DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If the Rooskies could find our periscope mast sticking 1 meter above the surface in the North Sea, they sure as hell could find a Nimitz or Forrestal class super carrier. I wonder how much of a future the super carrier has with examples of modern jeep carriers loaded with F-35s proving to pack quite the punch. Edited January 13, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 10 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: If the Rooskies could find our periscope mast sticking 1 meter above the surface in the North Sea, they sure as hell could find a Nimitz or Forrestal class super carrier. They detected your periscope, from a satellite? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: It's only bye-bye if there is an SSN up in the saddle, because if your not right on top of him, what are you shooting him with? Sharks with lasers on their noses? Meet the USS Virginia. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 She's been 'on top of you' for the last 3 months. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, DogOnPorch said: Meet the USS Virginia. How do you know they are up in the saddle on all Ivan's Boomers? Maybe in the Cold War they were all hands on deck to follow the Boomers from port back to port, but I don't know of they are still doing it, considering all the other things the Americans have to do. Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: How do you know they are up in the saddle on all Ivan's Boomers? Maybe in the Cold War they were all hands on deck to follow the Boomers from port back to port, but I don't know of they are still doing it, considering all the other things the Americans have to do. The Virginia and like class subs' mission is to do exactly that...hound Russian submarines...all day...all night...all year. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: They detected your periscope, from a satellite? No, they could detect our masts with airborne patrol radar. Our sats provided daily "red force" locator imaging, with an intel briefing each night before the wardroom movie. All surface traffic in the region was profiled by the spooks back home and reported with our message traffic, also from a satellite. Soviets had the same capability, so it's not hard to vector patrol assets based on daylight fixes/locations. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) Virginia the Cold Warrior? No its not, that was SSN-21 Seawolf Class, which was cancelled after four. SSN-774's are mutlimission submarines and their specialty is sneaking into the littoral and parking there to do SIGINT and support SEALs Edited January 13, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 4 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: The Virginia and like class subs' mission is to do exactly that...hound Russian submarines...all day...all night...all year. Correct...more points for each day in trail. It's a fun game. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: Correct...more points for each day in trail. It's a fun game. It's the converted Ohio Class subs that do the impressive mass cruise missile launches the media loves, isn't it? Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: No, they could detect our masts with airborne patrol radar. Our sats provided daily "red force" locator imaging, with an intel briefing each night before the wardroom movie. All surface traffic in the region was profiled by the spooks back home and reported with our message traffic, also from a satellite. Soviets had the same capability, so it's not hard to vector patrol assets based on daylight fixes/locations. What were you doing in the North Sea, I thought you guys were supposed to be on a slow patrol to nowhere out of the way? You're up in the North Sea with an SSBN? To what purpose? Edited January 13, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Nevermind...it is. Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Georgia all converted. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: What were you doing in the North Sea, I thought you guys were supposed to be on a slow patrol to nowhere out of the way? You're up in the North Sea with an SSBN? To what purpose? Not hard to figure out....our Poseidon birds only had a range of 2500 to 3300 nautical miles, depending on MIRV configuration. So that means North Sea, Norwegian Sea, and above the Arctic Circle to be within target package strike range. This was the 1970's and early 1980's....Ohio Class and Trident missiles were just coming on line. You pop up to grab your traffic and get a NAVSat fix, which takes a few minutes, and a petty officer monitors the ESM suite for radar painting at known search freqs. So ain't nobody hiding a 90,000 ton super carrier and battle group escorts & oiler. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 7 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Nevermind...it is. Ohio, Michigan, Florida, and Georgia all converted. Yes....treaty crap..but lots of hull life left. Brilliant idea really... Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not hard to figure out....our Poseidon birds only had a range of 2500 to 3300 nautical miles, depending on MIRV configuration. So that means North Sea, Norwegian Sea, and above the Arctic Circle to be within target package strike range. This was the 1970's and early 1980's....Ohio Class and Trident missiles were just coming on line. You pop up to grab your traffic and get a NAVSat fix, which takes a few minutes, and a petty officer monitors the ESM suite for radar painting at known search freqs. So ain't nobody hiding a 90,000 ton super carrier and battle group escorts & oiler. OIC, I thought this was with Trident II Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....treaty crap..but lots of hull life left. Brilliant idea really... Agreed...over 150 Tomahawks...fire all day. It's the Henry Repeater of submarines. Which ones do the SEAL teams use...with the special deck aft the coning tower? Edited January 13, 2019 by DogOnPorch Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: OIC, I thought this was with Trident II Trident II (D-5) came much later...we did retrofit some of the Poseidon boats with Trident C-4, which had much better range & accuracy. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 The SEAL dry dock shelter is a removable module which can be switched around AFAIK Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: The SEAL dry dock shelter is a removable module which can be switched around AFAIK Ohio class again. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said: Agreed...over 150 Tomahawks...fire all day. It's the Henry Repeater of submarines. Which ones do the SEAL teams use...with the special deck aft the coning tower? I think each converted SSGN was to deploy two SEAL Team enclosures (ASDS)...but the program got cancelled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_SEAL_Delivery_System Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trident II (D-5) came much later...we did retrofit some of the Poseidon boats with Trident C-4, which had much better range & accuracy. So what were your thoughts on having to launch? Just assumed you'd never have to do it, or did you wrestle with it? Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: I think each converted SSGN was to deploy two SEAL Team enclosures (ASDS)...but the program got cancelled. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_SEAL_Delivery_System Roger...just read the wiki. The same 4 subs apparently. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: So what were your thoughts on having to launch? Just assumed you'd never have to do it, or did you wrestle with it? Pretty sure they beat that bone out of you before you're sent to submarine work. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Dougie93 Posted January 13, 2019 Report Posted January 13, 2019 (edited) 1 minute ago, DogOnPorch said: Pretty sure they beat that bone out of you before you're sent to submarine work. Beat what bone out of you? Your humanity and capacity for free and independent critical thought? Edited January 13, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
DogOnPorch Posted January 13, 2019 Author Report Posted January 13, 2019 Just now, Dougie93 said: Beat what bone out of you? Your humanity and capacity for free and independent critical thought? Yup...if it's anything like SAC which I'm more familiar with. Quote Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
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