Israel's Discriminatory so-called Justice System

[marcus]

4 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

All you are doing is illustrating the democracy and freedom that exists within Israel. Of course there are Israelis - probably a sizable minority - who are opposed to the settlements. What you perceive as a weakness is in fact, their biggest strength. Trying to negotiate peace with a holocaust denier (Abbas) and a terrorist organization (Hamas) is like dancing on knives. Any strategy will have its detractors. What do you think Hamas would do to Palestinians who wanted to leave Israel alone and stop all the fighting? I can guarantee you that there are multitudes who want an and to the fighting and just be able to raise their families. Where are those voices? Their silence is deafening. 

The problem with you Israel-apologists is that whenever Israel is criticized, you right away lower the bar to excuse Israel's actions. Abbas making comments about the holocaust, or Hamas' stupid and illegal actions does not excuse Israel shooting protesters and then the government cheering them on. That kind of democracy would never fly in Canada or the U.S. This is stuff you'd see in Egypt.

The reason for the post I made is to show that the narrative you keep hearing from Israeli-apologist is a lie. Have a listen to the podcast. These Israelis are more than just "against the settlements". 

 

 

[bush_cheney2004]

42 minutes ago, marcus said:

... That kind of democracy would never fly in Canada or the U.S. This is stuff you'd see in Egypt.

The reason for the post I made is to show that the narrative you keep hearing from Israeli-apologist is a lie. Have a listen to the podcast. These Israelis are more than just "against the settlements".

 

OK...but "settlements" on occupied territory are very, very popular in Canada or the U.S....don't need a podcast to prove that.

Again, not sure why Israel is held to a different standard.

Edited May 4, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[CITIZEN_2015]

23 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Again, not sure why Israel is held to a different standard.

Read my earlier post about the debate between me and my Russian friend about Russian soldiers raping defenseless German women after fall of Berlin. She said Germans also raped many Russian women when they had captured Russia!!!, Well, I said they were Nazis and it was expected of them however, Russia was fighting the nazis and they were held to a different standard but they proven that they are same by their actions..............

Israel is held to a different standard than Arabs because they are thought (or they claim) to be a democracy whereas everyone is aware of violent past and present of Arabs. So as why Israel is held to a different standard unless you admit and acknowledge that Israelis are as bad as Arabs, that is Violent, hateful, invaders, destroyers............

Edited May 4, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

9 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Read my earlier post about the debate between me and my Russian friend about Russian soldiers raping defenseless German women after fall of Berlin. She said Germans also raped many Russian women when they had captured Russia!!!, Well, I said they were Nazis and it was expected of them however, Russia was fighting the nazis and they were held to a different standard but they proven that they are same by their actions..............

 

Agreed, but most German soldiers were not Nazis, and committed crimes against civilians just like any other conquering army, including the U.S. and Canada.

 

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Israel is held to a different standard than Arabs because they are thought (or they claim) to be a democracy whereas everyone is aware of violent past and present of Arabs. So as why Israel is held to a different standard unless you admit and acknoeledge that Israelis are the same as Arabs, Violent, hateful, invaders, destroyers............

 

My point above has nothing to do with Arab standards....I am asking why Israel is being held to a different standard than Canada and the United States, as both have a much longer history of land theft, occupation, resource extraction, "genocide", etc., etc., all while being "democracies".

Edited May 4, 2018 by bush_cheney2004

[CITIZEN_2015]

33 minutes ago, bush_cheney2004 said:

 

Agreed, but most German soldiers were not Nazis, and committed crimes against civilians just like any other conquering army, including the U.S. and Canada.

Most German soldiers who were fighting for Nazi Germany were not nazis!!!!!!!???? Where on earth did you come up with something like that? Even most of non-army population of Germany in the 30's were nazis because nazis were ELECTED by German people to power, they didn't grap power by military coup or it wasn't an unelected or forceful take over. Never mind the army which was almost everyday saluting their leader, Hitler.

Don't bring in Canada into here as Canadians soldiers never raped anyone in any war.

Edited May 4, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[bush_cheney2004]

17 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Most German soldiers who were fighting for Nazi Germany were not nazis!!!!!!!???? Where on earth did you come up with something like that? Even most of non-army population of Germany in the 30's were nazis because nazis were ELECTED by German people to power, they didn't grap power by military coup or it wasn't an unelected or forceful take over. Never mind the army which was almost everyday saluting their leader, Hitler.

 

All Canadian soldiers were/are not Liberals.    Likewise, not all German soldiers were Nazis, and not all Israeli soldiers are Zionists.

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Don't bring in Canada into here as Canadians soldiers never raped anyone in any war.

 

Nonsense...like many other nations' soldiers, a small percentage of Canadians raped and pillaged as conquerors, drunken violence, and "spoils of war".

The IDF will commit "crimes", just as American and Canadian units have done in the past.  

[Centerpiece]

2 hours ago, marcus said:

The problem with you Israel-apologists is that whenever Israel is criticized, you right away lower the bar to excuse Israel's actions. Abbas making comments about the holocaust, or Hamas' stupid and illegal actions does not excuse Israel shooting protesters and then the government cheering them on. That kind of democracy would never fly in Canada or the U.S. This is stuff you'd see in Egypt.

The reason for the post I made is to show that the narrative you keep hearing from Israeli-apologist is a lie. Have a listen to the podcast. These Israelis are more than just "against the settlements". 

 

 

This whole Hamas orchestrated fiasco is called the March for the Right of Return. The right of return is simply a euphemism for the elimination of the Jewish State. Forget how the land was lost 70 years ago - and the fact that all the original landowners are dead? Somehow identify all the descendants and give all the land back to them and start the process of Arabs quickly outnumbering Israelis and booting Jews out of their own country. That would of course make perfect sense to any Jew-hater - of which there are plenty. Funny thing is, it's hard to find Palestinian-haters among what you call "Israeli apologists". As I've said many times - accept Israelis/Jews the right to their own state and peace will come - it's really that simple.

[marcus]

10 minutes ago, Centerpiece said:

This whole Hamas orchestrated fiasco is called the March for the Right of Return. The right of return is simply a euphemism for the elimination of the Jewish State. Forget how the land was lost 70 years ago - and the fact that all the original landowners are dead? Somehow identify all the descendants and give all the land back to them and start the process of Arabs quickly outnumbering Israelis and booting Jews out of their own country. That would of course make perfect sense to any Jew-hater - of which there are plenty. Funny thing is, it's hard to find Palestinian-haters among what you call "Israeli apologists". As I've said many times - accept Israelis/Jews the right to their own state and peace will come - it's really that simple.

Still making excuses for Israel's blatant violation of international law. These cowards are sitting behind bunkers and picking off unarmed Palestinians who are protesting and then laughing about it.

We can now see how it was possible for normal human beings, like the German Nazis, to show so little morality and ethics when dealing with "the other people".

 

[CITIZEN_2015]

2 minutes ago, marcus said:

Still making excuses for Israel's blatant violation of international law. These cowards are sitting behind bunkers and picking off unarmed Palestinians who are protesting and then laughing about it.

We can now see how it was possible for normal human beings, like the German Nazis, to show so little morality and ethics when dealing with "the other people".

 

I guess it is no worse than when Arab terrorist yelling Allah Akbar just before he or she explodes himself/herself killing an innocent crowd.

There is too much hate on both sides and both sides are guilty of hate and killing. Lets be unbiased in our analysis and comments.

[marcus]

26 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I guess it is no worse than when Arab terrorist yelling Allah Akbar just before he or she explodes himself/herself killing an innocent crowd.

There is too much hate on both sides and both sides are guilty of hate and killing. Lets be unbiased in our analysis and comments.

I don't think there is anyone on this forum who has excused these Muslim/Arab extremists and terrorists. So sure, I can sit here and condemn them, but I'd be preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, the tribalism allows the Israeli-apologists to excuse what Israel does. 

[bush_cheney2004]

7 minutes ago, marcus said:

I don't think there is anyone on this forum who has excused these Muslim/Arab extremists and terrorists. So sure, I can sit here and condemn them, but I'd be preaching to the choir. Unfortunately, the tribalism allows the Israeli-apologists to excuse what Israel does. 

 

No worries...same tribalism also allows Canadian and American apologists to excuse what those nations do.

[taxme]

On 5/3/2018 at 2:04 PM, Rue said:

Provide your basis for the statement " the Jewish people are not liked by most of the world,".

Easy enough question which I am sure that you will avoid answering again.

 

 

Just like I said? You will not answer that question. Maybe this is why the world despises Judaism and Israel so much. You answer questions with another question. Avoiding will not work for me. 

[taxme]

On 5/3/2018 at 2:07 PM, Rue said:

You and Marcus make a lovely couple. Just sayin. Yogi and Boo Boo. Just sayin.   Of course you both show you take turns as to who is on top or bottom on this thread  right? Just sayin.

Here enjoy and you can get to the bottom on this one:

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/palestinian-leaders-speech-condemned-as-anti-semitic/ar-AAwEUxY?ocid=spartandhp

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Naw, you keep reading it. You like reading that Zionist stuff. Just sayin. 

[taxme]

On 5/3/2018 at 2:20 PM, Rue said:

Your assumption Jews are not liked by most of the world is a projection of your mind. You hate Jews and assume the world does as well. You have no proof, none as to your contention Jews are not liked by most of the world. None. Zero basis. You fabricate. You ask me to accept you fabrication as fact to then answer it. Your fabrication and assumption I must accept that fabrication are illogical. They are also idiotic.

That said you've actually been responded to many times on the board as to why you are an anti semite and why you do not like Jews. You provide fractured syntax, disjointed, fragmented, illogical and nonsensical subjective remarks which manifest your hatred of Jews but when you are asked to provide any objective basis for the hatred behind your anti-Semitism you can't provide any showing your hatred as is the case with any hatred is not based on facts but subjective stereotypes and assumptions.

Quite frankly I don't need to speculate or care what your motives are for hating Jews. Whether its because you may have a small penis, a disease, were unable to sell your art to Jews, etc., I don't care. You and your motives are not germaine to this script.

That said the reason people like you who I believe are a small minority in this world hate Jews has been explained many times but you can't grasp the explanations:

http://www.tabletmag.com/jewish-arts-and-culture/books/143487/academic-anti-semitismer:

What's the matter tax me, too many words.

Lol.

Just sayin

 

 

 

It's always the same old bull chit replies from you. You have this hatred for anyone who dares to question or challenge anything that has to do with Judaism or Israel. So, I will ask you as to where I have ever said that I hate Jews? Quit with the lies and BS. Show me verbatim? Just asking which you and I know already that you will never find anything. 

[taxme]

On 5/3/2018 at 2:22 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

They are disliked more than Arabs and Muslims? I don't think so.

If the world were to be shown many of the inhumane things on the news that the Israeli soldiers are doing to the defenseless Palestinians more often I think that attitude would change. Hey, you never know. 

[taxme]

8 hours ago, dialamah said:

For the same stupid reason Muslims, Arabs, Blacks, Hispanics, Catholics, Chinese etc., are or have been disliked throughout history.  It's because brain-dead humans, such as yourself, believe in their own superiority.  Because too many humans require something or someone to 'hate' in order to be feel good about themselves.  When people such as yourself have become extinct, when humans have rid themselves of the 'my tribe is better than your tribe' mentality, that is when global peace and prosperity will finally have a chance.

Peace will only come when your warmongering tribe are finally put in their place for good. I do not hate anybody. Of course you are quite able to point this out as to where I have ever said that I hate anybody, right? It is just(to use your own rude words)brain dead people like yourself that need to stop believing that they are superior to all other people on earth and are the chosen ones. Your tribe is incapable of showing true love and feelings and compassion towards others unless there is a buck to be made from it. Just saying. 

[taxme]

2 hours ago, Centerpiece said:

This whole Hamas orchestrated fiasco is called the March for the Right of Return. The right of return is simply a euphemism for the elimination of the Jewish State. Forget how the land was lost 70 years ago - and the fact that all the original landowners are dead? Somehow identify all the descendants and give all the land back to them and start the process of Arabs quickly outnumbering Israelis and booting Jews out of their own country. That would of course make perfect sense to any Jew-hater - of which there are plenty. Funny thing is, it's hard to find Palestinian-haters among what you call "Israeli apologists". As I've said many times - accept Israelis/Jews the right to their own state and peace will come - it's really that simple.

Israel will never apologize for anything that they do. All that is done to anyone is always in defense of Israel and if it means shooting kids to do so well so be it. Even if those kids are not doing anything threatening as that video shows. Those Israeli soldiers are nothing more than cowards and murderers and you appear to support their killing of innocent people. What you have not said anytime is that do the Palestinians have a right to their own land and live in peace or not? The Israelis already have plenty of land to live in peace. But it would appear as though there is still more land to be confiscated and that they keep doing all the time. 

[taxme]

1 hour ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I guess it is no worse than when Arab terrorist yelling Allah Akbar just before he or she explodes himself/herself killing an innocent crowd.

There is too much hate on both sides and both sides are guilty of hate and killing. Lets be unbiased in our analysis and comments.

The only reason I can see as to why these scum bag Arabs that bomb people, mow people down with vehicles or commit mass killings in the West is because of our stupid and dumb politically correct politicians who have allowed those killers into their countries. Why is the West bringing in millions of Arabs anyway? What do they have to offer the West? Sand? 

Yes, there is hatred on both sides. But that is the fault of Israel. They are always there trying to get America into most of those Arab countries and then start to create chaos and havoc for those Arabs. It is no wonder that they hate the West and Israel. The West needs to go home and get the hell out of those Arab countries. That way we will have peace. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

58 minutes ago, taxme said:

The only reason I can see as to why these scum bag Arabs that bomb people, mow people down with vehicles or commit mass killings in the West is because of our stupid and dumb politically correct politicians who have allowed those killers into their countries. Why is the West bringing in millions of Arabs anyway? What do they have to offer the West? Sand? 

I was referring to Arabs killing Israeli civilians. It has nothing to do with politicians allowing them into the west. 

Yeah I see that you hate Arabs/muslims more than the jews. Or do you hate anyone who is not Caucasian as long as he is not gay, right? What I don't understand is that WHY you have come in support of the people you hate so much so strongly as shown in all your previous posts (Arabs who are also Musims like Palestinians)!!!!!!!!!!!.

Edited May 5, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[Rue]

20 hours ago, marcus said:

I don't think there is anyone on this forum who has excused these Muslim/Arab extremists and terrorists. So sure, I can sit here and condemn them, but I'd be preaching to the choir.

You do not condemn them. You support them. You have made it clear in past posts you consider Hezbollah, the PA, Hamas, the Iranian government, Assad, all legitimate.

Its why you do not respond to me or certain other posters. We produced the posts where you have and you then  hid from us. I already responded directly to your support of the Iranian regime. Hezbollah, Hamas, the PA and your comments that slur ALL Americans, ALL Jews, all Israelis, ALL people who disagree with you and you ignored those.

For you to come on this board and play lip service as you do to terrorists speaks for itself. You will not and are forbidden from saying anything  negative about Hamas. Hezbollah, Iran, ISIL, on and on.

You do not have the integrity to even acknowledge how Hamas is deliberately orchestrating the latest crap at the border of Gaza.

 

 

 

[Centerpiece]

4 hours ago, Rue said:

You do not have the integrity to even acknowledge how Hamas is deliberately orchestrating the latest crap at the border of Gaza.

 

About Marcus? Couldn't have said it better.....

[taxme]

On 5/4/2018 at 5:11 PM, CITIZEN_2015 said:

I was referring to Arabs killing Israeli civilians. It has nothing to do with politicians allowing them into the west. 

Yeah I see that you hate Arabs/muslims more than the jews. Or do you hate anyone who is not Caucasian as long as he is not gay, right? What I don't understand is that WHY you have come in support of the people you hate so much so strongly as shown in all your previous posts (Arabs who are also Musims like Palestinians)!!!!!!!!!!!.

True. I don't have a pony in this Jew/Arab camel race but when I see something that does not add up I question or challenge it as you should know by now and as you appear to note everything I say here. At most times I do despise Arabs/Jews. They are more of a problem for the Caucasian race than anything else. But I have never said that I hate Jews/Arabs. It is you who continues to say that a lot and others here that I hate Jews and Arabs. And when asked as to where I have actually said that I hate Jews/Arabs verbatim you cannot show me anything. So you lie. I also despise white liberals. 

Edited May 6, 2018 by taxme

[taxme]

On 5/5/2018 at 10:41 AM, Rue said:

You do not condemn them. You support them. You have made it clear in past posts you consider Hezbollah, the PA, Hamas, the Iranian government, Assad, all legitimate.

Its why you do not respond to me or certain other posters. We produced the posts where you have and you then  hid from us. I already responded directly to your support of the Iranian regime. Hezbollah, Hamas, the PA and your comments that slur ALL Americans, ALL Jews, all Israelis, ALL people who disagree with you and you ignored those.

For you to come on this board and play lip service as you do to terrorists speaks for itself. You will not and are forbidden from saying anything  negative about Hamas. Hezbollah, Iran, ISIL, on and on.

You do not have the integrity to even acknowledge how Hamas is deliberately orchestrating the latest crap at the border of Gaza.

 

 

 

Talk about avoidance? When are you going to show me verbatim as to where I have said that I hate Jews? You keep saying this all the time that I hate Jews? So, come on spit it out will you. 

[CITIZEN_2015]

14 minutes ago, taxme said:

 It is you who says that a lot and others here.  So you lie. I also despise white liberals. 

Now you are lying. I never said I hate Arabs/Jews (and you say I say that a lot!!!!!). I have said a few  times that I hate the actions of Arabs in the past (invading other nations and forcing them to accept their backward values, or their brutality and lack of respect for women.....and I have said I hate Israeli army actions against the defenseless women and children but never said I hate Arabs and Jews). I have a very white skin myself likely the whitest around, but I do not believe that white skin is any better than other skins. I believe it is what is under the skin that matters like the size f the heart and brain rather than the skin itself. 

So you also despise whites who are liberals in addition to gays, Jews and Arabs and Muslims and likely blacks too. Then you only like white, conservative, straight, men who also hate others, right? Very nice guy if I may say!!!!!!!!!!

Edited May 6, 2018 by CITIZEN_2015

[taxme]

39 minutes ago, CITIZEN_2015 said:

Now you are lying. I never said I hate Arabs/Jews (and you say I say that a lot!!!!!). I have said a few  times that I hate the actions of Arabs in the past (invading other nations and forcing them to accept their backward values, or their brutality and lack of respect for women.....and I have said I hate Israeli army actions against the defenseless women and children but never said I hate Arabs and Jews). I have a very white skin myself likely the whitest around, but I do not believe that white skin is any better than other skins. I believe it is what is under the skin that matters like the size f the heart and brain rather than the skin itself. 

So you also despise whites who are liberals in addition to gays, Jews and Arabs and Muslims and likely blacks too. Then you only like white, conservative, straight, men who also hate others, right? Very nice guy if I may say!!!!!!!!!!

I never did say that you hate Arabs/Jews. You have taken it out of context. But I went back and straightened it out for you seeing that you did not get the drift to what I had said the first time. We all at times hate the actions of the Arabs and the Jews. But that does not mean that I hate Arabs and Jews. I am proud to be white and at all the great achievements and inventions and creations that we have given to the world. White people are a very inventive, creative and artistic people and there is nothing racist about saying that. Would you call gays anti-straight people for them saying that they are proud to be gay? Would you say that a black or Asian or Jew or native Indian that says that they are proud of their people and their race that they are showing racism towards others for saying that they are proud of who they are? So, I have said that I am proud of my white skin so why is that a problem and racist with people like you? I do not understand your kind of logic? I am proud to say that I am white, conservative and a straight guy. I don't see anything wrong with saying that. And I can despise anyone or anything that I wish too. Shocking, eh? And in this politically correct world that we are forced to all live in now, I am not suppose to be proud of any of those I mentioned above. If you do not like it well too bloody bad for you. Actually, I am a very nice guy.