Time to take on far-right terrorists

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said:

I just quoted Hitler to you.

...and I quoted Hitler to you. You are silly. Not worth my time. <_<

DogOnPorch · March 26, 2019

Just now, Realitycheck said:

...and I quoted Hitler to you. You are silly. Not worth my time.

Good.

Argus · March 26, 2019

1 minute ago, Realitycheck said:

The absolute defence against a change of libel, is truth. https://catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2017/07/13/the-harrowing-untold-story-of-the-priests-in-dachau/,

Your own cite says nothing whatsoever about those priests being in Dachau because the Vatican sent them there.

DogOnPorch · March 26, 2019

Just now, Argus said:

Your own cite says nothing whatsoever about those priests being in Dachau because the Vatican sent them there.

They're a few cards short of a deck, both of them.

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

1 minute ago, Argus said:

Your own cite says nothing whatsoever about those priests being in Dachau because the Vatican sent them there.

Site. So? They were there for opposing Nazism. Had the RCC not also supported Nazism, they priests would never have been sent there.

Argus · March 26, 2019

Just now, Realitycheck said:

Site. So? They were there for opposing Nazism. Had the RCC not also supported Nazism, they priests would never have been sent there.

That's a moronic reply. The RCC supported Nazism so the Nazis sent Catholic priests to concentration camps - for opposing Nazism?

Get the hell out of here.

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

1 minute ago, Argus said:

That's a moronic reply. The RCC supported Nazism so the Nazis sent Catholic priests to concentration camps - for opposing Nazism?

Get the hell out of here.

Try some reading comprehension. The priest were sent there for OPPOSING naziism. You appear to be as thick as whatisname. <_<

Argus · March 26, 2019

13 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Try some reading comprehension. The priest were sent there for OPPOSING naziism. You appear to be as thick as whatisname.

Your claim was "The church even had it's own death camps where, among other victims, priests who had the temerity to stand up to the church were sent and killed."

That's complete bullshit, and now you're saying they were sent there for opposing Nazism. Maybe you've got a memory issue, comrade.

DogOnPorch · March 26, 2019

46 minutes ago, Argus said:

Your claim was "The church even had it's own death camps where, among other victims, priests who had the temerity to stand up to the church were sent and killed."

That's complete bullshit, and now you're saying they were sent there for opposing Nazism. Maybe you've got a memory issue, comrade.

Table Talk is pretty clear on Der Fuhrer's position on Christianity...and many other things. He always sought the angle that furthered the Nazi Party...not one that...heh...preserved European Civilization. Far from it. This was a ticked-off fellow Hell bent on bringing the whole rotten edifice...as he termed Old Europe...down in flames with the new Greater Germany arising from said ashes.

Apparently the German version is the way to go for complete accuracy...but the English version is compiled by Hugh Trevor Roper whom you've likely heard of if into history at all.

Edited March 26, 2019 by DogOnPorch

Zeitgeist · March 26, 2019

2 hours ago, Realitycheck said:

Historical fact is dis-information? How so? Just because facts and history go against your beliefs?

If you’re referring to Pope Pius 12 looking the other way at times on Nazism to increase his influence, such a move was behind behind the scenes and against the principles of the Catholic Church and the practices of the vast majority of its members. The article you cited makes this clear:

“In his political testament, Mein Kampf, he [Hitler] had recollected that his fear of Catholicism went back to his vagabond days in Vienna. The fact that German Catholics, politically united by the Center Party, had defeated Bismarck’s Kulturkampf—the “culture struggle” against the Catholic Church in the 1870s—constantly worried him. He was convinced that his movement could succeed only if political Catholicism and its democratic networks were eliminated.

Hitler’s fear of the Catholic Church was well grounded. Into the early 1930s the German Center Party, the German Catholic bishops, and the Catholic media had been mainly solid in their rejection of National Socialism. They denied Nazis the sacraments and church burials, and Catholic journalists excoriated National Socialism daily in Germany’s 400 Catholic newspapers. The hierarchy instructed priests to combat National Socialism at a local level whenever it attacked Christianity. The Munich-based weekly Der Gerade Weg(The Straight Path) told its readers, “Adolf Hitler preaches the law of lies. You who have fallen victim to the deceptions of one obsessed with despotism, wake up!”

Edited March 26, 2019 by Zeitgeist

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

27 minutes ago, Argus said:

Your claim was "The church even had it's own death camps where, among other victims, priests who had the temerity to stand up to the church were sent and killed."

That's complete bullshit, and now you're saying they were sent there for opposing Nazism. Maybe you've got a memory issue, comrade.

Not my problem if you can't understand basic English composition. Chew on this: http://orthochristian.com/114594.html "Jasenovac was not the only concentration camp. There was also the Jadovno camp where, according to various estimates, between 45,000 and 75,000 people were killed. About 70,000 people (mainly women) were exterminated at the Stara Gradiska Concentration Camp. It is noteworthy that the latter was run by… Catholic nuns."

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

7 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

If you’re referring to Pope Pius 12 looking the other way at times on Nazism to increase his influence, such a move was behind behind the scenes and against the principles of the Catholic Church and the practices of the vast majority of its members. The article you cited makes this clear:

“In his political testament, Mein Kampf, he [Hitler] had recollected that his fear of Catholicism went back to his vagabond days in Vienna. The fact that German Catholics, politically united by the Center Party, had defeated Bismarck’s Kulturkampf—the “culture struggle” against the Catholic Church in the 1870s—constantly worried him. He was convinced that his movement could succeed only if political Catholicism and its democratic networks were eliminated.

Hitler’s fear of the Catholic Church was well grounded. Into the early 1930s the German Center Party, the German Catholic bishops, and the Catholic media had been mainly solid in their rejection of National Socialism.

In his political testament, Mein Kampf, he had recollected that his fear of Catholicism went back to his vagabond days in Vienna. The fact that German Catholics, politically united by the Center Party, had defeated Bismarck’s Kulturkampf—the “culture struggle” against the Catholic Church in the 1870s—constantly worried him. He was convinced that his movement could succeed only if political Catholicism and its democratic networks were eliminated.

Hitler’s fear of the Catholic Church was well grounded. Into the early 1930s the German Center Party, the German Catholic bishops, and the Catholic media had been mainly solid in their rejection of National Socialism. They denied Nazis the sacraments and church burials, and Catholic journalists excoriated National Socialism daily in Germany’s 400 Catholic newspapers. The hierarchy instructed priests to combat National Socialism at a local level whenever it attacked Christianity. The Munich-based weekly Der Gerade Weg(The Straight Path) told its readers, “Adolf Hitler preaches the law of lies. You who have fallen victim to the deceptions of one obsessed with despotism, wake up!”

What is this above from, some Catholic apologist site? "

After the Nazis came to power in Germany, they signed an agreement (Concordat) with the Catholic Church whereby the Vatican would accept the Nazi government in return for the Nazis not interfering with the Catholic Church.

In 1939 Eugenio Pacelli was elected Pope Pius XII. As head of the Catholic Church during the war years, he signed the Concordat with Nazi Germany. The Catholic Church, as an organisation, did not protest against any of the anti-Jewish policies of the Nazi state.

The Pope believed that primarily it was his duty to save and look after Catholics. Nevertheless, in 1939, he did obtain 3,000 visas to Brazil for Jews who had been baptised in the belief that these people were now Christian. But the Nazis defined Jews racially, even though they had converted, and believed they were still Jews.

The Vatican knew of the murder of the Jews very early on, as they had religious representatives in all of the occupied countries. Certain individual priests saved Jews but the Church, as an official body, did nothing significant to save the Jews of Europe." https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/responses-1933-1945/what-did-individuals-do/how-did-the-catholic-church-respond/

Zeitgeist · March 26, 2019

11 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

What is this above from, some Catholic apologist site? "

After the Nazis came to power in Germany, they signed an agreement (Concordat) with the Catholic Church whereby the Vatican would accept the Nazi government in return for the Nazis not interfering with the Catholic Church.

In 1939 Eugenio Pacelli was elected Pope Pius XII. As head of the Catholic Church during the war years, he signed the Concordat with Nazi Germany. The Catholic Church, as an organisation, did not protest against any of the anti-Jewish policies of the Nazi state.

The Pope believed that primarily it was his duty to save and look after Catholics. Nevertheless, in 1939, he did obtain 3,000 visas to Brazil for Jews who had been baptised in the belief that these people were now Christian. But the Nazis defined Jews racially, even though they had converted, and believed they were still Jews.

The Vatican knew of the murder of the Jews very early on, as they had religious representatives in all of the occupied countries. Certain individual priests saved Jews but the Church, as an official body, did nothing significant to save the Jews of Europe." https://www.theholocaustexplained.org/responses-1933-1945/what-did-individuals-do/how-did-the-catholic-church-respond/

I was quoting from the article you cited!!! Read what you cite.

So the truth comes out: You’re a Serb nationalist. Shall we discuss Serb atrocities in Bosnia? No doubt there were so called Catholics in Croatia involved in atrocities towards the Serbs because Croatia is a majority Catholic country and was part of the Austro Hungarian Empire. We know about the slaughters on both the Croatian and Serbian sides.

Edited March 26, 2019 by Zeitgeist

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

I was quoting from the article you cited!!! Read what you cite.

So the truth comes out: You’re a Serb nationalist. Shall we discuss Serb atrocities in Bosnia? No doubt there were so called Catholics in Croatia involved in atrocities towards the Serbs because Croatia is a majority Catholic country and was part of the Austro Hungarian Empire. We know about the slaughters on both the Croatian and Serbian sides.

When you jump to conclusions, you risk contusions. :lol:

Zeitgeist · March 26, 2019

Just now, Realitycheck said:

When you jump to conclusions, you risk contusions.

So which is it, Communist Party of China, Serb nationalist, or Serb communist nationalist?

Realitycheck · March 26, 2019

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

So which is it, Communist Party of China, Serb nationalist, or Serb communist nationalist?

None of those. Just a seeker of truth with no political affiliations.

Zeitgeist · March 26, 2019

Just now, Realitycheck said:

None of those. Just a seeker of truth with no political affiliations.

Then do deep research from balanced sources. I’m afraid you’re leaning on a pro-Serb Orthodox position. Yes, people who considered themselves Catholic in Croatia committed atrocities. So have Orthodox Serbs.

Realitycheck · March 27, 2019

4 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Then do deep research from balanced sources. I’m afraid you’re leaning on a pro-Serb Orthodox position. Yes, people who considered themselves Catholic in Croatia committed atrocities. So have Orthodox Serbs.

Indeed. Religions has been causing grief and misery in that part of the world, as well as the rest of the world for as long as there has been religion. Imagine killing men, women and children over whose imaginary being is better? :huh:

marcus · March 27, 2019

2 hours ago, Argus said:

And yet we don't even interview prospective immigrants, and do not screen them for values or beliefs. Also, whereas immigrants in the US have a lower unemployment rates than Americans, Canadian immigrants have higher unemployment rates

There was a reason why Kellie Leitch never received more than 8% of votes in the Conservative leadership race. Because she had moronic ideas like the "value test". You want to spend millions of dollars on interviews? This is one of the stupidest ideas I have ever heard. You think someone who has opposing views to Canada's so-called values would mention what their real values are?

"Hey. Are you in favour of equal rights between men and women?"

"Totally!"

Zeitgeist · March 27, 2019

16 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Indeed. Religions has been causing grief and misery in that part of the world, as well as the rest of the world for as long as there has been religion. Imagine killing men, women and children over whose imaginary being is better?

Nazism wasn’t Christian. Nice try. What about Stalin’s Communist regime? Estimated to have murdered as many as 70 million people. Communist Pol Pot killed millions. China to my knowledge still commits infanticides through partial birth late term abortions. We’re talking 9 months old.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Zeitgeist

Realitycheck · March 27, 2019

1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said:

Nazism wasn’t Christian. Nice try. What about Stalin’s Communist regime? Estimated to have murdered as many as 70 million people. Communist Pol Pot killed millions China to my knowledge still commits infanticides through partial birth late term abortions. We’re talking 9 months old.

Hitler was xian and was supported by the Catholic Church. Throughout history religion has killed more than any other cayuse. Stalin was raised a catholic and came to hate religion as a result, Pol Pot was a Bhuddist. The god of the bible is very much in favour of killing children: https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights Fortunately no chldren were killed in this myth, but millions have been as a result of belief in this myth.

marcus · March 27, 2019

2 hours ago, Argus said:

Bullshit. All we need to do is better train our own workers. Canadian business lags behind the whole world in training and retraining workers because it's lazy - because it's come to rely on TFWs and floods of new immigrants. Take that crutch away and let them train people.

You have some of the worst ideas. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You expect 55 year old John O'Halloran, an ex-fisherman who is now out of a job to accept to be trained as a civil engineer for 4 years? Maybe a blockchain specialist?

We have thousands and thousands of job openings in not only in traditional markets but also emerging markets. These are jobs that need to be filled by educated individuals with experience. These are not jobs that you can just get a 2 week certificate in.

Also, we already have numerous federal and provincial programs that are giving incentives to people to start training in trades occupations in demand. You just don't know, because you think you have everything figured out in your head and are too stubborn and lazy to learn.

Our immigration system has its faults, but when compared to other Western countries, it's doing pretty well in bringing skilled workers in. I work with hundreds of small, medium and large businesses who are not able to find qualified workers in Canada. They are not able to go forwards in projects because they cannot find workers.

Your ideas harm Canadian businesses and the Canadian economy. I'm glad that even the Conservative party opposes your thoughts about immigration.

Edited March 27, 2019 by marcus

Zeitgeist · March 27, 2019

15 minutes ago, Realitycheck said:

Hitler was xian and was supported by the Catholic Church. Throughout history religion has killed more than any other cayuse. Stalin was raised a catholic and came to hate religion as a result, Pol Pot was a Bhuddist. The god of the bible is very much in favour of killing children: https://ffrf.org/component/k2/item/25602-abortion-rights Fortunately no chldren were killed in this myth, but millions have been as a result of belief in this myth.

You’re just wrong. The births of both Moses and Jesus took place when Pharoah and Herod issued edicts to murder first born males. Murder is a sin. The only biblical sanction of an infanticide was Abraham being asked by God to sacrifice Isaac as a test of his loyalty. God then tells Abraham he can sacrifice an animal instead. These stories are mostly metaphorical.

Be careful not to make false claims. Hitler was perhaps the antithesis of Christian. Pol Pot may have been raised Buddhist, but he became an atheist communist dictator. Stalin became an atheist communist. I say this not to condemn atheists. My point is that hate and murder have nothing to do with most religions and most brands of atheism and humanism. Don’t make spurious claims. Religion can be used for good or ill much like atheism. Twisted people twist. Some religions are healthier than others, however, just as some political ideologies are healthier than others.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Zeitgeist

marcus · March 27, 2019

3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said:

Religion can be used for good or ill much like atheism. Twisted people twist. Some religions are healthier than others, however, just as some political ideologies are healthier than others.

Couldn't agree more.

Argus · March 27, 2019

11 minutes ago, marcus said:

You have some of the worst ideas. You have no idea what you're talking about.

You expect 55 year old John O'Halloran, an ex-fisherman who is now out of a job to accept to be trained as a civil engineer for 4 years? Maybe a blockchain specialist?

No, but I expect John McHalloran, who just graduated from university with a degree in Computer Science to be hired and trained into what the employer needs, not forced to go south or take temp jobs doing coding cleanup for several years. Canadian business needs to invest more in training. Period. Instead they advertise a job demanding multiple years of experience with rock bottom salary and then go whine to government when they can't find anyone.

Edited March 27, 2019 by Argus