaganda arm.

I dunno man, I don't think that would play that well in Southern Ontario.

[Yzermandius19]

5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Ohio is not Nevada, it's not that Ohio is against the second amendment, but I doubt they care about automatic like rifle fire, I'm sure they are fine with just plain old semi-automatic.

Like I don't even care about bump stocks, bump stocks are junk.

This isn't just bump stocks dude, you keep overlooking that. I'm talking about the new concessions he might be planning on making, not the old ones no one cares about, not even the NRA.

Trump should let them have them have the bump stocks, but he needs to stop caving every mass shooting while the Democrats keep demanding more and more, he's got to the draw the line somewhere. The time to do that is now, not after he caves again and actually makes a meaningful concession instead of just a token concession.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

This isn't just bump stocks dude, you keep overlooking that. I'm talking about the new concessions he might be planning on making, not the old ones no one cares about, not even the NRA.

Trump is expendable in the end, whatever federal overreach gun laws are passed, I expect the Gorsuch court to overthrow them, Trump has already served his purpose, the conservatives have the SCOTUS, Roberts might cuck on abortion, but he's not gonna cuck on the 2A

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Trump is expendable in the end, whatever federal overreach gun laws are passed, I expect the Gorsuch court to overthrow them, Trump has already served his purpose, the conservatives have the SCOTUS, Roberts might cuck on abortion, but he's not gonna cuck on the 2A

Yeah well Trump may be expendable, but that still doesn't make it wise for Trump to give up anything more than token concessions to the Democrats on gun control. If he wants to increase his chances of losing though, then go right ahead New York Gun Grabbing Liberal, shoot yourself in the foot.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah well Trump may be expendable, but that still doesn't make it wise for Trump to give up anything more than token concessions to the Democrats on gun control. If he wants to increase his chances of losing though, then go right ahead New York Gun Grabbing Liberal, be an idiot.

Also bear in mind, on things like guns, Joe Biden is not nearly as left wing as Barack Obama, so if Biden were to win, I think he would differentiate himself as a 2A Democrat rather than a Progressive.   Biden is not a Progressive, Biden is an old school liberal.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Dougie93

[Yzermandius19]

4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Also bear in mind, on things like guns, Joe Biden is not nearly as left wing as Barack Obama, so if Biden were to win, I think he would differentiate himself as a 2A Democrat rather than a Progressive.   Biden is not a Progressive, Biden is an old school liberal.

Yeah Biden is less of a gun grabber than Obama, that's certainly true, but he seems to have a penchant for caving to the far-left, and I think he could totally cave to them on guns as well, fooled into thinking that's the way to win the election while he's actually shooting himself in the foot.

If Biden gets elected he might not deliver on that promise, but then again, you never know.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said:

Yeah Biden is less of a gun grabber than Obama, that's certainly true, but he seems to have a penchant for caving to the far-left, and I think he could totally cave to them on guns as well, fooled into thinking that's the way to win the election while he's actually shooting himself in the foot.

If Biden gets elected he might not deliver on that promise, but then again, you never know.

I don't think Biden would want to be sidelined like Obama was, Biden will try to reach out to the GOP in congress in order to get things done, the best way to do that, and in fact the only way to do that, is to be a 1A/2A old school liberal rather than a shrieking nanny state Progressive.

[Yzermandius19]

6 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I don't think Biden would want to be sidelined like Obama was, Biden will try to reach out to the GOP in congress in order to get things done, the best way to do that, and in fact the only way to do that, is to be a 1A/2A old school liberal rather than a shrieking nanny state Progressive.

I suppose, but Biden keeps caving to the nanny state progressives these days, maybe it's all a ruse for the primary, or maybe Biden just can't stand the shrieking anymore, either way, not terribly encouraging signs he plans on running as 1A/2A old school liberal that he should run as, both for the good of America and for his chances of getting elected.

Biden might be trapped in the twitter bubble that every well known Democrat seems to be in these days, and perceive that twitter is actually reflective of the wider electorate, when it's just a fringe vocal minority in reality. 

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said:

I suppose, but Biden keeps caving to the nanny state progressives these days, maybe it's all a ruse for the primary, or maybe Biden just can't stand the shrieking anymore, either way, not terribly encouraging signs he plans on running as 1A/2A old school liberal that he should run as, both for the good of America and for his chances of getting elected.

Whatevs, there's still going to be plenty of assault rifles available, even if the shrieking Progressives win, so whoop dee do.

[WestCanMan]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

To me people with guns in cities are a bad mix. I don't like people let alone people with guns. We are evil, destructive, arrogant sheeyats when we have weapons. 

LMAO. So true.

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We are evil, destructive, arrogant sheeyats when we have weapons. 

The really sad part is, that's the only true judge of our character - what we do when we're in a position of power.

If Iran suddenly got their hands on a superweapon, Israel would instantly be flat and the whole world would be kneeling 7 times a day. 

[Yzermandius19]

3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Whatevs, there's still going to be plenty of assault rifles available, even if the shrieking Progressives win, so whoop dee do.

Well they won't, so no need to worry about that anyway. Running on a gun grabbing platform is not a winning strategy, someone who pretends to be pro-second amendment but wants to grab as many guns as possible would have a lot more success.

Edited August 8, 2019 by Yzermandius19