Is Nuclear War Inevitable?

[Dougie93]

I'm armed to the teeth, I am simply sworn to defend Elizabeth Windsor.  

Canadian Eskimo Communists enjoy the protection of the Crown, Her Majesty defends the right and I defend Her Majesty.

If the Crown of Canada were to fall, all bets are off.

[Dougie93]

Mind you, I was indoctrinated  by HM Royal Canadian Regiment Battleschool to be an exponential force multiplier, so how many guns I can carry is really not significant.

In the event the Crown is deposed, I could recruit and train an army.

[DogOnPorch]

13 minutes ago, Dougie93 said:

I'm armed to the teeth, I am simply sworn to defend Elizabeth Windsor.  

Canadian Eskimo Communists enjoy the protection of the Crown, Her Majesty defends the right and I defend Her Majesty.

If the Crown of Canada were to fall, all bets are off.

 

Met them both...HRHs. Big fan...

So ultimately, come the Revolution, we should be friends, eh?

As for the realm of shoot n' scoot. I suppose the ultimate is still the BM-30 Smerch...love the name. Like many similar US sub-munition tossing bombs/shells, these things are diabolical in action. A serious threat to any rear area or armored column. While both the Ukraine and Russia have the BM-30, they're less likely to want to lose one by chance in some pointless exchange in a hay field.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BM-30_Smerch

It's too small to sport a nuke, but it can pack a thermobaric warhead.

 

Edited February 7, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Met them both...HRHs. Big fan...

So ultimately, come the Revolution, we should be friends, eh?

In the event of war, I would be far more useful to you as your chief instructor/operational commander.

I train and lead you, until you are ready to train and lead others, then I send you off to recruit and train your own unit.

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Dougie93 said:

In the event of war, I would be far more useful to you as your chief instructor/operational commander.

I train and lead you, until you are ready to train and lead others, then I send you off to recruit and train your own unit.

 

Let's just say I'm aware that General Jackson does things a little bit differently over in his command.

[Dougie93]

3 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

Let's just say I'm aware that General Jackson does things a little bit differently over in his command.

I'm not a Stonewall Jackson type commander, he was a butcher, I will expend troops downrange as necessary, but in the 21st century, it is not necessary to drive the troops into a meatgrinder.

[Dougie93]

Not that Ol' Blue Light isn't one of my favorite Generals of all time,  but in terms of the command style which I emulate, my guiding light is Charles Beckwith not Stonewall Jackson.

[DogOnPorch]

Jackson usually was defending. First Kernstown and a few others were exceptions. Loath to fight on Sundays, as well. God fearin'...First Kernstown was also a Sunday, I believe.

It's true he did have stragglers shot during one of the 1862 campaigns. Straggling was the curse of 1860s warfare...almost as bad as sickness.

US Grant was yer meat-grinder...just bloody Irishmen, anyways...

 

...and Germans...like you n' I...lol.

Edited February 7, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[Dougie93]

Jackson was indifferent to attrition, his successes were largely based on his willingness to expend troops downrange more than the enemy was willing to bear, because in Jackson's fevered mind he was simply sending them off to heaven, so enjoy.

[Dougie93]

The best Confederate commander was Nathan Bedford Forrest,  mobile operations horse infantry dragoons.

The Army of Northern Virginia never stood a chance, Marse Robert launched them into a suicide mission.

Stonewall Jackson was the Tet Offensive, Nathan Forrest was the Vietcong.  Tet Offensive was total failure, Vietcong for the win.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Dougie93

[DogOnPorch]

Святое дерьмо!

The Grad generally carries 25kg of high explosives but also has different specialty warheads. It has been in continuous production in various countries starting in 1963. If it's not broke...don't fix. As you can see, this barrage would likely disrupt whatever target it hit...or got close to, even. 

[OftenWrong]

5 hours ago, eyeball said:

So how does this square with the assertion that us lefties suddenly oppose an arms race despite the wishes of our supreme master?

Do you guys have any sense at all of how retarded your rationalizations sound?

The comparison you are trying to make is ridiculous. Let me ask you a question, what is it that helps Mr. Putin? Would it help him if we made more nuclear weapons, and he did not?

Again, I cannot help it if you refuse to understand, and are simply trying to be difficult. If that is the case you'll receive no answers from me. Only my sincere, heartfelt sympathy.

[Dougie93]

Putin is propped up by the same force that Justin Trudeau is propped up by, the hysterical fearmongering of an American Reb Menace at the gates of the Nanny Potemkin Villages.

[OftenWrong]

2 hours ago, DogOnPorch said:

In the future, Russia would make a far better ally than opponent...or outright enemy. 

I would support any move that further thawed remaining barriers between Russia and the West...Canada and the USA in particular.

Bingo. Give this man a cigar, beer, or whatever he likes!

Things were moving in the right direction under George W Bush. "I looked into his eyes, I saw that he has a soul." Possibly the most hopeful statement to bridge US- Russia relations in decades. The administration that followed was far less kind, far less interested in thawing barriers. 

[DogOnPorch]

2 minutes ago, OftenWrong said:

Bingo. Give this man a cigar, beer, or whatever he likes!

Things were moving in the right direction under George W Bush. "I looked into his eyes, I saw that he has a soul." Possibly the most hopeful statement to bridge US- Russia relations in decades. The administration that followed was far less kind, far less interested in thawing barriers. 

 

 

The rank and file don't want to admit it, but it is very much like a game of Sid Meier's Civilization...with winners and losers. There will be ONLY be one world government if one culture dominates all the others. And which would they prefer??? Which culture other than that of Mozart and Einstein? Kaiser Bill had a point...it seems.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_Peril

[Dougie93]

Can't happen, the Siloviki only retain power because of the American Reb Menace.  

Putin's entire raison d'etre is standing in the Americans way as the protector of the Motherland.

If Putin makes peace, Putin is not needed anymore. 

With no peaceful transfer of power, Putin would have to be deposed. 

If deposed,  Putin will be in the dock with Czar Nicolas.

Peace with Czar Putin; not going to happen.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Dougie93

[DogOnPorch]

No worries...just doing my Berchtesgaden impersonation. 

[OftenWrong]

Please try to show more sympathy, you are boggling eyeball's mind with too many facts!

Boggle boggle 

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, OftenWrong said:

Please try to show more sympathy, you are boggling eyeball's mind with too many facts!

Boggle boggle 

 

There is one 3rd party scenario for Orbiter Space Flight Sim that imagines an early first strike on the USA using the trusty old R-7 Semyorka (NATO SS-6 Sapwood...still used to launch the Soyuz). About 8 or so warheads...which would have been incredible for 1959/60. You can add the DEW Line, etc. It gives you a really good idea of the issues involved with ballistic trajectories over the Pole. Where's muh nuke?? Often 50 miles off the coast from LA...etc. No wonder they made them big.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/R-7_Semyorka

A test shot mapped into Google Earth...and an egg heading for Chicago. Note the DEW Line...

 

 

 

Edited February 8, 2019 by DogOnPorch

[DogOnPorch]

More rare footage....

Those familiar with various tests might go: "Hey...it's Crossroads Baker shot at Bikini"

But look again...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1955_Soviet_nuclear_tests

[DogOnPorch]

Part of the same round of tests was Joe-19 which was a live test of the Soviet's RDS-37 H-Bomb. It was dropped from a Tu-16 Badger and exploded at 1500 meters proving to the US that the Soviets had a deliverable thermonuclear weapon. However, a strong local temperature inversion had the unintended effect of reflecting a portion of the escaping upper shock wave back towards the ground causing many unintended casualties great distances from ground zero.

 

[Dougie93]

As if a Tu-16 would ever have made it to New York.    The only card the Soviets had was they could nuke Europe, after Cuba they didn't really have the capability to inflict unacceptable casualties on the Americans until the Delta class SSBN.

[Dougie93]

The Cold War was in essence over one thing.  The Potsdam Agreement.   The Soviets threatened to enforce the agreement on their terms by reaching the Rhine by force of arms to prevent American reinforcement.   Then all they would have to deal with was the French.  The French had the neutron bomb, but it's not at all clear that the Soviets intended to take France by tank so much as take it by inciting internal insurrection.

When the Soviets stood down from this, the Cold War was over.

[Dougie93]

The Soviet plan basically rested on two pillars. 

One was that they could get away with using tactical nuclear weapons against anything other than France, Britain or America.

Two was that the French would have rather have overthrown their government than die in a thermonuclear firestorm.

[Dougie93]

The French obviously thought the Soviet plan was viable, as they dropped out of NATO to avoid a war with the Soviets and allow for a capitulation if the Americans were not getting into Frankfurt.