Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 In essence, Canada; is like a developmentally delayed child being set upon by a monstrous hegemon of darkness, leading Canada down a garden path beyond the protection of UKUSSA FVEY
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Canada is however making itself into an outlaw nation as it so obviously falls on the undue influence of Beijing as a proxy against UKUSSA-FVEY Drivel. It might have done so before the hamfisted government of China went so obviously rogue over the arrest of one of its dictator's relatives. Now not even the Trudeau Liberals would dare even suggest we explore a free trade agreement, much less an extradition treaty. And there is now zero chance that Huawei will be allowed to operate in Canada. Edited January 17, 2019 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Argus said: The world likes raw resources. It especially likes them coming from a stable country with a stable government which operates under the rule of law, a government which isn't going to arbitrarily seize their assets or have the supply upset by internal fighting. The world much prefers dealing with a country which operates under the rule of law than an outlaw nation. Which, as I have pointed out, can be made anywhere. Some US companies, like Apple, are already taking steps to move their production lines away from China. Name one. No matter what your government has told you, China is regarded as a semi-civilized bandit country run by corrupt and venal killers. I'm not sure why you think this 'trade war' you're simpering about is going to impact the world at large. If China bars all Canadian imports and Canada bars all Chinese imports China loses considerably more than Canada. And the world will not care. And if you think the EU or US are going to take some kind of financial action against Canada because your government pressures them, well, that's just pathetic wishful thinking on your part. Canadians spend more on Chinese exports than the Chinese spend on Canadian exports. Canadians will lose more than the Chinese will, China will just sell to countries other than Canada, and other countries want Chinese exports more than they want Canadian exports, so China will do better selling their exports to other nations than Canada will. Canada has no way to win that trade war, so embracing a trade war with China makes no sense from where Canada is sitting. Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 Which brings to where we are, which is UKUSSA-FVEY needing to execute an immediate action by covert means in to commence the process of trying to dissuade Canada from said garden path, which ultimately is backed by force as necessary when and if UKUSSA-FVEY reaches the threshold of having to topple the Canadian government in order to save it from itself.
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Canadians spend more on Chinese exports than the Chinese spend on Canadian exports. Canada loses more trade than China does, China will just sell to countries other than Canada, and other countries want Chinese exports more than they want Canadian exports, so China will do better selling their exports to other nations than Canada will. I gather you're getting this information from your government? You should be aware that not being a free country means your government can lie without hesitation - and does so. Canada's trade deficit with China is over $38 billion. And I assure you that if China could find somewhere else to sell $38 billion it would have done so by now. Most of Canada's exports are raw resources (except to the US) and those go for world price, basically into a pool. Nobody is going to stop buying them unless they cost more than the same resources they can get elsewhere. And if they cost less, the world will jump in and buy them. Edited January 17, 2019 by Argus "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Argus said: I gather you're getting this information from your government? You should be aware that not being a free country means your government can lie without hesitation - and does so. Canada's trade deficit with China is over $38 billion. And I assure you that if China could find somewhere else to sell $38 billion it would have done so by now. The trade deficit is proof that Canadians buy more Chinese products and services than the Chinese buy Canadian products and services. Which means Canadians benefits more from trade with China than the Chinese benefit from trade with Canada. /shrugs Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Dougie93 said: Which brings to where we are, which is UKUSSA-FVEY needing to execute an immediate action by covert means in to commence the process of trying to dissuade Canada from said garden path, which ultimately is backed by force as necessary when and if UKUSSA-FVEY reaches the threshold of having to topple the Canadian government in order to save it from itself. I have no idea what this babbling nonsense is even supposed to suggest. But it's been a while now since I read anything sensible from you so I think I'm just going to have to put you into my ignore list so your silly posts stop cluttering up my screen. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: The trade deficit is proof that Canadians buy more Chinese products and services than the Chinese buy Canadian products and services. Which means Canada benefits more from trade with China than vice versa, or China would be buying more Canadian products. /shrugs You obviously never learned much about economics. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Argus said: You obviously never learned much about economics. You obviously think you know a lot about economics, but you're mistaken and have an inflated sense of your knowledge of the topic. /shrugs Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Argus said: You obviously never learned much about economics. I certainly never took any formal education on the matter, I am actually a high school drop out who was kicked out of the house and so joned the army when I was 17, my only formal professional certifications are as a close quarters combat tactician by way of the Royal Candian Regiment Battleschool. In terms of the markets, I simply made a leap of faith, that classically liberal limited government free marketeers were in fact right about, it and to my delight I have ended up profiting beyond my wildest dreams, although me dreams weren't that wild going in, but I certainly didn't expect to make this much money. Edited January 17, 2019 by Dougie93
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, Dougie93 said: Canada's democracy is obviously weak by nature, deliberately, by definition, as contrary to popular Canadian myth, Canada is a monarchy not a republic. As such Canada is able to retain such archaic laws as "speech laws", "thought laws", Canada is a notorious censor and property confiscator, and Canada prosecutes its people for simply defending themselves and their property while on their property, and if said persons invoke their right to it, Canada has Section 33 in its constitution. Is America more democratic than the UK? No way. We’re less of a monarchy than the UK, with no House of Lords. There is no confiscation of property in Canada, unlike in America where your property can be confiscated for the possession of weed under federal law. If you are found carrying large amounts of money in the US, it can be taken.
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 To wit, i've simply learned about economics by trial and error, as a businessman in the free market.
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: You obviously think you know a lot about economics, but you're mistaken and have an inflated sense of your knowledge of the topic. /shrugs I understand that not buying China's stuff leaves us with $38 billion here that we can spend internally or elsewhere. I understand that no longer producing $38 billion worth of goods means a lot of jobs in China would no longer exist. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Zeitgeist Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: The trade deficit is proof that Canadians buy more Chinese products and services than the Chinese buy Canadian products and services. Which means Canadians benefits more from trade with China than the Chinese benefit from trade with Canada. /shrugs Okay I’m afraid you need to go back to school or try educating yourself.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Argus said: I understand that not buying China's stuff leaves us with $38 billion here that we can spend internally or elsewhere. I understand that no longer producing $38 billion worth of goods means a lot of jobs in China would no longer exist. I understand that not buying China's stuff means Canadians will have to spend more than $38 billion to get the same shit from somewhere else, and a lot of Canadians wouldn't spend that extra money for the same amount of products and services, and that means a lot of jobs in Canada would no longer exist. Your delusion that Canada holds a winning hand in a trade war with China is laughable, keep the comedy coming. Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Zeitgeist said: Is America more democratic than the UK? No way. We’re less of a monarchy than the UK, with no House of Lords. There is no confiscation of property in Canada, unlike in America where your property can be confiscated for the possession of weed under federal law. If you are found carrying large amounts of money in the US, it can be taken. America is exponentially more democratic than the UK of course, not just because America is the greatest democracy what ever lived, but also compounded by the fact that the UK is a nanny police state even more than Canada is. Although as it comes to the UK you'll like see it come to Canada, because with Section 33 Canada's improved over the UK's contstition is crippled and ineffective, particularly in relation to the American constitution. And you have no property rights in Canada whatsoever, so Canada, at the level of the free market, is actually one of those red zones like China where one would be wise to stay out and only interact with through the Americans, at the NYSE and NASDAQ
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 To wit, More Canadian jobs need Chinese exports than Chinese jobs that need Canadian exports, Canada loses, huge. 1
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Yzermandius19 said: I understand that not buying China's stuff means Canadians will have to spend more $38 billion to get it from somewhere else, and a lot of Canadians would spend less and that means a lot of jobs in Canada would no longer exist. Your delusion that Canada holds a winning hand in a trade war with China is laughable, keep the comedy coming. China used to be the cheapest source of goods, but isn't any more. Mexican wages are far below those of Chinese workers. And besides, it's not like we really need most of the crap that comes from China. If it's not available we can do without, or buy it internally. And if we buy it here, that means all the money stays here. Your country is already running into problems because of American tariffs, so I doubt it wants that spread to other western nations. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: To wit, More Canadian jobs need Chinese exports than Chinese jobs that need Canadian exports, Canada loses, huge. Canada is simply a boom and bust commodities backwater, with a boom and bust real estate market booming and busting with the commodities markets. China however will be able to access Canadian commodities in every case simply by way of them coming to the free market, the issue is simply how much actual free hold Crown land is China interested in leasing ito prop the Canadians nanny socialist welfare gulag up and so gain undue influence over it.
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Argus said: China used to be the cheapest source of goods, but isn't any more. Mexican wages are far below those of Chinese workers. And besides, it's not like we really need most of the crap that comes from China. If it's not available we can do without, or buy it internally. And if we buy it here, that means all the money stays here. Your country is already running into problems because of American tariffs, so I doubt it wants that spread to other western nations. Buying from elsewhere wouldn't be cheaper, or we'd already being buy from there instead of China without any need for tariffs. Raising the price of Chinese goods means that the price of goods in Canada will be more expensive, which equals less spending by Canadians who can't afford those prices, which equals lost jobs. Tariffs are tax on national consumers, not on foreign exporters, national consumers lose more than the foreign exporters, the only one who wins are the subsidized non-competitive national industries that need tariffs to survive, everyone else loses, but the consumers lose the most. Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 All inclusive to the PLA using Canada as a fifth column to probe and penetrate the UKUSSA-FVEY perimeter btw.
Argus Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Buying from elsewhere wouldn't be cheaper, or we'd already being buy from there instead of China without any need for tariffs. We do already buy from elsewhere. Now we will buy more. China benefited from being the first large-scale third world industrial economy, but others are catching up. The idea of buying cars made in Mexico would have caused laughter a couple of decades ago. No longer. Lots of producers have already shifted production from China to cheaper countries like Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia, or Mexico. Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Raising the price of Chinese goods means that the price of goods in Canada will be more expensive, Not if we don't buy them. Just now, Yzermandius19 said: Tariffs are tax on national consumers, not on foreign exporters, The purpose of tariffs is to persuade consumers not to buy from that foreign exporter. We can't just order them not to like your country. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
Yzermandius19 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Argus said: We do already buy from elsewhere. Now we will buy more. China benefited from being the first large-scale third world industrial economy, but others are catching up. The idea of buying cars made in Mexico would have caused laughter a couple of decades ago. No longer. Lots of producers have already shifted production from China to cheaper countries like Vietnam, Thailand and Cambodia, or Mexico. Not if we don't buy them. The purpose of tariffs is to persuade consumers not to buy from that foreign exporter. We can't just order them not to like your country. Never said Canada doesn't buy from elsewhere, but when Canadians buy Chinese goods and services, it's because they preferred them to goods and service located in other nations, and how cheap the products and services are has a big impact on that decision. Banning Chinese exports will cost Canadian consumers more than $38 billion by forcing them to buy elsewhere, Canada won't save any money by doing that, they will lose money doing that. Bet that. Edited January 17, 2019 by Yzermandius19 1
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Yzermandius19 said: Buying from elsewhere wouldn't be cheaper, or we'd already being buy from there instead of China without any need for tariffs. Raising the price of Chinese goods means that the price of goods in Canada will be more expensive, which equals less spending by Canadians who can't afford those prices, which equals lost jobs. Tariffs are tax on national consumers, not on foreign exporters, national consumers lose more than the foreign exporters, the only one who wins are the subsidized non-competitive national industries that need tariffs to survive, everyone else loses, but the consumers lose the most. Otherwise known as the purpose of a free market is to simply find the price of things free of the crippling effect of ideological baggage, and as a result nanny police state government attempts to control prices are not only pointless in the face of a global market, but also simply mischief to no good purpose.
Dougie93 Posted January 17, 2019 Report Posted January 17, 2019 Mind you the remedy is that you simply short those governments and their nanny socialist welfare gulags into bankruptcy and then restructure them by market force, otherwise known as creative destruction.
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