Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 He didn’t declare war on Germany, that was Chamberlain. That’s one reason I said he never started a war. Great writer. Years ago I waded through all six volumes of his WW2. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 22 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Trump doesn't have to carry Churchill's briefcase....it is now America's briefcase...partially due to Churchill's decisions. "Never be separated from the Americans." - Winston Churchill (1955) You mean holding the fort for two years while you guys watched? "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, Wilber said: You mean holding the fort for two years while you guys watched? It was Britian's empire to hold....not America's. Should have learned the lesson first time around with WW1. The empire is gone...and Canadians watch Trump instead. Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 10 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It was Britian's empire to hold....not America's. Should have learned the lesson first time around with WW1. The empire is gone...and Canadians watch Trump instead. WW2 had nothing to do with holding Britain’s empire. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Argus Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 14 hours ago, August1991 said: I disagree. ==== In the 1930s, Argus, many people said the same of Churchill as you now say of Trump. Others said the same of Hitler - misunderstanding the profound difference. Churchill wrote a whole series of books. Trump has never even READ a book. His handlers have to feed him pretty colored chats to get him to pay attention to anything. I don't think there is any comparison to be made without drawing laughter. "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wilber said: WW2 had nothing to do with holding Britain’s empire. I'm sure you believe that, but then again, Canada didn't have much of a role in the Pacific theatre....the Americans, British, Kiwis, and Australians did. 1 Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 11 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I'm sure you believe that, but then again, Canada didn't have much of a role in the Pacific theatre....the Americans, British, Kiwis, and Australians did. Don't forget the Dutch. ABDA...and those shark infested waters of the Java Sea. 1 Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 (Technically...Hong Kong was part of ABDA...but we didn't rate a "C". Not that many of us Canajuns from the onset.) Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 53 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I'm sure you believe that, but then again, Canada didn't have much of a role in the Pacific theatre....the Americans, British, Kiwis, and Australians did. True but Canada had more presence in Europe than Australia or New Zealand. A big presence in the North Atlantic and 6 Group RCAF was capable of putting 200 Lancaster and Halifax bombers over Germany on any given night. My father was RCAF and he spent over two years in India and Burma attached to the RAF. He was already in the UK eight months before Pearl Harbor. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
Zeitgeist Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 13 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: It was Britian's empire to hold....not America's. Should have learned the lesson first time around with WW1. The empire is gone...and Canadians watch Trump instead. Churchill was a great leader and hero. Please don’t associate Trump with Churchill. We’re trying to move the world forward in spite of Trump. The recent synagogue mass murder and other hate crimes have echoes of Chrystalnacht and the Brown Shirts. I doubt we’d be seeing these events under Obama.
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: Don't forget the Dutch. ABDA...and those shark infested waters of the Java Sea. We have some good friends in California who are Dutch Americans. They were children when the Japanese invaded Dutch East Indies and spent the war in an internment camp. They can't stand Trump. Edited November 3, 2018 by Wilber "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 40 minutes ago, Wilber said: True but Canada had more presence in Europe than Australia or New Zealand. A big presence in the North Atlantic and 6 Group RCAF was capable of putting 200 Lancaster and Halifax bombers over Germany on any given night. My father was RCAF and he spent over two years in India and Burma attached to the RAF. He was already in the UK eight months before Pearl Harbor. I believe you....the sun never set on the British Empire or its subjects. American military pilots were in the UK and Asia...long before Pearl Harbour. That was then...this is now...and Trump is calling the shots. Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, DogOnPorch said: (Technically...Hong Kong was part of ABDA...but we didn't rate a "C". Not that many of us Canajuns from the onset.) A Winnipeg regiment was part of the Hong Kong garrison when the Japanese invaded "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Churchill was a great leader and hero. Please don’t associate Trump with Churchill. We’re trying to move the world forward in spite of Trump. The recent synagogue mass murder and other hate crimes have echoes of Chrystalnacht and the Brown Shirts. I doubt we’d be seeing these events under Obama. The world moved forward despite Churchill as well (e.g. India). Obama had plenty of "events" for Canada to observe...and ignore for partisan reasons. Economics trumps Virtue.
Wilber Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: I believe you....the sun never set on the British Empire or its subjects. American military pilots were in the UK and Asia...long before Pearl Harbour. That was then...this is now...and Trump is calling the shots. Sure there were, flying for the RAF and China. Lots of Canadians served in Viet Nam to. "Never trust a man who has not a single redeeming vice". WSC
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Wilber said: Sure there were, flying for the RAF and China. Lots of Canadians served in Viet Nam to. Indeed...more than served in the Pacific theatre during WW2. Americans are now deployed around the world....in Germany, Japan, and South Korea for over 60 years....Canada...not so much. Canada's foreign minister whines when leader Trump changes the game for American foreign policy and trade relations. Edited November 3, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 Canada has been there for most of the important battles for freedom and thankfully stayed out of some of the American adventures that made the world less safe. Don’t worry, BC, there’s plenty of dirt to pin on Canada too...America still number one though.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 3 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: Canada has been there for most of the important battles for freedom and thankfully stayed out of some of the American adventures that made the world less safe. Don’t worry, BC, there’s plenty of dirt to pin on Canada too...America still number one though. Fine...then why isn't Canada "leading" the free world ? Why so dependent and impacted by Donald Trump's decisions and actions...or any American president ? Economics trumps Virtue.
Zeitgeist Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 4 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Fine...then why isn't Canada "leading" the free world ? Why so dependent and impacted by Donald Trump's decisions and actions...or any American president ? We support the US government in most areas. I don’t like the level of impact. It becomes an issue every so often: Vietnam, invasion of Iraq...
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wilber said: A Winnipeg regiment was part of the Hong Kong garrison when the Japanese invaded Yes...and? Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
bush_cheney2004 Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 21 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We support the US government in most areas. I don’t like the level of impact. It becomes an issue every so often: Vietnam, invasion of Iraq... Translation: Canada supports its own economic and geo-political interests...as expected. Economics trumps Virtue.
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 1 hour ago, Wilber said: Sure there were, flying for the RAF and China. Lots of Canadians served in Viet Nam to. Several dozen Canadian officers served in Burma as part of officer exchange programs. As well Chinese Canadians were a big part of Force 136...a spy/intelligence agency in SEA during WW2. Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
DogOnPorch Posted November 3, 2018 Report Posted November 3, 2018 24 minutes ago, Zeitgeist said: We support the US government in most areas. I don’t like the level of impact. It becomes an issue every so often: Vietnam, invasion of Iraq... A lot of folks think the US invaded South Viet-Nam. Historians know that it was the NVA doing all the real invadin'... Nothing cracks a turtle like Leon Uris.
Zeitgeist Posted November 4, 2018 Report Posted November 4, 2018 19 hours ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Translation: Canada supports its own economic and geo-political interests...as expected. I don’t think it’s just Canadian interests. It’s human development beyond nationality.
Rue Posted November 4, 2018 Report Posted November 4, 2018 On 11/3/2018 at 12:12 PM, Wilber said: WW2 had nothing to do with holding Britain’s empire. He's American. They have difficulty with basic concepts such as Pearl Harbour, Japan, Nazi Germany. Don't expect too much. He thinks John Wayne was a heterosexual as well. I come to you to hell.
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