eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: The economy is highly regulated, stop pretending it's not. Its power that I'm interested in regulating, by redistributing it. You going to pretend you're already powerless enough too? A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Its power that I'm interested in regulating, by redistributing it. You going to pretend you're already powerless enough too? My power is simply democracy, I band together with other shareholders and we defend our interests, by voting, with our feet, with our capital, and with our checkbooks. You're free to write a check to the NDP right now, go ahead, vote for the Knippers, I'm not trying to stop you. Edited February 1, 2019 by Dougie93
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: Its power that I'm interested in regulating, by redistributing it. You going to pretend you're already powerless enough too? Redistribution isn't going to create any wealth, it just move it around, and too much redistribution results in killing off the economic engine that actually produces the wealth. Why would a One World Government be any better at redistribution than many different national governments? In all likelihood they'd be worse at it. If you want the disenfranchised to raise their station in life, then "robinhood economics" is one of the least effective ways of getting there. Punishing the enfranchised is not the best way to help the disenfranchised, economics is not a zero-sum game where the only way one side wins is if the other side loses, win-win scenario's occur all the time. Fact of the matter is, punishing the rich too much actually hurts the poor. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Redistribution isn't going to create any wealth, it just move it around, and too much redistribution results in killing off the economic engine that actually produces the wealth. If you want the disenfranchised to raise their station in life, then "robinhood economics" is not the way to get there. Punishing the rich is not the best way to help the poor, economics is not a zero-sum game where the only way one side wins is if the other side loses. Redistribution of power not wealth. Your knee really gets in your way. If you insist on characterizing the redistribution of power as punishing the wealthy, have it your way. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, eyeball said: Redistribution of power not wealth. Your knee really gets in your way. If you insist on characterizing the redistribution of power as punishing the wealthy, have it your way. What powers are you redistributing to a One World Government, that can't be better redistributed on the non-worldwide level? Invoking a One World Government to regulate the economy sure sounds like you are talking about redistributing wealth worldwide. If that isn't what you are talking about, then what kind of worldwide economic regulation are you talking about? Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: Redistribution of power not wealth. Your knee really gets in your way. If you insist on characterizing the redistribution of power as punishing the wealthy, have it your way. You don't have the votes, sunshine, and you never will. So talk turkey, what are you going to do about it? If not revolution, why are you wasting our time with leftist virtue signalling? Nobody is going to give you power, power is what you take by force, radical redistribution; by you and what army?
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: My power is simply democracy. Its more complicated than that and assuming you actually are some sort of globe trotting capitalist, and not just some overgrown kid in Putin's mother's basement, your power is more due to undue political influence. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: What powers are you redistributing to a One World Government, that can't be better redistributed on the non-worldwide level? One government would take away the power of corporations to use individual nations in a big shell game to move wealth and influence around the planet. Edited February 1, 2019 by eyeball A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: Its more complicated than that and assuming you actually are some sort of globe trotting capitalist, and not just some overgrown kid in Putin's mother's basement, your power is more due to undue political influence. A one world government is easier to buy than hundreds of national governments, if you want to talk undue influence, the very people you want to have less influence under a One World Government will actually have more undue influence. Your proposed solution to the problems you are complaining about, is counter-productive, to say the least.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, eyeball said: Its more complicated than that and assuming you actually are some sort of globe trotting capitalist, and not just some overgrown kid in Putin's mother's basement, your power is more due to undue political influence. Political influence is not undue, perfectly within my rights. And I don't globe trot, I hate flying, unless it is in the spacious cargo hold of a military transport where I can put up a hammock and get some rack. But I don't have to trot anywhere to be a capitalist. They've got this thing now, it's called globalized information age by way of nuke proof DARPAnet.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, eyeball said: One government would take away the power of corporations to use individual nations in a big shell game to move wealth and influence around the planet. No, it would just give them one government they need to buy off, instead of hundreds, you are saving them the trouble of having to bribe more governments with differing interests and focus on just bribing the one. Putting all your eggs in one basket, and that way if that one basket gets bribed by big corporations, and it will, the whole planet has to suffer the consequences. You aren't taking power away from corporations by proposing a One World Government, you are giving them more. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: You don't have the votes, sunshine, and you never will. So talk turkey, what are you going to do about it? If not revolution, why are you wasting our time with leftist virtue signalling? Nobody is going to give you power, power is what you take by force, radical redistribution; by you and what army? So your power isn't simply democracy as you suggested after all. I have time on my side. The economy will most certainly collapse due to environmental sustainability issues and probably even faster under the weight of shit you have to pile on it to keep it going. It's unravelling as we speak. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: So your power isn't simply democracy as you suggested after all. I have time on my side. The economy will most certainly collapse due to environmental sustainability issues and probably even faster under the weight of shit you have to pile on it to keep it going. It's unravelling as we speak. Ah so World Socialist Revolution to save humanity from Climate Change. Eskimo Communism is so predictable, SIFCLFs gonna SIFCLF.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: A one world government is easier to buy than hundreds of national governments, A one world government is also easier for its citizens to keep an eye on. Quote if you want to talk undue influence, the very people you want to have less influence under a One World Government will actually have more undue influence. Your proposed solution to the problems you are complaining about, is counter-productive, to say the least. Only if you insist on not making it a democratic government which course would only hasten another socio-economic reset. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, eyeball said: A one world government is also easier for its citizens to keep an eye on. Only if you insist on not making it a democratic government which course would only hasten another socio-economic reset. It's not easier for citizens to keep an eye on, they will remain just as ignorant as before the One World Government got put in place. Democracies are not immune from being bribed by big corporations, don't know what gave you the impression that they are. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Political influence is not undue, perfectly within my rights. Influence peddling is against the law actually. Quote And I don't globe trot, I hate flying, unless it is in the spacious cargo hold of a military transport where I can put up a hammock and get some rack. But I don't have to trot anywhere to be a capitalist. They've got this thing now, it's called globalized information age by way of nuke proof DARPAnet. Regulating how your money trots will suffice. We have access to the same globalized information system don't forget. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, eyeball said: So your power isn't simply democracy as you suggested after all. I have time on my side. The economy will most certainly collapse due to environmental sustainability issues and probably even faster under the weight of shit you have to pile on it to keep it going. It's unravelling as we speak. The power of voting with my feet, my capital, and my chequebook, is entirely appropriate within the terms of Westminster, nobody ever said I had to restrict myself to only voting by ballot, certainly never William of Orange never said that. If you don't like it, you are free to globe trot yourself down to Havana at your leisure. As to time? I'm only here for a good time not a long time, in terms of environmental sustainability, it is your centrally planned model which is doomed. I do my part for the environment by taking due care of the environment in and around my property here, that's what I'm responsible for, and it's quite lovely here, I assure you, and we are watching like hawks for polluters of any sort, we don't even allow noise pollution round here.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 12 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: No, it would just give them one government they need to buy off, instead of hundreds, you are saving them the trouble of having to bribe more governments with differing interests and focus on just bribing the one. Putting all your eggs in one basket, and that way if that one basket gets bribed by big corporations, and it will, the whole planet has to suffer the consequences. You aren't taking power away from corporations by proposing a One World Government, you are giving them more. As I said, if the powerful and wealthy forget that social welfare is for their benefit... A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: Influence peddling is against the law actually.. I am nothing if not law abiding. To publish to the internet false accusations of criminality is defamatory libel.
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 6 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Ah so World Socialist Revolution to save humanity from Climate Change. Eskimo Communism is so predictable, SIFCLFs gonna SIFCLF. No, I'm afraid that damage has been done and nature will have to reset that button. It'll just make everything else that much harder. You could move to Elysium but I doubt it'll be that easy. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: As I said, if the powerful and wealthy forget that social welfare is for their benefit... What makes you think that one world government is any more likely to make them remember than the current state of affairs? Sounds like pie in the sky wishful thinking that simply changing the system of governance will solve the problem of corruption, but corruption is inherent to any system of governance, and the more power that is concentrated with a system of governance, the more prone that system is to corruption. Power corrupts, and absolute power corrupts absolutely, a One World Government is no exception. Big Government and Big Business go hand in hand. Putting all your eggs in one basket will make a One World Government far more corrupt than many of the nation states around the world are today, be careful what you wish for. If you want to diminish corporate influence, One World Government is probably the worst way to attempt to achieve that goal, I for one recommend taking a different approach. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
eyeball Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Dougie93 said: I am nothing if not law abiding. To publish to the internet false accusations of criminality is defamatory libel. Yeah well, I've been compared to some of the worst mass murderers in history so get in line pal. A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 Just now, eyeball said: Yeah well, I've been compared to some of the worst mass murderers in history so get in line pal. I've not accused you of committing any crimes. I in fact said that it is perfectly within your prerogative to be a communist, that's no crime where I come from.
Dougie93 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 There is in fact two Communist Party's of Canada, go ahead, write them a cheque, thrown them a vote, run as a candidate, knock yourself out, nobody is trying to stop you.
Yzermandius19 Posted February 1, 2019 Report Posted February 1, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: I've not accused you of committing any crimes. I in fact said that it is perfectly within your prerogative to be a communist, that's no crime where I come from. It reveals poor taste when it comes to politics, but it is certainly no crime. Also if the multi-national government is going to crack down on nations that are industrializing, then good luck getting China or India to join the One World Kumbaya, or any other developing nations for that matter. It's like Dougie says, eyeball doesn't have the votes, and like I say, even if he did, be careful what you wish for. Edited February 1, 2019 by Yzermandius19
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