JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Yes I realized that, lol. Anywho, Bebe Neuwurth, to get back on topic, played Frasier Crane's ex wife, Lilith. She was a nurse in the alien hospital in that episode. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, bcsapper said: Because they know it can't happen in real life. Replicators. Sure... I can't wait until we have those. "Tea, Earl Grey, hot." Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 13 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: Well, getting back to the main topic... What do you mean "Elizabethan knock offs"? Star Trek scripts started to suffer with very thin story lines (and costumes) based on old world/classic themes delivered like Shakespeare plays, which suited Shatner's training and experience quite well, but became quite tedious for some fans (like me). There were plots based Greek gods, kings, queens, vanity, hubris, and "seven deadly sins" that often did not translate well into the futuristic, technical context that was Star Trek. Shatner would deliver his lines like an Elizabethan play. Edited October 28, 2018 by bush_cheney2004 Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, JamesHackerMP said: Beats me. It works both ways. I always dug the fancy weaponry of sci-fi myself. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
eyeball Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Star Trek scripts started to suffer with very thin story lines (and costumes) based on old world/classic themes delivered like Shakespeare plays, which suited Shatner's training and experience quite well, but became quite tedious for some fans (like me). There were plots based Greek gods, kings, queens, vanity, hubris, and "seven deadly sins" that often did not translate well into the futuristic, technical context that was Star Trek. They also didn't really fit the commie context. I didn't like those one's either. Edited October 28, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Star Trek scripts started to suffer with very thin story lines (and costumes) based on old world/classic themes delivered like Shakespeare plays, which suited Shatner's training and experience quite well, but became quite tedious for some fans (like me). There were plots based Greek gods, kings, queens, vanity, hubris, and "seven deadly sins" that often did not translate well into the futuristic, technical context that was Star Trek. Shatner would deliver his lines like an Elizabethan play. Like in the episode A Taste of Armageddon where he delivers a little soliloquy on war? Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 10 minutes ago, eyeball said: He probably means any episodes that extol virtue. Speaking of which I find it oddly reassuring that so many right-wingers enjoy the adventures of an Earth-ship full of commies (they don't even have money!) spreading the good word thru the galaxy. They had money...called "federation credits". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 I always enjoyed Star Trek episodes that entail time-travel and of course who can resist all those prime directives? The Borg have definitely brought a dramatic aspect to the show as well. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Yes, but don't forget, Capt Picard in the first contact movie said they aren't interested in the acquisition of wealth in the 24th century. They work to better themselves, instead. Yadda, yadda, yadda. Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, eyeball said: I always enjoyed Star Trek episodes that entail time-travel and of course who can resist all those prime directives? The Borg have definitely brought a dramatic aspect to the show as well. Yeah they mess around with Time Travel quite a bit. THey just can't resist. And they always get in trouble when they do. Silly buggers.... Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
eyeball Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: They had money...called "federation credits". Quote I disagree. In Star Trek: First Contact, Picard clearly states that not only does money not exist, but that people are not paid for their work, because they work to "better themselves", and not for a salary. In an episode of DS9 (I forget which), Jake Sisko tells Nog that, as a Federation citizen, he has no financial ressources whatsoever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AFederation_credit Commies thru and thru I tells ya. Edited October 28, 2018 by eyeball Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
Guest Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, JamesHackerMP said: Yeah they mess around with Time Travel quite a bit. THey just can't resist. And they always get in trouble when they do. Silly buggers.... Loved it when they found Data's head in 19th century San Francisco... Quote
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 4 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: Like in the episode A Taste of Armageddon where he delivers a little soliloquy on war? Yes....that style of delivery became a bit sanctimonious and tedious for a "star ship commander". Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Oh yeah, in the episode with Mark Twain. Loved that one (Time's Arrow). Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 1 minute ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Yes....that style of delivery became a bit sanctimonious and tedious for a "star ship commander". Mmm, indeed. Kind of like a Jerry Springer "final thought." Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: Yeah they mess around with Time Travel quite a bit. THey just can't resist. And they always get in trouble when they do. Silly buggers.... Agreed....the follow on productions do not appeal to me at much...original "TOS" Trekkies are big on unbroken, technical continuity. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
eyeball Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: Except that I'm not a right-winger You getting a better Idea of where I'm coming from? I think the incongruity is telling but maybe I'm missing something. Quote A government without public oversight is like a nuclear plant without lead shielding.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, eyeball said: You getting a better Idea of where I'm coming from? I think the incongruity is telling but maybe I'm missing something. Incongruity.....one sec I need my dictionary. Ok got it. But I'm still missing something here..... Oh ok yeah I get it. THe incongruity of right wingers liking Star Trek? Sorry I'm a bit slow on the uptake tonight. Edited October 28, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Agreed....the follow on productions do not appeal to me at much...original "TOS" Trekkies are big on unbroken, technical continuity. I like how when they land in San Francisco in the 1980s, Kirk says "everybody remember where we parked." The even numbered Trek movies (original ones) were better than the odd-numbered ones. did you know....Seth MacFarlane was in two episodes of "Enterprise" series? And King Abdullah of Jordan (then the crown prince) was in an episode of "Voyager" but only as a visual cameo, no lines. Edited October 28, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 29 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: did you know....Seth MacFarlane was in two episodes of "Enterprise" series? And King Abdullah of Jordan (then the crown prince) was in an episode of "Voyager" but only as a visual cameo, no lines. Not surprising....Hollywood would often use popular celebs and public figures in their productions. "Assignment: Earth" featured Robert Lansing, a very accomplished actor fresh off of TV success in "12 O'clock High". Alice Krige (Ghost Story [1981]) was outstanding as the Borg Queen, hardly breaking a sweat with her acting chops. Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 (edited) 19 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said: Not surprising....Hollywood would often use popular celebs and public figures in their productions. "Assignment: Earth" featured Robert Lansing, a very accomplished actor fresh off of TV success in "12 O'clock High". Alice Krige (Ghost Story [1981]) was outstanding as the Borg Queen, hardly breaking a sweat with her acting chops. Then there was Suzie Plakson in the episode with the civil war in the Q continuum. (The Q and the Gray). I think she and Harve Presnell (Q's opponent in the war) were both in civil war movies? Maybe I"m wrong about that, but I know Plakson had been in things before that. I love the line she has "tossed aside...for someone 4 billion years younger!" Teri Garr was in Assignment: Earth. She was Inga in Young Frankenstein. Edited October 28, 2018 by JamesHackerMP Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
bush_cheney2004 Posted October 28, 2018 Report Posted October 28, 2018 2 minutes ago, JamesHackerMP said: Then there was Suzie Plakson in the episode with the civil war in the Q continuum. (The Q and the Gray). I think she and Harve Presnell (Q's opponent in the war) were both in civil war movies? Maybe I"m wrong about that, but I know Plakson had been in a lot. That was another issue that the series (and films) never distanced themselves from....the portrayal of female characters as sex objects, which ultimately cemented the term "cat suit" in popular culture with the character Seven of Nine (although "Batman" had them first). Quote Economics trumps Virtue.
JamesHackerMP Posted October 28, 2018 Author Report Posted October 28, 2018 Just now, bush_cheney2004 said: That was another issue that the series (and films) never distanced themselves from....the portrayal of female characters as sex objects, which ultimately cemented the term "cat suit" in popular culture with the character Seven of Nine (although "Batman" had them first). Yes. Both Seven and T'pol were....um, generously endowed. (Forgive the crudity/crassness). Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
JamesHackerMP Posted January 3, 2019 Author Report Posted January 3, 2019 (edited) I wanted to add something since I'm watching Voyager series now. I think they refrained from the "cat suit thing" at least for the first four seasons. But I don't think that Seven was merely a sex object. There was a lot of versatility in her character despite it seeming narrow at face value. The two-parter where some aliens (Hirogen "hunters") took over the ship and forced them to play war in the Holodeck (with consequences); I liked her in that one. Edited January 3, 2019 by JamesHackerMP Quote "We're not above nature, Mr Hacker, we're part of it. Men are animals, too!" "I know that, I've just come from the House of Commons!" [Yes, Minister]
Argus Posted January 3, 2019 Report Posted January 3, 2019 On 10/28/2018 at 12:43 AM, JamesHackerMP said: Yes. Both Seven and T'pol were....um, generously endowed. (Forgive the crudity/crassness). If you think that's crude you clearly haven't been on the internet for long. I think they both did topless shots, too... Quote "A liberal is someone who claims to be open to all points of view — and then is surprised and offended to find there are other points of view.” William F Buckley
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