China corrupting Chinese immigrants in Canada

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Scott Mayers said:

Infiltrate: enter or gain access to (an organization, place, etc.) surreptitiously and gradually, especially in order to acquire secret information, power, etc.

Access secret information and or power to what purpose?

[Scott Mayers]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Indeed, Dieu et mon droit is the God of the Hebrews,  the Declaration of Independence is by deist Creator, none the less, any challenges to either will be met with appropriate force beginning at the threshold of the North Atlantic Security Zone, in the case of Canada, Western Approaches.

And Judaism's origin was 'secular', not originally religious! Their source was also borrowed directly of the collective of all other cultures and most prominently Egyptian's form of "multicultural' era. 

Morality is not derived from Gods; Gods are derived from people who want a means to command justification for their own selfish rules, especially when they lack unique moral distinction of their own rules and behavior in light of those they want to subdue with equal justification.

[Dougie93]

1 minute ago, Scott Mayers said:

And Judaism's origin was 'secular', not originally religious! Their source was also borrowed directly of the collective of all other cultures and most prominently Egyptian's form of "multicultural' era. 

Morality is not derived from Gods; Gods are derived from people who want a means to command justification for their own selfish rules, especially when they lack unique moral distinction of their own rules and behavior in light of those they want to subdue with equal justification.

Morality is indeed subjective, but even reduced to mere Homo Sapiens Sapiens territorial apex predator, I still defend and uphold my subjective reality by force,  in self defence, individually at the threshold of my property, collectively at the threshold of the North Atlantic Security Zone.

[Scott Mayers]

12 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Access secret information and or power to what purpose?

The North American market, its resources, etc. By utilizing the very laws we enable to set base here, they act as a consolidated 'private' owner more powerful than any of our own self-serving individuals or groups, including large corporations and our governments that lack the same cohesion.

Exploiting the concept of cultural isolationism that Multiculturalism has itself selfishly been devised to do is appropriate for any intellectually defined outside group that has numbers. They can use 'culture' as their justification for remaining distinct. Our laws basically permit one to 'own' their own relative immigrants and their progeny as they can uniquely impose segregate factors like language and religion as means to prevent their own from straying and to keep the outsiders from being allowed in. Just call their reasons for isolating, 'culture', and our laws cannot even rightfully penetrate them without exposing the actual agenda of the same by those segregationists hiding behind the smokescreen of 'diversity-lovers'.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Scott Mayers

[Dougie93]

Just now, Scott Mayers said:

The North American market, its resources, etc. By utilizing the very laws we enable to set base here, they act as a consolidated 'private' owner more powerful than any of our own self-serving individuals or groups, including large corporations and our governments that lack the same cohesion.

It's a free market, they can take their profits at Manhattan in dollars converted to gold as necessary, they do not impede me from doing so in anyway, so I'm not seeing the problem.

[Dougie93]

Also bear in mind, while Canadian Confederation (Canada) may not back me up by much force, the House of Windsor still does, and by the aforementioned Treaty of Paris 1763, Elizabeth Windsor is the legal title holder of all the territory of British North America, there are no property rights which supersede the God of the Hebrews and associated Dieu et mon droit, so in fact the People's Republic of China or any other, can actually do nothing more than Free Hold in right of Liz Windsor, the moment they are invoked as a national security threat, the Free Hold can be revoked on the spot, so in effect, nothing is actually ever sold to the Chinese here, all they can do is lease it.

Edited January 28, 2019 by Dougie93

[Scott Mayers]

38 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

It's a free market, they can take their profits at Manhattan in dollars converted to gold as necessary, they do not impede me from doing so in anyway, so I'm not seeing the problem.

That's because you are self-deluded [not a personal attack...a general one on your stance only] and believe your own powers of fortune are universally shared among the mass's power to do the same. China is acting as a powerful individual ONLY here, not in their own country. They are exploiting our stupidity. 

I am not blaming them, either. But I DO blame those of us here who cannot see what is actually the means that empowers them to uniquely be able to establish eventual power here. They are 'capitalizing' on our weakness by also exploiting our 'social' function here that supports Multiculturalism. We basically are permitting them, as with all other segregate groups from outside, to walk in and compete to take over Canada's economy while simultaneously dumping the debt to its non-affiliated members. They can inherit benefits uniquely but pass on debt universally!! ...because those that set up "Multiculturalism[TM]" precisely set it up for their own similar con.

And why do I care? Besides being outside of any and all culturally defined groups, the principles justify racism, sexism, and any other forms of bias based upon genetic heritage but disguised as mere environmental lifestyles based upon choice. It is the very cause of today's Nationalism which threatens the actual majority who sincerely believes in selecting their own 'culture' without reference to some genetic copyright being imposed upon them for 'borrowing' without paying tax. I care because the laws made in this standard are designed to favor either the present fortunate or the select people permitted to define who is or is not more deserving of reconciliation of past grievances by the same fortunate people. If you are not of these groups, you are disadvantaged by omission. People aren't 'numbers'. Yet the 'fix' is to impose hardship upon the non-affiliated, individualistic, and isolated people who threaten the concept of past cultures as these are what maintain the powers by plurality. 

Edited January 28, 2019 by Scott Mayers

[Scott Mayers]

27 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

Also bear in mind, while Canadian Confederation (Canada) may not back me up by much force, the House of Windsor still does, and by the aforementioned Treaty of Paris 1763, Elizabeth Windsor is the legal title holder of all the territory of British North America, there are no property rights which supersede the God of the Hebrews and associated Dieu et mon droit, so in fact the People's Republic of China or any other, can actually do nothing more than Free Hold in right of Liz Windsor, the moment they are invoked as a national security threat, the Free Hold can be revoked on the spot, so in effect, nothing is actually ever sold to the Chinese here, all they can do is lease it.

I don't think throwing a litigious piece of paper defined outside of China has any more respect of 'sovereign' official status to them. What matters is that given we are under a pretense of a system that claims to be universally accepting of culture by its constitution, our very own 'sovereign' law contradicts the right of China to be equally protected ironically under our own laws. If not, then something is amiss by our own people's standards should our own government attempt to exclude China. That is, IF China were to challenge any attempt at excluding them from taking root here in bad faith, they can expose our system as hypocritical by our very own 'illusion' of what Multiculturalism is being sold as. 

[Dougie93]

The Chinese are not bothering me,  nor do I defend and uphold Canada anymore, it's just my tethered tax jurisdiction, I have fulfilled the terms of the contract of unlimited liability in service of the Crown of Canada, I don't even invest in Canada, if the Chinese are dumb enough to sink money into Canada, more power to them, I don't have Canada as a buy, I have Canada as a sell.

[Zeitgeist]

10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Chinese are not bothering me,  nor do I defend and uphold Canada anymore, it's just my tethered tax jurisdiction, I have fulfilled the terms of the contract of unlimited liability in service of the Crown of Canada, I don't even invest in Canada, if the Chinese are dumb enough to sink money into Canada, more power to them, I don't have Canada as a buy, I have Canada as a sell.

Canada is the future.  

[Scott Mayers]

2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

The Chinese are not bothering me,  nor do I defend and uphold Canada anymore, it's just my tethered tax jurisdiction, I have fulfilled the terms of the contract of unlimited liability in service of the Crown of Canada, I don't even invest in Canada, if the Chinese are dumb enough to sink money into Canada, more power to them, I don't have Canada as a buy, I have Canada as a sell.

Okay. I understand. But I'm saying that it is a logically rational justification for China to conspire here whether in good or bad faith as with any other such interest. It should matter to you if even for your own self to some degree. If we all continue giving up (as I have an equal struggle at times too) how can the system be improved in a way that CAN appeal to you as a 'buy'? I'm trying to show how and why I believe our system is or will fail that on its surface appears by many to be the opposite. The Chinese are rightfully  justified in complaint against us for the recent activities because we are being hypocritical to our OWN defense of action that either requires addressing our Constitution or acting in good faith to our own claims of having some moral high ground.

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is the future.  

The future is a sad sack nanny socialist fake jobs welfare gulag run by Cultural Marxist dingbats?

I doubt that.   But as Canada goes down the tubes, I can take my capital to Nevada or wherever.  

 

[Dougie93]

2 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

Okay. I understand. But I'm saying that it is a logically rational justification for China to conspire here whether in good or bad faith as with any other such interest. It should matter to you if even for your own self to some degree. If we all continue giving up (as I have an equal struggle at times too) how can the system be improved in a way that CAN appeal to you as a 'buy'? I'm trying to show how and why I believe our system is or will fail that on its surface appears by many to be the opposite. The Chinese are rightfully  justified in complaint against us for the recent activities because we are being hypocritical to our OWN defense of action that either requires addressing our Constitution or acting in good faith to our own claims of having some moral high ground.

I simply walk tall, and trust in the Lord, when someone actually impedes me somehow, I will commence an escalation of force operation at that juncture, otherwise, I just live and let live.

[Zeitgeist]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

The future is a sad sack nanny socialist fake jobs welfare gulag run by Cultural Marxist dingbats?

I doubt that.   But as Canada goes down the tubes, I can take my capital to Nevada or wherever.  

 

For now.  I wouldn’t bet long on the US, though it should be fine for the rest of.your natural life.  

[Dougie93]

Just now, Zeitgeist said:

For now.  I wouldn’t bet long on the US, though it should be fine for the rest of.your natural life.  

I am long on America, but indeed, I am only here for a good time not for a long time, so I will not likely live to cash out fully, but whatever, my wife will inherit my estate.

[Scott Mayers]

Just now, Dougie93 said:

I am long on America, but indeed, I am only here for a good time not for a long time, so I will not likely live to cash out fully, but whatever, my wife will inherit my estate.

Yes, and your wife and I agreed to meet up with you at your funeral to announce our engagement! 

[eyeball]

4 hours ago, turningrite said:

I'll let you rant. There's no point in responding further as it appears you're not interested in rational debate, as you've demonstrated.

Don't take it from me then.

3 hours ago, Rue said:

By the time this forum and Trudeau is done we will have to hold in detention all Chinese, Muslims, and I would think people from Kyrgyzstan.

 

2 hours ago, QuebecOverCanada said:

We did that to the Japanese and Italians in WW2. I have nothing wrong with that policy in case of an intensification of the current diplomatic/trade war we have with them until we can figure out what the Chinese are doing here and what we can do about it.

 

So there it is turningrite. You don't think this is what Bret Stephan's was alluding to when he mentioned the heedlessness of conservatives towards the rise of right-wing populism and scare-mongering?

Stirring up the shit and being stirred by it takes us in a better direction than whatever political correctness it is that's triggered you?  You've got to be kidding me.

Edited January 28, 2019 by eyeball

[Zeitgeist]

20 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

Okay. I understand. But I'm saying that it is a logically rational justification for China to conspire here whether in good or bad faith as with any other such interest. It should matter to you if even for your own self to some degree. If we all continue giving up (as I have an equal struggle at times too) how can the system be improved in a way that CAN appeal to you as a 'buy'? I'm trying to show how and why I believe our system is or will fail that on its surface appears by many to be the opposite. The Chinese are rightfully  justified in complaint against us for the recent activities because we are being hypocritical to our OWN defense of action that either requires addressing our Constitution or acting in good faith to our own claims of having some moral high ground.

Canada simply responded to an extradition request by putting the matter before the court.  Meng still has quite a bit of freedom.  China on the other hand has detained two Canadians for obviously retaliatory reasons and has revised the sentence of a Canadian drug dealer to the death penalty.  The US president has politicized the process by making Meng a trade bargaining chip.  McCallum basically reminded everyone who launched this extradition request, the US, and directed questions to that regime, as Canada is merely determining through the courts whether the case merits extradition.  Let the court do its work.  It’s a dubious case that will likely get thrown out unless the US presses the request through further court challenges. So far, silence from the US.  This is a test of Canada’s loyalty to the extradition treaty by the US.  It’s also evidence that the Canadian government respects rule of law and China has a long way to go and still can’t be trusted.  

Edited January 28, 2019 by Zeitgeist

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, Scott Mayers said:

Yes, and your wife and I agreed to meet up with you at your funeral to announce our engagement! 

Well I told her not to mope around after I'm gone, once she walks me to the grave, she's released from her vows, "til death do us part"

[Dougie93]

Bear in mind, my wife is not a housewife, she's an independent woman, independently wealthy too, she don't work for me, she's an executive who works for a multinational corporation, riding around in limousines and the G5 with the CEO, so she can take care of herself, I ain't the boss of her.

[Machjo]

8 hours ago, Argus said:

China uses an organization called United Front to corrupt Canadian politicians, academics and industry, and uses its overseas diaspora to further its global agenda. And we let them.

The scene outside the offices of the Toronto public school board was raucous.

It was October 2014, and the board was planning to vote on a contract with the Confucius Institute, an organization affiliated with the education ministry of the government of China, which had offered its services to teach Mandarin to the city’s schoolchildren.

Critics decried the arrangement, calling the institute a propaganda or espionage arm of the Chinese state. But its supporters were out in force, scores of them, rallying noisily and waving Chinese flags in the heart of Canada’s biggest city.

“You are a damn traitor to China,” one of them shouted to an institute opponent of Chinese descent. “Down with traitors!”

Most of the Chinese-language media in Canada are now owned by businesses tied to Beijing, offering positive coverage of China, while Chinese-Canadian community groups have largely fallen under the sway of the “motherland,” Burton says.

In his own region, the Niagara Chinese Cultural Association was once dedicated to domestic causes and reaching out to the wider community, but now seems just as interested in cheering on a rising China, says Burton, a fluent Mandarin speaker. Both the Canadian and Chinese flags are raised at meetings today, and there was even discussion of adding the Chinese anthem, he says.

“An organization that once had another purpose has gradually been taken over to serve China’s national interest. Where United Front work becomes problematic is when it’s engaging persons of Chinese origin who have Canadian citizenship … to serve the interests of the motherland, when in fact the motherland should be Canada.”

https://ottawacitizen.com/news/how-china-uses-shadowy-united-front-as-magic-weapon-to-try-to-extend-its-influence-in-canada/wcm/46452d71-9fc0-4660-ba25-f1d3e71d32a4

 

Canada needs to build closer ties to Taiwan. They can provide qualified Mandarin teachers too but without the partisanship.

[Machjo]

I would support a free-trade agreement between Canada, Hong Kong, Macao, and Taiwan on the condition that they all respect the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Beijing might be angry at this, but to not destroy Hong Kong's and Macao's economy with the rest of China's, it would probably begrugingly allow them to trade freely with Canada while trying to have Hong Kong resell mainland gooods. Fine, by all means. This would just make preserving human rights in Hong Kong more important than ever for China's own good. It might even motivate China to grant more human rights to residents of Shanghai too so that Shanghai could join such an agreement too. After all, Hong Kong's ports could handle only so much daily traffic.

[turningrite]

16 hours ago, Zeitgeist said:

Canada is the future.  

Who's future? Huge numbers of our educated and skilled workers leave annually to seek opportunities elsewhere. Canada's time appears to have come and gone. Three decades of shortsighted and self-serving economic mismanagement by bought-and-sold elitist politicians has led as to a situation whereby we face a clearly gloomy future, a fact of which the government is well aware. According to Thomas Walkom's column in yesterday's generally pro-Lib Toronto Star, Libs like Freeland believe governments in Canada will have to massively increase subsidies just to stop Canadians from rebelling against the consequences of "liberal world order" (not my term, so don't accuse me of wearing a tinfoil hat) agenda the Libs are working hard to implement. Maybe this scenario is a Lib dream, but I suspect that for many Canadians it's a very real nightmare.

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, turningrite said:

Canada's time appears to have come and gone. Three decades of shortsighted and self-serving economic mismanagement by bought-and-sold elitist politicians has led as to a situation whereby we face a clearly gloomy future, a fact of which the government is well aware.

This sort of behaviour was being pointed out to people like you as well remedies for it decades ago.  LOL's, rolling eye's and references to commies was the usual response. And that's why there's still nothing that can be done about it today.

That's another fact the government and the bastards it serves is probably still gleefully well aware of.  Your reference to a reliance on low information voters in another thread was hilarious.

[Rue]

I hate doing his but fair is fair. Trudeau has his hands tied and is following the law. He has no choice. Rule of law states no one is above the law even the PM. In our system he can not interfere. I concede Scott Mayer making the point this concept has been applied subjectively and arbitrarily in the past and in law there is an inherent contradiction in he concept of sovereignty and how it has been applied. Extradition treaties supposedly recognize sovereignty and the right of nations to be considered equal to one another whatever that really means because countrues regularly criticize the domestic laws of other countries although they should not if you follow the doctrine of sovereignty. Certain countries also recognize each others domestic laws through enforcement of extradition treaties and when it does that it can create a problem.

Our laws in Canada say if you ask to deport someone for a crime that does not exist in Canada not withstanding any extradition treaty we have with you, we will not extradite. In fact we have a protection clause that allows people to flee their countries and request our state protection as a refugee if the crime they commit in their country is not  crime in Canada or the sentence in their country is more severe, i.e., capital punishment, whippings, much longer sentences in jail.

We also will not extradite if the purpose of the extradition is political and not legal in nature although that has never been tested at a high level of court so far.

With all that in mind, I can tell you legally the US grounds stated for extradition now that it is out do  consist of crimes that are crimes in Canada so it  passes that smell test so McCallum was wrong. Where it opens a legal argument as to being political and not legal in nature is that Trump has again stated just yesterday he would consider releasing the Hua Wei executive if the US gets a better trade deal with China. He should no have said that. Whether he shot off at the mouth again or its deliberate to allow Canada that loophole not to deport her who knows.

I can tell you this. Behind he scenes Hua Wei got caught spying in the 5 Eyes intelligence alliance nations, i.e., Ausralia, UK, New Zealand and the US and probably in Canada and someone is sending China a message and Trudeau. Trudeau was downplaying the spying and talking of using Hua Wei in Canada for Canadian government services and he was going to fund it being used at UBC on sensitive research.

Probably someone wanted to send Trudeau a message as much as China. He probably got it because two days ago he cancelled a Hua Wei contract and gave it to Hua Weis Finish competitor.

 

Edited January 29, 2019 by Rue