Army Guy Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, jacee said: Show a little more respect for the people who pay your salary to conduct yourselves impartially and do what Constitutional Law says. We're the boss of you. Is this the time we bow or perhaps bend a knee, you make it sound like soldiers are beneath you, as maybe a servant or lackey….perhaps you should ask yourself WTF you have down for your country lately , your a landed immigrant are you not....what makes you think your any more Canadian than I am, or why is my station in life below yours. Your not the bass of jack shit...just some twisted lady who has an axe to grind, and every month its a different topic....I see your fitting right into this Canadian thing, grab a sign join the anti pipe line thingy their always looking for wing nuts.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
jacee Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 10 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Maybe i do need a refresher, i got a question for you, if you believe all that you just wrote above, why is it out government ordered DND to go to OKA , why was DND used to put down this incident, you don't think the liberals had the legal dept check out all the facts first, you don't think DND also checked out if they could legally accomplish this mission... Your right the GG is legally in charge of DND on paper ,,,, no questions....But when was the last time that the GG or for that matter the Queen told our elected government NO you can't do that, You can not send DND to OKA , Cyprus, Bosina, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, shit lets go all the way back to Boar war if you want....Whos signature is on all those Mission statements, authorizing all those mission , who authorized troop levels, equipment to be used, rules of engagements, everything about all the missions DND takes on...Hold on i know you know this one....Yes it is the PM....you can argue all day long, about who is legally in charge but before any one goes any where the PM has to sign off on it, not the queen, and the GG is a figure head only.... Not sure what your going on about here , but for the most part, our laws and constitution protect all Canadians regardless of skin color and race.....and as far as the politicians not having our backs neither does the majority of Canadian public. This post is a perfect example of that, as you can not wait to spread bullshit about something you know nothing about. Politicians cannot give orders to the military. Soldiers should know better. Do your own research. Provinces can request military assistance in some circumstances. You are always responsible for upholding Constitutional rights. Violations of rights are not "lawful orders". Quote
jacee Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 8 minutes ago, Army Guy said: Is this the time we bow or perhaps bend a knee, you make it sound like soldiers are beneath you, as maybe a servant or lackey….perhaps you should ask yourself WTF you have down for your country lately , your a landed immigrant are you not....what makes you think your any more Canadian than I am, or why is my station in life below yours. Your not the bass of jack shit...just some twisted lady who has an axe to grind, and every month its a different topic....I see your fitting right into this Canadian thing, grab a sign join the anti pipe line thingy their always looking for wing nuts.... We pay your salary. You work for us. You do not take orders from politicians. Politicians DON'T like dissenting people. You uphold people's right to dissent. You DON'T squash dissent because a politician doesn't like it. You are not the enforcers for politicians whims. You enforce the law ... Constitutional law ... and you follow only orders that respect Constitutional rights. Your personal insults suggest you know you have no ground to stand on. The RCMP screwed up in assaulting the Wet'suet'en people. They violated their Oaths. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 14 hours ago, jacee said: We're the boss of you. Meh. I choose mutiny. Quote
Argus Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 15 hours ago, jacee said: Politicians cannot give orders to the military. Soldiers should know better. Demonstrably untrue. And silly. Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 The way the chain of command works, is that the Cabinet generates a policy, directive and/or objective, advised by the Defence Staff. The Joint Staff then makes a plan to meet the policy, directive and/or objective. This plan becomes the framework for order to be issued down the chain of command. Politicians cannot issue a direct order to a formation or personnel in the field, only commanders command, everything must come down the chain to them by process. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 Even within the military itself, if an officer is not your particular chain of command, they cannot simply walk up and start issuing order, if it's contact we'll fight the contact, but if no contact, then you just pay compliments but otherwise advise said officer that he will have to talk to your CO, please and thank you, sir. Quote
Army Guy Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 19 hours ago, jacee said: Politicians cannot give orders to the military. Soldiers should know better. Do your own research. Provinces can request military assistance in some circumstances. You are always responsible for upholding Constitutional rights. Violations of rights are not "lawful orders". Lets see if you can read it this time, Your right the GG is legally in charge of DND on paper ,,,, no questions....But when was the last time that the GG or for that matter the Queen told our elected government NO you can't do that, You can not send DND to OKA , Cyprus, Bosina, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, shit lets go all the way back to Boar war if you want....Whos signature is on all those Mission statements, authorizing all those mission , who authorized troop levels, equipment to be used, rules of engagements, everything about all the missions DND takes on...Hold on i know you know this one....Yes it is the PM....you can argue all day long, about who is legally in charge but before any one goes any where the PM has to sign off on it, not the queen, and the GG is a figure head only.... Answer the question....when was the last time the GG or Queen intervened in any political decision within Canada, NEVER is the correct answer.....next question is who's name is on the authorization documents to send our Armed Forces on any mission, or cancel any mission....IT is the PM's ...When our allieds want us to join a mission they don't talk to the Queen or the GG they go through our elected government , with the PM making the final decision....why is that so difficult to understand...... Listen carefully Our laws state that the GG or the Queen is the commander and chief of our military forces, this is to provide an extra layer of protection for the civil population,, another check and balance so the PM can not abuse his powers. However In our history there has never been a time where the GG or the Queen has needed to or has done this...Meaning all the PM's orders or direction for the Dept of National Defense to deploy or cancel a mission have always been answered....When the PM answered the call from Quebec for assistance he made the decision and ordered the military into OKA it was on his authorization that the military moved troops into the OKA area, it was on his authorization that on day 78 the crisses would end... once you understand that, ask your self how many rights did the mohawk warriors have on day 78...and what was the legal consequences for violating them ? All of this is public record, Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Army Guy Posted March 3, 2019 Report Posted March 3, 2019 19 hours ago, jacee said: We pay your salary. You work for us. You do not take orders from politicians. Politicians DON'T like dissenting people. You uphold people's right to dissent. You DON'T squash dissent because a politician doesn't like it. You are not the enforcers for politicians whims. You enforce the law ... Constitutional law ... and you follow only orders that respect Constitutional rights. Your personal insults suggest you know you have no ground to stand on. The RCMP screwed up in assaulting the Wet'suet'en people. They violated their Oaths. You don't pay shit...you pay taxes and thats where it all ends...The government has the right to withdrawal any or all of your rights in order to protect the country in time of crises, and in doing so may ask the RCMP or Defense Dept to carry out various policing or defense related tasks. FLQ crises comes to mind when the other Trudeau order the War measures act, or it may of been known as marshal law , which gave the military sweeping powers including powers of arrest, detention with out cause or warrant required, they took freedom to travel away, and set up times when people could not leave their homes or they would be arrested.... now with all these dots lined up for you to follow lets try and find out who DND really works for....is it the people or is it the government...The government decides what rights you may have or not have.....it is the government that decides how all of this is going to be enforced, and here is the final burn, you still need to file and pay your taxes.....The lesson here , RCMP and DND are federal depts., owned and operated by them...you may think we work for you, but in reality we work for the government end of story.... as for the RCMP in assaulting the Wet'suet'en people have they been fired, released from duty, brought before the courts....taken in front of the UN human rights court....Yes or no.... Quote We, the willing, led by the unknowing, are doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have now done so much for so long with so little, we are now capable of doing anything with nothing.
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 At the end of the day, the law is transcended by loyalism in the classical sense. I am just not prepared to kill people, and risk being killed by them, unless the heir to the throne of VRI is the commander ordering it. Doesn't matter what the law says, I am a free man, I will kill and die for who I choose to kill and die for, God, Queen, Country, in that order. If somebody else would like to kill and die for a dingbat Canadian politician, more power to you. But I am an old stock Canadian, Hants County Nova Scotia since 1757, and I will only kill and die for Victoria, my Queen and Empress. Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 10 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: At the end of the day, the law is transcended by loyalism in the classical sense. I am just not prepared to kill people, and risk being killed by them, unless the heir to the throne of VRI is the commander ordering it. Doesn't matter what the law says, I am a free man, I will kill and die for who I choose to kill and die for, God, Queen, Country, in that order. If somebody else would like to kill and die for a dingbat Canadian politician, more power to you. But I am an old stock Canadian, Hants County Nova Scotia since 1757, and I will only kill and die for Victoria, my Queen and Empress. I'm all in favour of you being allowed to die for whatever you want, but to kill for a fictitious being is batshit crazy. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bcsapper said: I'm all in favour of you being allowed to die for whatever you want, but to kill for a fictitious being is batshit crazy. Mother Canada, House of Hanover, Elizabeth Windsor the heir, you're either with us, or against us. Edited March 4, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Mother Canada, House of Hanover, Elizabeth Windsor the heir, you're either with us, or against us. Bollocks, I'm talking about your God, not your Queen. Edited March 4, 2019 by bcsapper Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction - Blaise Pascal Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) By the Treaty of Paris 1763, the only claim on these lands is the divine providence of Dieu et mon droit. God and his right hand. You don't have to be a North German Protestant to be Canadian, but you cannot overthrow us without overthrowing Canada itself. Edited March 4, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 2 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: By the Treaty of Paris 1763, the only claim on these lands is the divine providence of Dieu et mon droit. God and his right hand. You don't have to be a North German Protestant to be Canadian, but you cannot overthrow us without overthrowing Canada itself. Given there is no God, I suppose the treaty isn't worth the parchment it is printed on. Good job too. I would use it to clean up after my dog if I ever got a hold of it. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) If the God of the Hebrews does not will it, Elizabeth Windsor does not will it , if Elizabeth Windsor does not will it, I will not kill a man for you. Who you kill and die for is your business, but my business is Monarchism and Toryism, Nova Scotia Baptists and Upper Canadian Orangemen, and we will only kill and die for the Lord himself, Elizabeth Windsor his representative on earth, by the terms of the British North America Act, which is underpinned only the ceding of Nouvelle France to the House of Hanover in 1763 Edited March 4, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: If the God of the Hebrews does not will it, Elizabeth Windsor does not will it , if Elizabeth Windsor does not will it, I will not kill a man for you. Who you kill and die for is your business, but my business is Monarchism and Toryism, Nova Scotia Baptistes and Upper Canadian Orangemen, and we will only kill and die for the Lord himself, Elizabeth Windsor is representative on earth, by the terms of the British North America Act, which is underpinned only the ceding of Nouvelle France to the House of Hanover in 1763 Elizabeth Windsor does not believe in God. If she did, she would spend her time washing the feet of lepers. As would anyone who truly believed this speck of time was a prelude to eternity in Heaven, if one has behaved. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 North German Protestants since 1688, Joshua Bar Joseph was crucified for our sins, at Golgotha. I am one with the force and the force is with me. Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: North German Protestants since 1688, Joshua Bar Joseph was crucified for our sins, at Golgotha. I am one with the force and the force is with me. Jesus died for somebody's sins, but not mine or Patti Smith's. Edited March 4, 2019 by bcsapper Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 North German Protestant, Her Majesty defends the right, wit us or agin us. Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: North German Protestant, Her Majesty defends the right, wit us or agin us. Actually, I don't care enough to be either. I just object to the notion of people killing for a myth. Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) I am not a totalitarian. All obligations to the state are by contract alone. The British North America Act is a contract. That contract is the story of my people. Killing a man is not to be entered into lightly. Ensure that you are aware of the terms of the contract. So long as VRI rules here, I will defend and uphold Her. Unto death as necessary. Tho if Canada is a myth, then I need not kill and die for it, so the point is moot. Edited March 4, 2019 by Dougie93 Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 Bear in mind, Sappers, Gunners, Troopers, and the like; I am not just an Infanteer. I am a Royal Infanteer. You commie wogs can do as you like, but the RCR only answers to HM Quote
Dougie93 Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 And guess who HM answers to? God of the Hebrews. Suck it, commies. Quote
Guest Posted March 4, 2019 Report Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: And guess who HM answers to? God of the Hebrews. Suck it, commies. No-one answers to anyone. You just die. You're gonna be compost. Like I said, if anyone actually believed in God, they wouldn't waste their time on here. They'd be out doing good works. I know I would. The Queen just pretends to believe because it's easier than telling the The Archbishop of Canterbury to sling his hook. It's just not worth the hassle. Commies? They are as religious as the Pope. Different religion, is all. Edited March 4, 2019 by bcsapper Quote
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