Terrorist Attack in Pittsburgh

[Rue]

7 minutes ago, taxme said:

That may be true. But it still does not take away from the fact that his own people turned on him and had him crucified for telling the truth and exposing the money changers. Fact and not fiction. But hey. 

Your attempt to revive the concept that Jews are responsible for the murder of Christ on this thread speaks for itself. It has nothing to do with the topic and everything to do with you trying to rationalize your hatred of Jews. You want to start a thread in the religious section blaming all Jews for killing Jesus go ahead. Wind yourself up.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎5‎/‎2018 at 5:45 PM, GostHacked said:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/pope-francis-anti-semitism-rabbis-vatican-1.4892779

How would one attempt to eradicate anti-semitism?  But I am confused by this line ...

Was this person who shot up the synagogue a Christian?

Look at your words . Your words join along with Taxme in an attempt to change the topic from who was shot and why to a dialogue that tries to label peoples' identity and you do not have the insight to understand the implications of such dialogue.

One does not eradicate hatred or anti Semitism. What they can do are to expose your words or the words of Taxme or anyone else

when in a discussion about the death of Jews, they can't acknowledge that this was an attack on Jews for simply being Jews which is what your role on this thread has been to date.

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Rue

[taxme]

On 11/5/2018 at 2:13 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

Bill Maher gets it on Islam but would gladly convert if it meant putting the boots to Trump.

A Jew converting to Islam? Now that would be funny to see. Besides, why would he want to do such a stupid thing as that anyway? Why join with your enemy? This would just show how a stupid a leftist liberal like Maher could be. LOL. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, taxme said:

A Jew converting to Islam? Now that would be funny to see. Besides, why would he want to do such a stupid thing as that anyway? Why join with your enemy? This would just show how a stupid a leftist liberal like Maher could be. LOL. 

 

Happens more than you think...do you recall Dawkin's famous run-in?

41 minute mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7GvwUsJ7w

 

[Rue]

8 minutes ago, taxme said:

A Jew converting to Islam? Now that would be funny to see. Besides, why would he want to do such a stupid thing as that anyway? Why join with your enemy? This would just show how a stupid a leftist liberal like Maher could be. LOL. 

The enemy. Now you use this forum and this thread on the death of Jews to call the entire nation of Islam an enemy. One thing is consistent  with your hatred, you hate a lot of people.

I will repeat it. The entire Muslim world is not an enemy. Specific individuals whose interpretation of Islam justifies their use of terrorism are and they are as much an enemy of Muslims as they are non Muslims.

You can't see that. Your labelling can not distinguish people within groups you identify. This is the same failed cognitive processing as the mass shooter of the Jews in Pittsburgh and you demonstrate it and demonstrate hatred is consistent in that it lumps all people of a perceived category into one negative object to hate.

If nothing else your continued dialogue illustrates profoundly the anatomy of cognitive profile of a mass killer of innocent people.

I also say it again to expunge your hatred, after the killings in Pittsburgh the Muslim community of Pittsburgh were one of the first groups to reach out to the Jewish community as we have been when they have been attacked. For that matter so have Christian groups.

As much as you would love to use the word enemy, Muslims, Jews, are not the enemy-if anything your words evidence you are an enemy of people.

 

 

[Rue]

9 minutes ago, DogOnPorch said:

 

Happens more than you think...do you recall Dawkin's famous run-in?

41 minute mark...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQ7GvwUsJ7w

 

Now you continue to fan his words. Do you think hijacking this thread to engage in bigoted references and acknowledge them makes them credible or your responses credible.

If you two really are this hung up on Jews and their converting to Islam start a religious thread and knock yourselves out.

[DogOnPorch]

While individual Muslims might or might not be the enemy of the Unbeliever, Islam...the doctrine...is the implacable ENEMY of Western Civilization. Period. 

[DogOnPorch]

1 minute ago, Rue said:

Now you continue to fan his words. Do you think hijacking this thread to engage in bigoted references and acknowledge them makes them credible or your responses credible.

If you two really are this hung up on Jews and their converting to Islam start a religious thread and knock yourselves out.

 

Jews convert to Islam and call former friends the enemy. Deal with it.

[taxme]

On 11/6/2018 at 10:03 AM, Rue said:

Now let's see. I reproduced your words and specifically those that show you tell people you follow the opinions of David Duke the former Grand Wizard of the KKKt and the forum should all learn from him and you  now what.... deny you are a KKK supporter? Lol. Go it.

You also stated and I quote: "And I stand by everything I said above."

Then do just that. You might also want to heed your own words above.

However this thread is not about you. Its about discussing what motivates people to kill others in houses of worship and think you do well in demonstrating the thought processes that lead to extremist ideologies and hatred as the above words demonstrate-and that remains the only point-your opinions, not you as a person.

 

 

 

 

Reproduce all the words you want. Why should I not listen to both sides of the story unlike you?  David Duke has an opinion and has the right to express his opinion. I have a right to listen to him. I never said that I was a follower of Duke? You keep saying that but with no proof to back it up. You lie as always. Hey, I am not telling anyone here to go listen to Duke. That is their business to do so if they wish too. Get with the memo will you. 

Again, I stand behind my words and opinions. Don't you do the same thing also? I am not afraid to do so and I will not run away like most cowards will do. Call them a racist and they go hiding in the closet. 

What words should I heed above?  Your words by chance? 

Everything is all about me. So?  LOL. Aren't you always here defending and protecting your people? Why can I not do the same about my people? 

It is the left wing lying liberal media and even some politicians that try to get people all worked up and want to go out and commit killings. Those morons mentioned are always trying to create divisions among all races and religions. I just challenge them on their creating of divisions. As far as I am concerned multiculturalism alone is going to cause great division in this once great nation because you cannot keep trying to force all races and religions and traditions and cultures into one country. Sooner or later something has to give. It's has too. Look at that incident where that Muslim woman lied about her kid being attacked by an Asian a year ago? That is what will happen more and more as our dear leaders keep on bringing in aliens who refuse to assimilate and hate our values and way of doing things. My opinion of course. FYI, I approve this message.   

[taxme]

21 minutes ago, Rue said:

Your attempt to revive the concept that Jews are responsible for the murder of Christ on this thread speaks for itself. It has nothing to do with the topic and everything to do with you trying to rationalize your hatred of Jews. You want to start a thread in the religious section blaming all Jews for killing Jesus go ahead. Wind yourself up.

I have only just given my opinion on that incident as others have done here also. It is you who is trying to make a big deal out of nothing. I may have thrown something in that maybe should not have been said but you have done the same thing many times in the past that did not belong in that topic. So stop trying to make it appear as though you are the only one here who has not done so. Just about everyone here has pretty much done that here also. It is you who needs to stop winding yourself up all the time. It appears to be making your replies a bit too dizzy for me to try and understand and reply. Just saying.  

[GostHacked]

58 minutes ago, Rue said:

Look at your words . Your words join along with Taxme in an attempt to change the topic from who was shot and why to a dialogue that tries to label peoples' identity and you do not have the insight to understand the implications of such dialogue.

One does not eradicate hatred or anti Semitism. What they can do are to expose your words or the words of Taxme or anyone else

when in a discussion about the death of Jews, they can't acknowledge that this was an attack on Jews for simply being Jews which is what your role on this thread has been to date.

 

I thought anti-semitism was part of this discussion?????????

[GostHacked]

58 minutes ago, Rue said:

The enemy. Now you use this forum and this thread on the death of Jews to call the entire nation of Islam an enemy.One thing is consistent  with your hatred, you hate a lot of people.

Funny you never take DogOnPorch to task for doing exactly that. and the only hate I see is from you against other members. Correction, looks like you are taking him to task.

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I will repeat it. The entire Muslim world is not an enemy. Specific individuals whose interpretation of Islam justifies their use of terrorism are and they are as much an enemy of Muslims as they are non Muslims.

The question was why would a Jew convert to Islam. Seems like a legit question.

Goyem to the left Goyem to the right. Oh the Jewmanity  ... 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by GostHacked

[DogOnPorch]

He seems upset I had a (famous) example...from The God Delusion.

Dawkins does upset a lot of folks...

[WestCanMan]

9 hours ago, GostHacked said:

Trump is not an anti-semite, and I never claimed he was. His high level of support of Israel shows that he is not.  I would not say outright that Obama or Trudeau are anti-semetic, but is it because they are critical of Israel or is it because they slighted Jews in some fashion?   Trudeau would have pissed off more than Jews if that was the case. He is making our nation look bad. I never said Trudeau was going to be a good PM. In fact I did say he was going to be bad in some ways.

Hold up there,  can you get me a direct quote on the bolded part? I am not doubting you, but this is the firs time I am hearing of it.

Right, because a crazy right-winger in the USA is obviously stupid enough to be influenced by Trudeau. A link you are still trying to make which seems to be failing.

Trudeau is the biggest problem in anti-semitism? Are you really making that statement? I would really like to see examples of that.  Because when you say Trudeau is the biggest problem regarding anti-semitism then you are also attempting to make that a link to this shooter's murderous anti-semetic actions.

https://www.bnaibrith.ca/sheikh_calls_for_eradication_of_israelis_at_toronto_al_quds_day_rally

At this year's Al Quds day rally one of these guys referenced a quote from the Koran about killing the last Jew that was hiding behind a tree. He said that time was coming. I'll try to find the exact quote.

Scheer tried to get Trudeau to specifically condemn that speech and all Trudeau did was say a generic "We categorically denounce all hate.... blah blah blah". He refused to comment on the rally, the speech regarding genocide or the imam who said it. 

[WestCanMan]

Here's Trudeau refusing to comment on it when prompted by Candice Bergen. FFWD to 3:00

https://www.therebel.media/update_trudeau_won_t_denounce_antisemitic_sheikh_but_pro_lifers_are_hateful

[eyeball]

1 hour ago, WestCanMan said:

Here's Trudeau refusing to comment on it when prompted by Candice Bergen. FFWD to 3:00

https://www.therebel.media/update_trudeau_won_t_denounce_antisemitic_sheikh_but_pro_lifers_are_hateful

WTF are you babbling about? FFWD to 3:27.

And this is what has caused you to say hate speech against Jews is legal in the US and is the biggest reason Jews were slaughtered in Pittsburgh?

You have one helluva nerve suggesting people get a grip.

[WestCanMan]

12 hours ago, eyeball said:

WTF are you babbling about? FFWD to 3:27.

And this is what has caused you to say hate speech against Jews is legal in the US and is the biggest reason Jews were slaughtered in Pittsburgh?

You have one helluva nerve suggesting people get a grip.

He gave a generic answer, not the specific condemnation which was appropriate. Do you get it?

If Donald Trump commits genocide somewhere and you say "What do you think about that?" and I say "Genocide is bad and abhor all acts of genocide" but I refuse to say that Trump is a bad person, or that he committed a horrible act which cannot be forgiven, do you now understand why my comments would fall short of the mark? Would you not be expecting an answer more along the lines of "He's a war criminal and he should be treated as such?"

When that girl came out with the hijab hoax Trudeau didn't give a generic answer about how bad both sides are. He specifically commented on that incident and generally commented on how bad Canadians are, and how there are too many attacks against young girls of race (as if that's a real thing). Then when it all came out that it was a hoax he didn't shame anyone, he didn't apologize, he just doubled down. So you see that Trudeau does speak specifically to some incidents, just not the ones that are actually really bad and show true forethought and malice.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 3:52 PM, DogOnPorch said:

 

Jews convert to Islam and call former friends the enemy. Deal with it.

Deal with the fact it has nothing to do with the thread.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:46 PM, GostHacked said:

 

The question was why would a Jew convert to Islam. Seems like a legit question.

Goyem to the left Goyem to the right. Oh the Jewmanity  ... 

 

It has nothing to do with the thread.

The second ignorant comment has everything to do with your role on this thread.

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 5:43 PM, DogOnPorch said:

He seems upset I had a (famous) example...from The God Delusion.

Dawkins does upset a lot of folks...

The fact that Dawkins  contends that "God"  does not exist  has nothing to do with this thread.

This thread was to comment on the killing of innocent Jews and specific individuals have hijacked it to avoid discussing that.

You should no why they have hijacked it and deflect.

Now I put it right back on track. Again a mass shooting this time 12 students and a Sheriff. Again the common denominator will be a white man, in his late twenties to early thirties with feelings of inferiority, lack of control of his life and tries to compensate for his feelings of impotency in society by shooting off a gun (phallic extension) to violate innocent people. Its an attempt to regain control, power, might. Its the product of a mind in a body that is conflicted and has bought into a me against the world, us against them, cognitive process.

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:42 PM, GostHacked said:

I thought anti-semitism was part of this discussion?????????

It is, but your comments do not discuss how the mass shooting is an expression of anti-Semitism or for that matter how anti-Semitism and extremism fuels such shootings. Your words evidence deliberate deflection from the topic and the latest drivel from you:

"Goyem to the left Goyem to the right. Oh the Jewmanity  ...  ".

Your words and their ignorance speak for themselves. Is that your idea of humour? Wit? Sarcasm? Jewmanity?  You can't go a sentence without slipping in to your contemptuous tone about Jews.

 

Edited November 8, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:09 PM, taxme said:

 

I may have thrown something in that maybe should not have been said but you have done the same thing many times in the past that did not belong in that topic.

So stop trying to make it appear as though you are the only one here who has not done so.

It appears to be making your replies a bit too dizzy for me to try and understand and reply. Just saying.  

1-I probably have yes but the reason I challenge your words and its your words I challenge and your positions you state you defend and agree with, that I challenge.

2-This is not about "throwing something in that maybe should not have been said....". Don't pose as an innocent victim under attack for  your views. Wear what you write.

You came on this forum back in 2016  to say you support David Duke the former head of the KKK and a crack pot anti semite called Brother Nathaniel. You made a point of advertising that.  Then you denied your KKK connection. You asked me for the words. I showed them. You said you wrote them and stand by them. Then in the next breath claim I am a liar suggesting you support neo Nazism and the KKK which is exactly what Duke does. Anyone can go on the internet and find his connection to neo Nazi movements, wearing Nazi uniforms in public, being deported from Czechoslovakia and Italy for neo Nazi rallies-supporting the neo Nazi Ernst Zundel in Canada, on and on.

You came on this thread and decided to use it to respond to the innocent of killing of Jews by stating Jews victimize people. That is called inversion. Christians are being shot dead in churches, Jews in synagogues, Muslims in Mosques. Responding to that by suggesting Muslims victimize or Jews victimize is being called out as it should be. It's not material or relevant to why this person attacked innocent people. Using your reasoning women who are raped have no right to challenge rape because other women have abused men or women. Using your argument, the killing of innocent Christians in church should not be discussed because other Christians are in the KKK or attack people. Using your argument innocent Muslims being killed is not to  be discussed because other Muslims are terrorist extremists. You use such divisive generalizations and are challenged on them. Every time you assign any group you identify as a group with negative generalizations or characteristics, you engage in the very same behavioural process as that killer and I will challenge that kind of hateful cognitive processing. Period.

3-That point being made by me  isn't making you dizzy. You just don't like being called out for your views.  Duke continues as we speak to promote the white genocide conspiracy theory and says claims we Jews are "organising white genocide. Of course I challenge you and he for such views and call you out on this thread for what you are saying about Jews.

Why would that make you dizzy?

Here is a quote from Duke:

"They're  (Jews)  trying to exterminate our race. I think, probably in a moral sense, the Jewish people have been a blight. I mean as a whole, not every Jew. And they probably deserve to go into the ashbin of history. But saying that and actually shooting or killing people in masses, are two different things. I'm not advocating extermination. I think the best thing is to resettle them in someplace where they can't exploit others. And I don't think they can live among themselves, I really don't."

Finally why do you call yourself a patriotic conservative? Why are you afraid to call yourself a white supremacist. Do you deny you think whites are superior to blacks and Jews? Go on say it. Say you love Jew Christ killers, blacks, Muslims,  Catholics, Siekhs. Say it. Lol.  Why do you tell people to learn from David Duke and then utter you are a patriotic conservative and not a KKK or neo Nazi supporter? Does it sound  better for you? You think it hides you follow the views and  agenda of Duke against Jews that you told us we can learn from?

Anyone can call themselves as liberal, a conservative, a socialist. Quite frankly we all throw out the words on this forum loosely. All of us. However unlike you I don't tend to read or learn from David Duke like you do. I prefer people who make me dizzy when I read.

I don't doubt you get dizzy when someone tries to explain to you fiscal conservative does not want governments spending out of control and incurring huge debts as Trudeau is doing.....or if they tell you  a bio-conservative has great concerns about certain kinds of technological advances, i.e., cloning, mutation of seeds and food sources, genetic engineering, artificial intelligence.....or that an environmental conservative has great concerns that we are not preserving our ecosphere and obeying  the rules of nature which they believe an inherent set of rules we humans must follow or by rejecting face extermination of not just our life form but many others on this planet.....or if they tell you  a classic conservative  believes the  individual is given the gift of free will and that political freedom can't exist without economic freedom and so this is why they prefer market driven economies than centrally controlled or communist state run  economic markets....or that while  they support certain institutional values such as the rule of law, having a constitution, having traditions that encourage law and order, stability, peace,  it does not mean it  prevents or  suspends individual rights.

Your attempts to create inversion and suggest Jews are victimizers on a thread discussing killing innocent Jews is just a variation of the bullcrap inversion anti semites engage in over the holocaust and attacks in history on Jews for thousands of years. This is why you claim Jews killed Christ. This then suits your  inversion argument that Jews are not murdered buyt are murderers and so deserve to be murdered. Oh I get it Taxme.

Patriotic conservatism no.  Its called Jew hate.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:01 PM, taxme said:

David Duke has an opinion and has the right to express his opinion. I have a right to listen to him. I never said that I was a follower of Duke? You keep saying that but with no proof to back it up. You lie as always. Hey, I am not telling anyone here to go listen to Duke. That is their business to do so if they wish too. Get with the memo will you. 

...Again, I stand behind my words and opinions. Don't you do the same thing also? I am not afraid to do so and I will not run away like most cowards will do. Call them a racist and they go hiding in the closet.

 

Yes I saw the "memo" you wrote on this forum and reproduced it and you now try deny it. You stated on Oct. 2, 2016 in a response to the thread "  Israel War Crimes Part 2", the following words:

"You should listen to Brother Nathaniel, David Duke and James Edwards for a change. You might learn something like I have."

You did in fact tell people to listen to Duke and learn from him.

You clearly don't stand behind your words and opinions. As quick as you say you do, you deny them. Clearly you are afraid. Your closet is where you hide is in fact under a cloak called "patriotic conservatism".

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 4:01 PM, taxme said:

 

It is the left wing lying liberal media and even some politicians that try to get people all worked up and want to go out and commit killings. Those morons mentioned are always trying to create divisions among all races and religions. I just challenge them on their creating of divisions.

....Look at that incident where that Muslim woman lied about her kid being attacked by an Asian a year ago? That is what will happen more and more as our dear leaders keep on bringing in aliens who refuse to assimilate and hate our values and way of doing things. My opinion of course. FYI, I approve this message.   

In the first comment you accuse the "left wing lying liberal media" and "some politicians" trying to get people all worked up and "want (sic)to go out and commit killings. You accuse them of trying to create divisions among all races and religions. Then less then two sentences later you single out a Muslim woman and single out her race and religion under the label "aliens" who refuse to assimilate and hate our values and way(sic) of doing things. Its there for all to see. You slur Muslims as refusing to assimilate and hate our values and ways of doing things with the label aliens. Now see her being Muslim was crucial for you to single out, but then suddenly she becomes a part of a bigger group called "aliens".

How  do  you know all these aliens. What is it in you that assumes these "aliens" including this Muslim liar of course, refuse to assimilate and hate "our" values? Did you talk to these "aliens" and find this out or do you assume any one who is a Muslim is a liar and fits in this category or anyone who is black, a Jew, not the kind of Christian you like, etc., is an alien? Hmmm?

You don't even have the balls after using a lying Muslim as an example of the kind of alien you hate, to admit you hate only those aliens that don't meet your definition of approved migrant.

That brings us to this earlier comment from you and I quote:

"Everything is all about me. So?  LOL. Aren't you always here defending and protecting your people (Jews)? Why can I not do the same about my people? "

When I asked you in the past who your people were you in a previous post you said white people. As you are aware David Duke says Jews are not white people but the left when defining who visible minorities are call us Jews white.

More importantly when I pushed you on the word white and asked you if you consider Jews are white and whether you are protecting Jews, you said you meant whites from Britain. What about whites that want nothing to do with you? Do you protect them? Do you think by hating Jews or people other than "your people" that hatred of others protects whites?

Its an interesting method of protection, going around wearing Nazi uniforms, hoods, burning crosses.

See now you ask me aren't I always defending and protecting "your" people. Well if you mean humans, i.e., Muslims, Jews, Christians, anyone against being innocently killed or hated, you bet I do and not just Jews. If it was only Jews it would be a moot point. The sad thing is you don't stop at Jews do you?

 

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Rue

[Rue]

On ‎11‎/‎7‎/‎2018 at 3:51 PM, DogOnPorch said:

While individual Muslims might or might not be the enemy of the Unbeliever, Islam...the doctrine...is the implacable ENEMY of Western Civilization. Period. 

Not the way Ahmadis practice Islamic doctrine. 

Not the way Ismaelis practice Islamic doctrine.

Not the way Liberal Muslims (Sunni, Shiite) practice Islamic doctrine.

Not the way Circassian Muslims practice Islamic doctrine.

The "doctrine" as you call it, mutates, or changes shape or changes meaning depending on whose hands it is in.

At one point the Torah and the way Jews practiced it was considered the implacable enemy of the Western World. Taxme  and many on this board still believe that cloaking it as being "anti Zionist".

The way the KKK or other extremist groups  practice Christian doctrine that doctrine can become the implacable enemy of Western civilization. 

What is your point? Is your point that Islamic doctrine can never be used by a Muslim to support Western values? It is done every day by Muslims in Canada. Are you saying they can not?

I am the first to argue Islam has references to dhimmitude and describing Jews and Christians and non believers as inferior and not allowed to own land let alone have nations but do every single Muslim believe that in this world? I am the first to say many Muslims of the Middle East still believe their Islamic doctrine says that and its at the root of the conflict between Israel and Palestine but does it mean every single Muslim thinks that way?

No I don't throw the entire religion under the bus. Why would I? Christianity has been used to justify war and slavery, and so was Judaism at one point and a minority of extremist Jews on the West Bank have uses Judaism to justify violence.  Dies that mean all Judaism  is violent? Judaism and Christianity took a long time to evolved past such interpretations of their doctrines and still are evolving...,just as Islam is doing with its Muslim moderates and progressives including many who came to Canada to get away from extremists of their own religion. Islam has not been around as long as Judaism or Christianity. Its back where both Judaism and Christianity were before they moved on.

So that is where you and I will always strongly differ. I will NOT give Islamic doctrine an all or nothing definition. I believe like any religion it mutates or morphs in the hands of its user. I believe as individuals, we have the gift of free choice and the choice to use any of these doctrines for mutual benefit and peace or to divide is within each of us,. I do not believe in religion as a pre-existing force outside our souls that controls us but we can't control and are simply condemned to follow without question. I don't buy into that the exact same reason I don't buy into Satanism, or Hedonism either.

Its why I will not define all Muslims as being the enemy of Israel or the West or Jews simply assuming because they are Muslim it has to be that way. That is as defective and negative stereotypical as assuming all Jews or all Zionist Jews are the enemy of the West as the anti Zionists and anti semites do on this board.

How many times have I heard the anti-semitic stereotype that we Jews think we are "chosen" meaning we think we are superior to non Jews. People say that  as well about Muslims and Christians as well and pointing to their religious wars and  slavery how they try to convert people. We Jews at one point were involved in wars with non Jews and forced conversion on people and had slaves and evolved. So then did Christians. Why won't the same evolution also happen with Islam?

Don't suggest I am naïve. I don't apologize for Muslim extremist beliefs or terrorism on this board but no, I won't throw out the entire religion and doctrine and therefore anyone who practices Islam automatically as an enemy of the West. That is as a bigoted or close minded as what Taxme et al  say about Jews couched as Zionists.

I call you out for the same reason with Muslims and I have called others out when they have made negative generalizations about Christian religion in a sweeping generalistic manner.

I have the  exact same problem with how any religion is used violently or to hate or justify division but  inversely I have the same respect when any religious doctrine is used to promote tolerance, peace. How the individual chooses to use these religions begins and ends with their free choice.

By the way Dawkins may  have been an atheist but he did not label all believers of a greater thing beyond all things in a negative manner. He was respectful at all times in his debates. In fact I support his respect of apes and his argument they should not be caged. He was a very tolerant individual. He didn't claim he was all knowing. In fact he denied it. I embrace that. I do not claim to know anything other than that I know its not right to think I know about how others use their words until they write them, then I debate them and I then could be right or wrong in my responses. When I see people making negative assumptions about an entire people, yah I challenge it.

Yes some religious followers are zombies, terrorists, brain-washed or have lost their free will  and they create havoc. They not their religion are being controlled  either by their own primal behaviours they can't repress or by deficient emotional, psychological or physical phenomena that make them easy to manipulate for the interests of another.

People who choose to use religion to justify violence however turn themselves not their religion into the weapon. The doctrine is not what kills, its the way they use the doctrine to justify getting a gun and shooting that does.

So we must ask why did they believe their doctrine gave them only the choices they decided upon. What would cause them to believe the only method of expression of their beliefs, values, feelings, was through violence?

Your labelling the doctrine avoids asking those questions and so will never be able to resolve what causes the USE of the doctrine not the doctrine itself to go bloody.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 9, 2018 by Rue

[DogOnPorch]

1 hour ago, Rue said:

I will NOT give Islamic doctrine an all or nothing definition.

 

That's nice of you.