ann coulter

[peorgie]

i received the most disturbing email tonite about a debate of some sort on fox news. now maybe you have all seen this , maybe not. nonetheless i would like to show it to my fellow canadians as i will be deeply disappointed in my government if at the very least nothing is said about it. and if something has been said and you have all seen this video then i am sorry for wasting anyones time. i love my country very much and im very proud to be canadian which is why i am so shocked at this video. http://www.egoyk.com/video.asp?path=1213

[I Miss Trudeau]

Wow, Annie was being remarkably well bahaved in that interview. Never seen her so rational and compelling before.

[caesar]

Watch a more rational news service and ignore nut cases like Ann coulter.

[Trial-and-Error]

Good advice for Canadians, caesar. Unfortunately, the ignominious Coulter seems to have a following in the U.S. Still, I hope most Canadians appreciate the irony she and that other nutcase--whatshisname--project when they repeatedly flog the case (not!) that the U.S. is having to defend Canadian borders. Ain't it comforting to know that the fox (no pun intended) is guarding we chicks. If the day comes that the U.S. believes it can take Canada with no significant repurcussions from abroad, they're moving in cuz as you know we got everything they want--water, oil, natural gas, timber and a host of other natural resources. The only reason they look after Canuckstan is to protect their future.

[Newfie Canadian]

There has been plenty said here about Coulter.

Some of it in this thread:

http://www.mapleleafweb.com/community/foru...f=7&t=2321&st=0

For the record, and I believe I've said this before, she's out to lunch.

[kimmy]

i will be deeply disappointed in my government if at the very least nothing is said about it.

I would be deeply embarrassed if my government made any acknowledgement of Coulter at all. Why give her that kind of a boost?

I'm sure Coulter herself would love nothing more than to get into a public war of words with some representative of the government of Canada-- the higher ranking, the better. She could turn the whole experience into her next book. She's probably already even got a title picked out. Perhaps something like "Idiots and Igloos: Coulter Takes On Canada" or something equally high-brow would suit her.

Jessie Coulter = good

Ann Coulter = not so good

-kimmy

{"Storms never last, do they, baby?" -J. Coulter}

[Black Dog]

Coulter is just another act in the three-ring circus that is the U.S. conservative media (with Richard Schaife as ringmaster). As such, her opinions matter as much as O'Reilly's , Horowitz's, Hannity's, or any of the othe rclowns that tumble out of that tiny car. Which is not at all.

That her cadarevous visage is allowed on TV at all exposes the idea of "liberal media bias" as the lie it is.

[Black Dog]

Speaking of clowns...

ACLU bigger threat than Al Q'aeda: O'Reilly

[I Miss Trudeau]

Speaking of clowns...

ACLU bigger threat than Al Q'aeda: O'Reilly

Given the immense popularity of this nutwork in the US news industry, its becoming harder and harder to seperate criticism for the US government from criticism of the US people. The immense popularity of Fox defies explanation, unless there really is something wrong with most of the people down there.

[Cameron]

I may be a conservative, but that is just cheap TV. She said nothing that she can back-up. Diarreah of the mouth, that's all.

And Tucker (from the CNN clip) was let go by CNN because Cross-Fire sucked, because he rambled on everyday and didn't really make sence. His "democrat" debater was just boring to watch.

All these people are just jarring for air time, and it works. Look at the ammount of press she got for saying those things. Nothing more than stations looking to make money, like the rest of us.

[Fortunata]

FOX is nothing more than a mouth piece for the Bush regime. They keep their viewers incensed at what FOX portrays as the liberal left, they keep them afraid of that left, of terrorism, of Canada, of Mexican illegals, etc. etc. etc.

And yet some of the right right just eat it up and regurgitate it where ever they can. Sad.

[ft.niagara]

Wow. All this 'talk' over a wispy blond Ann Coulter. The left has had its version of AC (Michael Moore, Barbara S, etc) and hardly a wisper. AC keeps the fires lit, and the left can't stand that. The left appears heartless (Terri Scheivo), idealess (SS reform), incompetant in defense (John Kerry), and hypocritical in concept (no capital punishment vs. death by starvation). Ann Coulter is merely a tell it like it is type.

As far as Fox News, it is not a mouth organ for the Bush Adm. It is a business. It delivers the news (a product) in a manner people want to hear it. It is after all just a product. If you do not like the product, don't tune in. Duh.

[ft.niagara]

Given the immense popularity of this nutwork in the US news industry, its becoming harder and harder to seperate criticism for the US government from criticism of the US people. The immense popularity of Fox defies explanation, unless there really is something wrong with most of the people down there.

What a silly comment. Did you ever think of looking in the mirror? Following the posts on this board, Canada is disfunctional, and just ignores its disfunction. You have a French Quebec control of your government. Your English speaking 'majority' are quasi officially discriminated against. You send truck loads of money to French Canada for their 'happyness'. Your Prarie Sorts are getting tired of sending money east. No, the pontification from above is what defies explaination.

[I Miss Trudeau]

Did you ever think of looking in the mirror?

I do...regularly. Every morning in fact.

Following the posts on this board, Canada is disfunctional, and just ignores its disfunction.

Actually, most Canadians are fully aware of this fact. They just differ on how to solve it.

You have a French Quebec control of your government.

False.

Your English speaking 'majority' are quasi officially discriminated against.

Absurd.

You send truck loads of money to French Canada for their 'happyness'.

The blue states bear an inordinate share of the economic burden of the USA. Does that bother you?

Your Prarie Sorts are getting tired of sending money east.

Honestly, most of us prarie sorts are more tired of sending money to Klein's buddies in the energy sector than we are to sending money east. Probably much like the people of California.

No, the pontification from above is what defies explaination.

You claimed the point was silly, then ranted about the flaws of Canada. But you never offered an alternative explanation as to why so many people flock to a news source that produces demonstrably false reports, and hires absurd commentators who don't have a clue what they are talking about. You just regurgitated Annie's rant about the french and that was it.

[caesar]

What a silly comment. Did you ever think of looking in the mirror? Following the posts on this board, Canada is disfunctional, and just ignores its disfunction. You have a French Quebec control of your government. Your English speaking 'majority' are quasi officially discriminated against. You send truck loads of money to French Canada for their 'happyness'. Your Prarie Sorts are getting tired of sending money east. No, the pontification from above is what defies explaination.

Before you criticize Canada; take a good look at your own country> At least we didn't send our young soldiers off to kill innocent Iraqis on what is now admittedly (at least by government sources) as

U.S. Intelligence 'Dead Wrong' on Iraq-Report

We may have problems but we don't have a mass killing every few days

[Fortunata]

Yep, Ceasar's got a point.

Every country has it's dysfunctions. The difference between Canada's and the USA's is the number of innocent dead vs. french/english, east/west disparities. Which dysfunction would you choose?

Of course, we could go on about the number of perhaps innocents put to death at the hands of the state in the USA. And the number of bankruptcies as a result of lack of adequate medical insurance in the USA.

You get my point? Pick your poison.

[Black Dog]

Wow. All this 'talk' over a wispy blond Ann Coulter. The left has had its version of AC (Michael Moore, Barbara S, etc) and hardly a wisper.

Barbara Streisand is the left's Anne Coulter!?!? Say it ain't so, Babs!

AC keeps the fires lit, and the left can't stand that.

I guess if someone has to keep the flames of ignorance and stupidity running hot, Ann's the man for that job for sure.

The left appears heartless (Terri Scheivo), idealess (SS reform), incompetant in defense (John Kerry), and hypocritical in concept (no capital punishment vs. death by starvation).  Ann Coulter is merely a tell it like it is type.

Which makes you a "regurjitated talking-points" type, I suppose.

As far as Fox News, it is not a mouth organ for the Bush Adm. It is a business.

What makes you think the two concepts are mutually exclusive? They are not. In fact, being a Bush/G.O.P mouthpiece has been immensley profitable for FoxNews.

It delivers the news (a product) in a manner people want to hear it.

In other words; start with the lowest common demoninator. Then subtract. Fox is the cheif cog in the machine that is dragging down North American political discourse.

It is after all just a product. If you do not like the product, don't tune in. Duh.

I don't watch FauxNews. I've seen quite enough of it. However millions do, and I expect many of them are tuning in in hopes of "fair and balanced" coverage. What they get is propaganda, but most people simply aren't media-savvy enough to know the difference.

But Fox is a side issue. We're talking about Ann Coulter and her ilk. As I said, the fact that shrieking harridan gets face-time on television, despite her track record of lies and her utter lack of qualifications to comment on anything other than Prada handbags and fine cut Columbian blow, speaks volumes about the state of the media in the U.S.A.

Take the recent CBC Fifth Estate documentary that ruffled so many feathers on the right. The problem? Right wingers are used to existing in a media echo chamber where their views are allowed to go unchallenged. This is exemplafied by the Vietnam conversation between Coulter and the CBC reporter: Coulter was caught talking shit and was called on it. You could see how flummoxed she got when faced with something other than a bunch of talking heads bobbing in agreement.

Another example comes from the Terri Schiavo case when Dr. Ronald Cranford of the University of Minnesota Medical School a neurologist who examined Schiavo was grilled on right-winger Joe Scarbourough's show.

Transcript

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second, if I can interrupt here.

CRANFORD: Go ahead. Joe, interrupt me.

SCARBOROUGH: Why don't you go ahead and tell the rest of the story there? Why don't you tell us that the radiologist that looked at the two CAT scans said she showed improvement in 2002 over 1996? You know, you seem so sure of yourself. The Associated Press reported yesterday --

CRANFORD: Joe, the judge didn't believe him.

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second. Hold on a second. You're so sure of yourself -- respond to this. AP had a report yesterday. They said seven doctors have looked at her. Four said she was in persistent vegetative state. You were one of them, hired by Michael Schiavo to do that. There were three others that looked at her that disagreed. How can you be so absolutely sure that everybody that agrees with you is 100 percent accurate and everybody on the other side is a charlatan?

CRANFORD: Joe, Judge -- Judge [George W.] Greer disallowed, didn't believe what [Dr. William] Maxfield [a doctor selected by Terri Schiavo's parents] said. You got your numbers wrong. There were eight neurologists saw her. Seven of the eight said she was in a vegetative state. Only one said she wasn't.

SCARBOROUGH: I am quoting an Associated Press report from yesterday.

CRANFORD: Joe, you've got to get your facts straight.

SCARBOROUGH: I have got my facts straight.

CRANFORD: Get your facts straight. You've got your facts way off.

The only way many of the right's cherished beliefs can survive is in a hermeticaly-sealed environment, free of opposition or facts.

[ft.niagara]

Yep, Ceasar's got a point.

Every country has it's dysfunctions. The difference between Canada's and the USA's is the number of innocent dead vs. french/english, east/west disparities. Which dysfunction would you choose?

Of course, we could go on about the number of perhaps innocents put to death at the hands of the state in the USA. And the number of bankruptcies as a result of lack of adequate medical insurance in the USA.

You get my point? Pick your poison.

I think you could say it is disfunctional to not to deal with terrible crime in a manner appropriate to the crime for FEAR of doing harm.

The socialism in Canada is supported in part by NO military, which is tolerated because of proximity to the US.

The Iraq dysfunction is in part from 911 which DID NOT Happen in Canada. Most likely if an when such happens in Canada, you guys can sit in a circle, have a pray in, and sing songs.

[ft.niagara]

You claimed the point was silly, then ranted about the flaws of Canada. But you never offered an alternative explanation as to why so many people flock to a news source that produces demonstrably false reports, and hires absurd commentators who don't have a clue what they are talking about. You just regurgitated Annie's rant about the french and that was it.

I am using Firefox and the link did not work for me. I did not chase it into IE. I did not get to hear Annie's rant. I have seen plenty of posters lamenting Canada's situation here on this board. If her comments matched those posts from here, so be it.

What false reports? No clue as to what they are talking about? In your opinion perhaps. Fox News is owned by an AUSTRALIAN. If people did not like its manner, they would not watch it, its ratings would go down, it would lose money, and it would report differently. Fact is, many people do not find its reporting is not accurate. The commentators are not reporting the news, they comment on it. Again, don't listen to it. What bothers those here is that people DO listen to it, and believe me they are not as stupid as you believe them to be.

[Unpolarized]

Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11. Perhaps if Ann Coulter stopped talking and started thinking then this distinction would not be so difficult.

[ft.niagara]

Which makes you a "regurjitated talking-points" type, I suppose.

As far as Fox News, it is not a mouth organ for the Bush Adm. It is a business.

What makes you think the two concepts are mutually exclusive? They are not. In fact, being a Bush/G.O.P mouthpiece has been immensley profitable for FoxNews.

I have never seen 'talking points'. Any idea where I can get some? IMHO it is the left who are the king of talking points: no WMD, no WMD, no WMD.

You make Fox News into a quasigovernment sponsored propaganda machine. Talk about false reporting.

[ft.niagara]

Iraq has nothing to do with 9-11. Perhaps if Ann Coulter stopped talking and started thinking then this distinction would not be so difficult.

Says who, you? HaHaHa. Ann Coulter is a nonthinker and you are? HaHaHa.

[Black Dog]

I think you could say it is disfunctional to not to deal with terrible crime in a manner appropriate to the crime for FEAR of doing harm.

Are you talking about capital punishment? Interesting then, that the U.S. is the only industrialized western country to retain capital punishment. It's retention of that policy puts it in the same category as Syria, Iran, Saudi Arabia, China and other human rights standouts. But we're the one's that are dysfunctional?

The socialism in Canada is supported in part by NO military, which is tolerated because of proximity to the US.

We have a military. Granted, it's small and run down. But then, we really have little need of a military since we don't face any threats.

The Iraq dysfunction is in part from 911 which DID NOT Happen in Canada. Most likely if an when such happens in Canada, you guys can sit in a circle, have a pray in, and sing songs.

Iraq's only connection to 9-11 is that it gave the U.S. leadership the excuse they needeed to carry out their long-held dream of invading and occupying Iraq.

If people did not like its manner, they would not watch it, its ratings would go down, it would lose money, and it would report differently

You clearly don't understand anything about the media or propaganda techniques. For starters, you assume a audience endowed with critical thinking skills, an audience given to cynicism and second guessing "official" sources. An audience conditioned not to belive what they see on TV. An auidience that does not accept, or is at least aware of, the unspoken assumptions and conventional wisdom that frame all media discourse.

That is not the audience we're dealing with.

Fact is, many people do not find its reporting is not accurate.

That doesn't mean the reporting is accurate. That's like saying many people find American Idol to be a good show, therefore it is a good show.

I have never seen 'talking points'. Any idea where I can get some?

Yeah: Foxnews. They come packaged as news, so I'm not surprised you didn't catch them.

IMHO it is the left who are the king of talking points: no WMD, no WMD, no WMD.

Yeah you're right: just because we were 100 per cent correct on WMD is no reason to rub your noses in it.After all it was only the primary rationale behind the war in the first place.

[ft.niagara]

Another example comes from the Terri Schiavo case when Dr. Ronald Cranford of the University of Minnesota Medical School a neurologist who examined Schiavo was grilled on right-winger Joe Scarbourough's show.

Transcript

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second, if I can interrupt here.

CRANFORD: Go ahead. Joe, interrupt me.

SCARBOROUGH: Why don't you go ahead and tell the rest of the story there? Why don't you tell us that the radiologist that looked at the two CAT scans said she showed improvement in 2002 over 1996? You know, you seem so sure of yourself. The Associated Press reported yesterday --

CRANFORD: Joe, the judge didn't believe him.

SCARBOROUGH: Hold on a second. Hold on a second. You're so sure of yourself -- respond to this. AP had a report yesterday. They said seven doctors have looked at her. Four said she was in persistent vegetative state. You were one of them, hired by Michael Schiavo to do that. There were three others that looked at her that disagreed. How can you be so absolutely sure that everybody that agrees with you is 100 percent accurate and everybody on the other side is a charlatan?

CRANFORD: Joe, Judge -- Judge [George W.] Greer disallowed, didn't believe what [Dr. William] Maxfield [a doctor selected by Terri Schiavo's parents] said. You got your numbers wrong. There were eight neurologists saw her. Seven of the eight said she was in a vegetative state. Only one said she wasn't.

SCARBOROUGH: I am quoting an Associated Press report from yesterday.

CRANFORD: Joe, you've got to get your facts straight.

SCARBOROUGH: I have got my facts straight.

CRANFORD: Get your facts straight. You've got your facts way off.

The only way many of the right's cherished beliefs can survive is in a hermeticaly-sealed environment, free of opposition or facts.

HeHeHe. Joe SCARBOROUGH for your information is not on Fox News. He is on MSNBC.

Regardless of the good doctor, there were nine liscensed nurses which gave testamony that she was not brain dead, in their humble professional opinion. Further, the judge did not in those many years ever see fit to journey to her bed side. The husband did not recall her death wish until after settlement of a malpractice case, and his testamony as to her wishes should be viewed as compromised by MONEY. He went on to father two children by a third party during those years, and yet would not grant the parents wishes to divorce her. HE wanted her dead for his own purpose, a blind man can see that.

[Black Dog]

HeHeHe. Joe SCARBOROUGH for your information is not on Fox News. He is on MSNBC.

I never said he was on Fox news. I said he was a right-winger.

As for the Schiavo thing, I'm not interested in debating each side's merits here (there's a thread for that already). The point was to show that right-wingers don't know how to act when their orthodoxy is challenged. hey are so used to bullying and pushing people around that they are paralyzed when someopne pushes back.